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mate

Patron Meritorious
The following brief outline may not be strictly correct, but it does highlight the evolution of the Church of Scientology. There can be little doubt that Hubbard did have an extreme aversion to paying taxes, and that adopting the name the Church of Scientology was a solution to this problem.

In the early days of Saint Hill, there can be little doubt that it was more of a research activity into personal development techniques with Hubbard as the leader with a team of very competent researchers. Researchers such as the late Alan Walters, the late John Galusha, our DartSmohen, our RogerB, and many others. The ones just mentioned have (had) continued their research. It was during the ‘60s that I was teaching at the University of NSW in their MBA program, and I do recall clearly that Personal Development was a hot area.

With the threat of deportation from the UK and other threats, Hubbard formed the Sea Project. It wasn’t long after this, that a perceived threat of losing control of the Church of Scientology, lead Hubbard to form the Sea Organisation and the issue of the policy letter KSW#1. This was the start of the Cult, the Church of Scientology. The cult is indeed described in HCOPLs and FOs. The “tech” as we have found, was developed mainly before the Cult was formed, and was adopted by the Cult with Hubbard claiming it was all his own work.

Why am I telling you all of this? Very simply, the FreeZone and all the breakaway groups and individuals, are not scientologists. To be a scientologist one be following all HCOPLs and a member of IAS. The FreeZone and all the breakaway groups and individuals are simply personal development consultants. They are former scientologists or ex-scientologists, they are not trying to handle mankind, they are simply helping the person in front of them.

Am I part of the FreeZone? No, however, if anyone needs help, then I am and have been, available.

There are some ESMB members, who for whatever reason, have decided that the FreeZone is some sort of extension of the the Cult. I am sick of seeing threads being derailed by these obsessive ESMB members.

If someone is a member of the FreeZone, or is getting services from a FreeZone member, that person is not a scientologist. In addition to which, the FreeZone offers those who have come out recently to experience the auditing, they were promised and never got.

We should all be doing what we can to dismantle the Cult, and not attacking allies.

Enough is Enough


David.
 
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There are some ESMB members, who for whatever reason, have decided that the FreeZone is some sort of extension of the the Cult. I am sick of seeing threads being derailed by these obsessive ESMB members.

We should all be doing what we can to dismantle the Cult, and not attacking allies.

Enough is Enough


David.

Well I am one of those who have decided, based on my own thinking, that the Freezone is an extention of the cult.

Scientology technology. Enough is enough.

And I will decide for myself who my allies are.

The Anabaptist Jacques
 

Infinite

Troublesome Internet Fringe Dweller
I get where Mate is coming from. He might actually have a point if the tech did result in "personal development", but it doesn't. Those leaving the cult are best advised to stay as far away from the tech as possible, at least initially. Their best course of action is to approach someone with formal 21st century qualifications in the field of mental health, particularly as it relates to emerging from a cult. If, after a sufficient period of abstinence, a grown adult wants to submit themselves to hypnotic-like trance states so as to draw nearer to some alien nirvana then go for it. There are certainly plenty of more deleterious activities out here in the real world. To go straight from the cult back into an L Ron Hubbard tech environment is a bit like going to an AA meeting where there's a fridge full of lovely, cool beers sitting in the corner of the room.

. . . <snip for brevity> . . . Why am I telling you all of this? Very simply, the FreeZone and all the breakaway groups and individuals, are not scientologists. To be a scientologist one be following all HCOPLs and a member of IAS. The FreeZone and all the breakaway groups and individuals are simply personal development consultants. They are former scientologists or ex-scientologists, they are not trying to handle mankind, they are simply helping the person in front of them . . . <snip> . . .

Yep, spot on. They are NOT Scientologists as per definition. I see that some are attempting to re-invent themselves as "life coaches" or "counsellors" or "personal development consultants" yet still cling to the title Scientologist. Very strange. If they were genuine in their attempts to be of assistance to the person in front of them, they would re-train in a recognised field of therapy and get on with it rather than trying to sneak past their obligations in terms of informed-consent and licensing.
 

uniquemand

Unbeliever
The problem, Mate, is that many if not all FreeZoners do consider themselves to be Scientologists, and represent themselves as such.

I also have a bone to pick with you about your timeline. The Church of Scientology was not founded in 1965 to dodge taxes. It was formed in the early FIFTIES for that purpose. By the time of the SHSBC, it was already ten years into being a Church for tax reasons. Everybody in the Church knew this. It's evident from the articles of the period (read the tech vols). It was for appearances and tax functionality alone. Didn't start in the mid-60's.
 

Infinite

Troublesome Internet Fringe Dweller
The problem, Mate, is that many if not all FreeZoners do consider themselves to be Scientologists, and represent themselves as such.

I also have a bone to pick with you about your timeline. The Church of Scientology was not founded in 1965 to dodge taxes. It was formed in the early FIFTIES for that purpose. By the time of the SHSBC, it was already ten years into being a Church for tax reasons. Everybody in the Church knew this. It's evident from the articles of the period (read the tech vols). It was for appearances and tax functionality alone. Didn't start in the mid-60's.

Appearances and tax functionality were certainly important, but they were not the only reasons. Another reason was that by masquerading as a religion, Scientology was able to continue the claim that it was therapeutic without having to provide evidence. Auditors everywhere were able to put up their shingle and compete with professionals in the mental health field without having to deal with training and licensing requirements. Any Joe Bloggs could do it - indeed, that was the raison d'être of Dianetics.
 

uniquemand

Unbeliever
Well, while I agree with your point, I would also like to point out that most psychotherapy has also not been proven to do anything for you. :) Licensed professionals or not.
 

freet43

Patron with Honors
Nice post, Mate and to Infinite:

I see that some are attempting to re-invent themselves as "life coaches" or "counsellors" or "personal development consultants" yet still cling to the title Scientologist. Very strange. If they were genuine in their attempts to be of assistance to the person in front of them, they would re-train in a recognised field of therapy and get on with it rather than trying to sneak past their obligations in terms of informed-consent and licensing.

Are you not aware that many such freezoners and independents ARE trained in a so-called recognized field of therapy and then decided to be auditors instead?

Back in the 70s, many of those that were on staff with me had PhDs in psychology or sociology or philosophy.

In fact, it was a group of professors, postdocs and grad students that started the mission I was in.

Our mission holder had a good friend, Sarge Gerbode, who was an MD Psychiatrist, who found Scientology techniques much more workable than anything the mainstream psychs used. Sarge started his own mission, then left around the time of the infamous mission holders conference. He developed TIR and Metapscyhology - both simply rewritten Dianetics and Scientology.

Another friend, and highly trained auditor, who runs the Midwest Tech Center, has a PhD in Psychology and was a university professor in Psychology when he found Scientology.

These are just a couple from the many examples I know of, of those that were trained in and left mainstream psychology and psychiatry to practice Scn. techniques....

Marina
 

Infinite

Troublesome Internet Fringe Dweller
Are you not aware that many such freezoners and independents ARE trained in a so-called recognized field of therapy and then decided to be auditors instead?

Back in the 70s, many of those that were on staff with me had PhDs in psychology or sociology or philosophy.

In fact, it was a group of professors, postdocs and grad students that started the mission I was in.

Our mission holder had a good friend, Sarge Gerbode, who was an MD Psychiatrist, who found Scientology techniques much more workable than anything the mainstream psychs used. Sarge started his own mission, then left around the time of the infamous mission holders conference. He developed TIR and Metapscyhology - both simply rewritten Dianetics and Scientology.

Another friend, and highly trained auditor, who runs the Midwest Tech Center, has a PhD in Psychology and was a university professor in Psychology when he found Scientology.

These are just a couple from the many examples I know of, of those that were trained in and left mainstream psychology and psychiatry to practice Scn. techniques....

Marina

That's frightening!! Got DOX? Who is currently running the MidWest Tech Centre? Which mission did these professors, post-doctorate scholars and graduate students start? I'll have to double-check for myself before eating any crow.
 
Are you not aware that many such freezoners and independents ARE trained in a so-called recognized field of therapy and then decided to be auditors instead?

Back in the 70s, many of those that were on staff with me had PhDs in psychology or sociology or philosophy.

In fact, it was a group of professors, postdocs and grad students that started the mission I was in.

Our mission holder had a good friend, Sarge Gerbode, who was an MD Psychiatrist, who found Scientology techniques much more workable than anything the mainstream psychs used. Sarge started his own mission, then left around the time of the infamous mission holders conference. He developed TIR and Metapscyhology - both simply rewritten Dianetics and Scientology.

Another friend, and highly trained auditor, who runs the Midwest Tech Center, has a PhD in Psychology and was a university professor in Psychology when he found Scientology.

These are just a couple from the many examples I know of, of those that were trained in and left mainstream psychology and psychiatry to practice Scn. techniques....

Marina

Bullshit. :roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:

The Anabaptist Jacques
 

uniquemand

Unbeliever
As far as I know, there was only ever ONE psychiatrist who was a member and a trained auditor. There may have been several psychologists or social workers, but I doubt there were MANY.

I still think, BTW, that many mental health workers could benefit by drilling TRs 0-4 and from learning to operate "muzzled".
 

freet43

Patron with Honors
what's frightening?

That's frightening!! Got DOX? Who is currently running the MidWest Tech Centre? Which mission did these professors, post-doctorate scholars and graduate students start? I'll have to double-check for myself before eating any crow.

Read this thread http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=1913

That was not my mission, but there is info about psychiatrist Sarge Gerbode and links to his TIR and metapshychology current site noted....

You can contact the midwest tech center here

http://community.freezone-tech.info/mwtc/

Another active auditor is Rey Robles

http://community.freezone-tech.info/members/rey-robles/

Rey has been auditing over 40 years - more than 20 in the Freezone, and he has degrees in Psychology and Sociology - the Church even has a smear website about him being a "psych"

Search on Robert Vaughn Young, MS Philosophy, for much information about my mission and the names and degrees of many of the original COSMOD staff....there is a LOT on the internet about Vaughn, RIP...

The Delphian Academy in Oregon was started by our mission holder.

See information here about the history of Delphi, and the first headmaster, who came from COSMOD, Alan Larson, PhD Mathematics.

http://delphisantaclara.org/abo_our_history.html

Note the Delphi schools are still thriving.

Marina
 
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uniquemand

Unbeliever
Read this thread http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=1913

That was not my mission, but there is info about psychiatrist Sarge Gerbode and links to his TIR and metapshychology current site noted....

You can contact the midwest tech center here

http://community.freezone-tech.info/mwtc/

Another active auditor is Rey Robles

http://community.freezone-tech.info/members/rey-robles/

Rey has been auditing over 40 years - more than 20 in the Freezone, and he has degrees in Psychology and Sociology - the Church even has a smear website about him being a "psych"

Search on Robert Vaughn Young, MS Philosophy, for much information about my mission and the names and degrees of many of the original COSMOD staff....there is a LOT on the internet about Vaughn, RIP...

The Delphian Academy in Oregon was started by our mission holder.

See information here about the history of Delphi, and the first headmaster, who came from COSMOD, Alan Larson, PhD Mathematics.

http://delphisantaclara.org/abo_our_history.html

Note the Delphi schools are still thriving.

Marina

Gerbode (the psychiatrist in question) hasn't been a scientologist since about 1986 or earlier.
 

RogerB

Crusader
Yes . . . check out Colin Mills, an SHSBC grad, did Knowledgism and now in the UK with practicing these techs with formal "real world" quals.

William Tutman, though still in the church, is a PhD in education among other things . . . he'll be easy to find. He had a radio show in the DC area on everyday psychology tricks for a happy life.

TAJ's "bull-shitting" of Marina is the actual bullshit on the thread.

In NYC we had a Dr. Danial Khun (this from memory of the phonetics of his name, spelling may be off) he was an MD . . . died a few years back

But the cases Marina cites is actually very well known to ex-$cn . . . Dox not needed . . . it is well known memory of personal experience and contact. All was well written up in the old Free Spirit Magazine run by Hank Levin . . . hell there's another. He's got mainstream quals.

And there's the case of Yuriy Titarenko . . . he's in the Ukraine. I actually got him into Kn . . . he's former Cof$ auditor. He's been to the ranch, and has such suitable real world quals as to have had his practice in Kiev certified and approved by the government.

Take the fact of related personal experience and memory of not. But it's rude to infer such is "bullshit."

R
 

RogerB

Crusader
Gerbode (the psychiatrist in question) hasn't been a scientologist since about 1986 or earlier.

Of course not . . . nor are me or thee. That's not the point Marina is making.

The point is that $cn and former $cn who set up practices in the "field" away from the Cof$ are holders of suitable real world qualifications.

R
 
Yes . . . check out Colin Mills, an SHSBC grad, did Knowledgism and now in the UK with practicing these techs with formal "real world" quals.

William Tutman, though still in the church, is a PhD in education among other things . . . he'll be easy to find. He had a radio show in the DC area on everyday psychology tricks for a happy life.

TAJ's "bull-shitting" of Marina is the actual bullshit on the thread.

In NYC we had a Dr. Danial Khun (this from memory of the phonetics of his name, spelling may be off) he was an MD . . . died a few years back

But the cases Marina cites is actually very well known to ex-$cn . . . Dox not needed . . . it is well known memory of personal experience and contact. All was well written up in the old Free Spirit Magazine run by Hank Levin . . . hell there's another. He's got mainstream quals.

And there's the case of Yuriy Titarenko . . . he's in the Ukraine. I actually got him into Kn . . . he's former Cof$ auditor. He's been to the ranch, and has such suitable real world quals as to have had his practice in Kiev certified and approved by the government.

Take the fact of related personal experience and memory of not. But it's rude to infer such is "bullshit."

R

What is hypocritical is, if I remember correctly, that you have once or twice implied how worthless higher education is on other threads.

So perhaps I should expand my earlier statement:

Bullshit :roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:
:roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:

The Anabaptist Jacques
 

RogerB

Crusader
What is hypocritical is, if I remember correctly, that you have once or twice implied how worthless higher education is on other threads.

So perhaps I should expand my earlier statement:

Bullshit :roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:
:roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:

The Anabaptist Jacques

No Taj, not the generality of higher education . . . but specifically the superficial and bent version you are so proud of . . . go back to the thread where you were shouting folks down and calling them morons and earned yourself an infraction from the mods for it.

You were asserting all and perfect knowledge on the issue of the "Russian Revolution" based on your American Uni education and the know-it-all American (socialist, no doubt) Uni professors who taught you with all of the "50 books" you've read on the subject . . . yet, when I offered you one reference to a very key person of personal knowledge of those events . . . you refused it and only shouted it down.

You as usual here are distorting that facts with one-liners.

And as to your false accusation of my implying higher education is worthless . . . if you had followed the ESMB traffic, you'd have learned that since I left the Cof$ I in fact qualified for certification with the International Society for Performance Improvement as a CPT. And while in the UK was a fellow of the British Institute of Management for a period.

So you are way off with your shouting.

R
 
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