Epic London Protest 15/11/08

Sharone Stainforth

Silver Meritorious Patron
The weather held out for us and there were about 40/50 anons present.

Handed out lots of flyers, the most popular one being the one about "The Complex" book and the difficulty of being able to obtain a copy in England due to "legal reasons"

The anons as usual put on a fantastic display of chants, singing and costumes.
Red caped masked crusaders were out in force with Shields and spears. You guys really ROCK with your inventiveness.Not sure some of the older ones understand but the point is your drive and enthusiasm attracts attention and at one point there was a large audience, which in turn brings people over to ask for flyers.Fantastic job Anonymous.

There was a guy on the opposite side of TCR to the right of $cientology and Dianetics center who also entertained both the public and the annons with his dancing and mime,with great cheers and amusement had by all.

Spoke to lots of lovely people yet again and also heard a few more stories of $cientology encounters. One lady who was a foreigner and at the time didn't speak very good English got lured in to work for them, she always thought it a bit strange because the $cientologist always paid her directly out of his pocket.

When they tried to get her boyfriend in and he wasn't interested, they started putting a lot of pressure on her and she left.They still hassled her by phone and tried to get her back, but she was having none of it. Good for her.

I was informed by a gentleman who had been at a recent Tory party conference that the $cientologists had a stand at the conference.And of course anyone with enough money can have a stand, but we are talking here the main parties that run for government of this country,they are either directly or indirectly supporting an organization that is extremely harmful to the general public.

A group of young people wanted to learn all about why we were protesting and wanted to join the protests, I explained that once they had read up and if they still wanted to join the demonstrations that they really should wear a mask.I have a feeling we will be seeing them in the future.

Another group of young people were telling me how they had gone in and had a free stress test, I never did find out the results of their tests as a Freezoner came and started telling them how if they wanted to do $cientology outside of the "church" they could.I don't think these people wanted to do $cientology, period.If they do thats up to them.

Touting for the Freezone at Protests AGAINST $cientology is giving mixed messages, at the end of the day the "tech" was devised by the right honorable L. Ron Hubbard who was a liar, a cheat,a conman, a man who wanted to clear the planet of life as we know it and replace it with his own version of Science Fiction which included putting young children in the ships chain locker, locking people up against their will and destroying peoples minds and DESTROYING families and their relationships.
So WHY ARE THEY DEAD? and This IS WHY WE PROTEST.

A great protest, the London anons really, really ROCK.

Was going to join the OG for drinks after but sorry guys didn't make it, got whisked along to a brilliant Goth pub and then ended up in a dungeon rickrolling to you've guessed it,Never gonna give you up.

Had a wonderful time THANK YOU Anons.The directions to the station were spot on, sadly missed my train by 1 minute and had an hours wait till the next one. Gave me time for reflection, slept all the way home.

Until the next time, Thank YOU ALL for all your support and good wishes from both anons and members of the public and also a Thank you to the Police who do a great job.
 

Pixie

Crusader
Great post Tamasin as always and it sounds like the word is getting out more and more as each protest occurs however I do agree that touting the freezerzone at a protest is ludicrous and disgusting in the extreme. What the hell is that all about? They are supposed to be protesting the 'CULT' and it's so called 'TECH' so why are they there letting people think that lron knew what he was talking about. If he wanted all men his slaves and admitted this and was involved in all the scams and lies and brainwashing techniques why are they there telling people that 'auditing' is ok? That's just nuts and I don't know if I could personaly stand by and witness that without... :catfight: :faceslap: :storm: :argue: :pullhair: :angry:
 

Sharone Stainforth

Silver Meritorious Patron
Great post Tamasin as always and it sounds like the word is getting out more and more as each protest occurs however I do agree that touting the freezerzone at a protest is ludicrous and disgusting in the extreme. What the hell is that all about? They are supposed to be protesting the 'CULT' and it's so called 'TECH' so why are they there letting people think that lron knew what he was talking about. If he wanted all men his slaves and admitted this and was involved in all the scams and lies and brainwashing techniques why are they there telling people that 'auditing' is ok? That's just nuts and I don't know if I could personaly stand by and witness that without...


Sometimes it is best to turn the other cheek,even if it be only temporarily.It would not be good to be seen brawling in public behind the picket line. I said I had time to reflect and reflect I did. My new picket sign will express my sentiments about the great Lron exactly.
 

Tim Skog

Silver Meritorious Patron
Thanks Tamasin for the great report. The freezoner was definitely out of line. It was a protest not a recruitment drive; very inappropriate.

And Rock on anonymous!:party:
 

Terril park

Sponsor
Another group of young people were telling me how they had gone in and had a free stress test, I never did find out the results of their tests as a Freezoner came and started telling them how if they wanted to do $cientology outside of the "church" they could.I don't think these people wanted to do $cientology, period.If they do thats up to them.

Touting for the Freezone at Protests AGAINST $cientology is giving mixed messages, at the end of the day the "tech" was devised by the right honorable L. Ron Hubbard who was a liar, a cheat,a conman, a man who wanted to clear the planet of life as we know it and replace it with his own version of Science Fiction which included putting young children in the ships chain locker, locking people up against their will and destroying peoples minds and DESTROYING families and their relationships.
So WHY ARE THEY DEAD? and This IS WHY WE PROTEST.

A great protest, the London anons really, really ROCK.

Was going to join the OG for drinks after but sorry guys didn't make it, got whisked along to a brilliant Goth pub and then ended up in a dungeon rickrolling to you've guessed it,Never gonna give you up.

She did tell of her results, the usual make wrong crap.

Its no secret we have different views. I don't protest the tech. Like you
I protest the abuses, and even held up your picket sign for a while. :)

I protest my way as the song goes.

One further point of interest is that the protests in Tottenham court Rd, anyway are becoming something of a tourist attraction. Lots of videoing and photoing and questions.

Sounds like you had more fun with the after protest socialising. :)
 

xseaorguk

Patron Meritorious
protest in London and Freezoners

I was at the London protest on Sat. too and found the atmosphere very special. Its true I noticed more people than usual actually stopped opposite us and stayed observing what we were doing, many of them smiling and cheering us on as we did the 'time warp' and other dances.
The music I found this time really good, and not 2 or 3 people trying to play their favourite music at the same time, which just doesnt work.
There seemd to be loads of people taking photos of us too and I gave a few interviews to interested people, one guy said he was from a newspaper and had seen us there before.
It seems the more often we protest, the more people know what we are doing, even the car drivers passing by and bus drivers honked their horns.
The Anons with their red capes and shields looked really great, as it gives the whole thing a sort of party atmospere, and shows them how much humour we have and fun for life.
Yes, and I saw some young people just come in and have some cake and join in the fun.

Concerning the Freezoners I also admit I find it weird, while at the same time feeling we should be tolerant.
In spite of that I do agree with Tasmin that the 'Tech' used by the Freezoners was still developed by the conman-shizophrenic-paranoid Elron, so I dont get it.

There are no OT's or clears with special powers Terril, and if there are I would be glad to get to know some in the Freezone.
I dont want to get invalidative of specific people, but thats what it was always alll about in $cn.
Youre not allowed in invalidate somebody elses wins.
You can go exterior?
You are Cause over matter energy space and time?
You have total recall?
OK, then show me!
I'll go into one room and hold up a card, then you go into the next room and close the door and you go exterior and tell me which card I'm holding up.
Or some other simple way of proving the socalled 'abilities' gained from this 'tech'.
Sorry Terril, as you seem like a nice guy.

Hope it was ok to say that here, as I dont want to break the rules of the board here.
 

Sharone Stainforth

Silver Meritorious Patron
She did tell of her results, the usual make wrong crap.

Its no secret we have different views. I don't protest the tech. Like you
I protest the abuses, and even held up your picket sign for a while.

I protest my way as the song goes.

One further point of interest is that the protests in Tottenham court Rd, anyway are becoming something of a tourist attraction. Lots of videoing and photoing and questions.

Sounds like you had more fun with the after protest socialising.


She may have told you her results, I didn't stick around because I could not believe what I was hearing.I didn't want to cause a scene. I was very pissed off,YOU did hold my picket sign and not for the first time but holding a picket sign and telling me you are against the abuses are totally different to actually protesting the abuses.

I don't want to cause a scene now, I am not that kind of person, but promoting the Freezone whilst we are protesting the abuses and just because YOU may not of personally witnessed them doesn't mean they don't exist. They did and still do. I believe 100% the stories I have read about what ex$cientologists have gone through because it relates so much to my own experience, thats why I can relate so much to the public on the street, they tell me of their experiences inside the so called bloody "church" of $cientology and all it does is emphasize my own experience.

Do not smile at me, I am NOT impressed.I am starting to think Terril that YOU might be my internet stalker. Well are YOU?

As for having more fun after the protest. I DO NOT ATTEND PROTESTS TO HAVE FUN. I attend protests to get a very urgent message out, that URGENT message happens to be that $cientology IS an extremely DANGEROUS organization and NOT just a whacky alien cult. If I happen to have fun whilst protesting then thats because anons know how totally mind fucked it can be without an element of fun.If I have fun after or during for that matter, what business is that of yours?

Because of the nature of the subject matter as I have found to my own peril,It can and does cause a lot of upset.Have YOU ever been locked in a hold of a ship Terril and forced to work whilst a young child?Deprived of your family and made to feel you were the most degraded being on earth ? Well have you?$cientology DID that to me and to a whole load of other people.

Who are YOU trying to make wrong, ME?

If YOU turn up at future protests, I will have you on ignore.

YOU support L. Ron Hubbards "tech" and after what he and his god damned "tech" have done to good people, I refuse to have anything to do with supporters of the "tech" or anything to do with L. Ron Hubbard.

There IS NOTHING of value in $cientology, there never was and there never will be.
 

Sharone Stainforth

Silver Meritorious Patron
Concerning the Freezoners I also admit I find it weird, while at the same time feeling we should be tolerant.

I have tried being tolerant, even though I don't approve.And I have NO personal grievance against Terril, he does come across as a nice person, but I cannot condone touting for L. Ron Hubbards "tech" and that is what happened.

After what happened to me and other persons I knew back in the day, I cannot and will not tolerate support of a man, yes a man, NOT a messiah, who blatantly ruined peoples lives without any remorse for what he did.David Miscavidge continues to have total disregard for wrecking the lives of people in the same stance as Hubbard. Its a money making racket and some people are just bloody greedy.
 

Feral

Rogue male
My two cents

While I can see the wild variation of PASSIONATE opinion and I fully understand the reasoning of both viewpoints, can I still call for tolerance and cooperation?

I see having the FZ presence here and at the protests as extremely valuable it gives scios who are fed up with the abuses in the church another way to achieve the all important 'total freedom'. It may be the deal closer when it comes to the crunch with the church.

Many will never take that route when they find the whole story, but some will and that is their right, as it is Terrils right to practice his faith. Scientology lite.

I also totally understand why Pixie and Tam feel the way they do.

I guess I sit right in the middle of your opposing views and find a lot of value in what you all have to say. Even though I will never go to the FZ and I am personally enjoying my freedom to Pursue Echart Tolle and Abraham Hicks.

Just letting you know Terril!:yes:
 

Once bitten

Patron Meritorious
While I can see the wild variation of PASSIONATE opinion and I fully understand the reasoning of both viewpoints, can I still call for tolerance and cooperation?

I see having the FZ presence here and at the protests as extremely valuable it gives scios who are fed up with the abuses in the church another way to achieve the all important 'total freedom'. It may be the deal closer when it comes to the crunch with the church.

Many will never take that route when they find the whole story, but some will and that is their right, as it is Terrils right to practice his faith. Scientology lite.

I also totally understand why Pixie and Tam feel the way they do.

I guess I sit right in the middle of your opposing views and find a lot of value in what you all have to say. Even though I will never go to the FZ and I am personally enjoying my freedom to Pursue Echart Tolle and Abraham Hicks.

Just letting you know Terril!:yes:

Yeah. Good posting Feral. THe FZ in my opinion is like a half-way house for scns. Some scns need to spend some time realising that there is on OT, no clear, and that may take a little time. That's what the FZ is for I reckon. I realised immediately though, and never dabbled as I couldn't get far enough away from everything lrh.
 

Dulloldfart

Squirrel Extraordinaire
THe FZ in my opinion is like a half-way house for scns. Some scns need to spend some time realising that there is on OT, no clear, and that may take a little time. That's what the FZ is for I reckon.

They may find there is no Clear, no OT, no Xenu, no body thetans, no total freedom etc. etc. But they can still have sessions that discharge all kinds of stressful crap that appears to never come back (I've had stuff that's gone for 35 years so far, but I can't say "forever" as forever hasn't occurred yet). It's not all black and white.

Paul
 

Zinjifar

Silver Meritorious Sponsor
If it turns out that there's an 'ever dwindling spiral' for which Scientology is the only salvation, then, Scientology is justified. All of Scientology is justified. Including all of the fraud, extortion, subversion, deception, abuse, and simple nastiness that is the essense of 'applied Scientology' per Ron.

If not; then not.

Zinj
 

Woggin' out

Patron with Honors
They may find there is no Clear, no OT, no Xenu, no body thetans, no total freedom etc. etc. But they can still have sessions that discharge all kinds of stressful crap that appears to never come back (I've had stuff that's gone for 35 years so far, but I can't say "forever" as forever hasn't occurred yet). It's not all black and white.

Paul

I understand what you are saying DOF. I don't have the OT powers I was hoping for but I did handle a couple of things. But trying to keep things within the camp of either black or white isn't always the best course of action either. Sometimes there are so many shades of gray to consider and explore.
 
It seems very clear to me where "the line" is that was crossed by fz - according to Tamasin's report.

Touting for fz at the pickets/protests.

That is not difficult to understand, The protests are about the destructiveness of the cult and many people have suffered. That is why they are protesting. It is not about whether people believe in the "tech" or not per se.

Don't confuse issues.
It is not rocket science. Do the touting somewhere else.
 

Terril park

Sponsor
It seems very clear to me where "the line" is that was crossed by fz - according to Tamasin's report.

Touting for fz at the pickets/protests.

That is not difficult to understand, The protests are about the destructiveness of the cult and many people have suffered. That is why they are protesting. It is not about whether people believe in the "tech" or not per se.

Don't confuse issues.
It is not rocket science. Do the touting somewhere else.

When in the COS they were wont to tell me what books not to read, what books to read. What people to talk to, who not to talk to. What to talk about what not to talk about.

When to protest and where and how.

I'm astonished that I get more of the same here on ESMB!

That a practicing scientologist protests the COS abuses sends a certain message don't you think?

I'll protest when and where I want, talk to who I want about what I
want!
 
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