Smurf
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We're practicing mindfulness with regard to feelings and sensations, Vinnie.
ESMB is reduced to a Gossip Rag
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We're practicing mindfulness with regard to feelings and sensations, Vinnie.
Vinaire
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Vinaire
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Like the Church of Scientology, ESMB is fixated on figuring out the intentions of people. It focuses on the participant rather on the subject of discussion. So, it cannot observe.
Discussions and what needs to be avoided
I guess ESMB won't be what it is, if it could observe.
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Discussions and what needs to be avoided
I guess ESMB won't be what it is, if it could observe.
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Smilla
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uniquemand
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ESMB, as an entity, is a message board hosted on a server. It doesn't do anything other than transmit and receive messages and organize them.
Some of it's users have that penchant, but I think it's ridiculous to assert that all do. For instance, I am here to converse with people, and I take them at face value.
Vinaire
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Sorry, uniquemand, you are not ESMB. I am looking at the personality of this group ESMB as a whole... a sort of weighted average. It has nothing to do with any individual member or any head of the group, like Miscavige with regard to the Church of Scientology.
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Mark A. Baker
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A non-existent phenomenon to which your weighting gives an imaginary substance.
There is a community here. Some individuals engage in that type of behavior which you decry. That behavior is not legitimately attributable to the board as a whole or its entire membership. That's the sort of categorization that Rathbun & the church use to dead agent their critics.
It falls in the realm of mock-up processing.
1. Create an enemy
2, Attack it
Mark A. Baker
Vinaire
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Vinaire
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A non-existent phenomenon to which your weighting gives an imaginary substance.
There is a community here. Some individuals engage in that type of behavior which you decry. That behavior is not legitimately attributable to the board as a whole or its entire membership. That's the sort of categorization that Rathbun & the church use to dead agent their critics.
It falls in the realm of mock-up processing.
1. Create an enemy
2, Attack it
Mark A. Baker
Well, look at Islam... what kind of impression people have of it just because of a small percentage of it who engage in violent behavior. Because the majority of other Muslims don't curb them, they also get implicated.
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Lone Star
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A non-existent phenomenon to which your weighting gives an imaginary substance.
There is a community here. Some individuals engage in that type of behavior which you decry. That behavior is not legitimately attributable to the board as a whole or its entire membership. That's the sort of categorization that Rathbun & the church use to dead agent their critics.
It falls in the realm of mock-up processing.
1. Create an enemy
2, Attack it
Mark A. Baker
To quote Bill Murray in Caddy Shack...."It's in the hole....It's in the hole!"
Or, if you prefer Baseball.....He knocked it outta the park!
Yes!!!
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Mark A. Baker
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The only thing genuinely implicated are the idiots who attack that which they don't actually understand.
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Smilla
Ordinary Human
Lol.
Mythbluster
Patron
Really? Conparing these boards to cof$?!
Why stop there? Esmb is as bad as the nazi party! (imo THIS type of statement reminds of a certain cults tactics!) Practice what you preach! I just took time to read that linked info. You state a main distraction from proper discussion is:
"Not providing clarification of one’s viewpoint in a disagreement, instead calling the other person wrong.
In any disagreement effort should be made to clarify one’s viewpoint as much as possible. Not doing so, and simply saying that the other person is wrong, does not resolve anything. It only produces distraction."
Where is the clarification of your initial gossip rag accusation? Or why you think your "tech" works?
And although you say the issue and not the individual should be the focus you exclude a large section of the population from being viable for involvement on a "real" discussion:
"But such people, who believe that god is literally a person, would not like to discuss this inconsistency. They would simply insist that their viewpoint is right. They would reject others who think differently."
You see what I did there? I focused on the content of your assertion not your personality.
Mark A. Baker
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H*rs+sh!t, V. There may be plenty of intolerance exhibited by numerous individuals on the board, but the board moderators are remarkably tolerant of all forms of criticism. The board is one which invites public responses. Not everyone is going to welcome your ideas as a revelation of truth.
You are clearly just p!ssed off because your own ideas don't receive the respect & regard for which you had hoped. Get over yourself. Some of your posts are good ones. Some of them are silly, some have been vicious attacks on other posters.
I'm not thrilled with the personal attacks that occur on the board, but it certainly isn't the entire board that is responsible. Nor are the moderators deaf to abuses of posting privilege. Free speech means tolerating a lot of speech you don't like.
Don't blame the board. Try KHTK on why you feel individually persecuted.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RCuXVlONKU
Mark A. Baker
If you want to judge the whole on the few then you are no better than the people you are criticising. Anyway, most people I know understand there are extremists in every religion and to judge the religion based on the extremists is incorrect.
No Vin, it's you who won't stand for criticism.
You talk of "looking" and "knowing" etc, yet you cannot take a good hard look at yourself and work out why you are not being heard in the way you think you sound. You have become quite obnoxious but blame the increasing ridicule you are receiving on "everyone else" being like Scientology or Islam. It's ugly, & sad to watch.
Lone Star
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Overall I've been amused at Vinaire's musings and "observations" expressed on this thread. But it does piss me off when he infers that ESMB is like the CoS or Islam.
Let me tell you something Vinny...Many people have expressed how ESMB has been instrumental in helping them to recover and move on from their CoS experience. Now you can call it a gossip rag, or no better than radical Islam or the CoS, but I am not aware of one person who has claimed that your KHTK program, philosophy, religion, or whatever has helped them as much as this forum has helped many. Perhaps this is the reason for your attitude toward ESMB?
Let me tell you something Vinny...Many people have expressed how ESMB has been instrumental in helping them to recover and move on from their CoS experience. Now you can call it a gossip rag, or no better than radical Islam or the CoS, but I am not aware of one person who has claimed that your KHTK program, philosophy, religion, or whatever has helped them as much as this forum has helped many. Perhaps this is the reason for your attitude toward ESMB?
Ogsonofgroo
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And how's that goin' fer ya Vin? With all due respect it sounds rather a fool's mission and leads ya to some pretty abstract generalizations (having lurked this thread through I figure that's an informed opinion).
Though it may be an easy assertion to consider a forum as the sum of its parts, it isn't such an easy thing to do when you consider the sheer numbers and diversity of the folks here~ it is not the same thing if you go to a neo-nazi site, or a rappers forum, or how to do car mechanics etc. etc. where the thread structure is geared (basicly) towards a single subject, no, here you have ex's, critics, students, the morbidly curious, media, and a whole slew of others and sharing their thoughts and ideas, pains and tribulations.
You do this board a disservice by trying to lump everyone in some sort of catagory, a very culty mind-set imho that is not only disingenuous but lacks the sort of wisdom you so often proclaim.
An anology, hm, its like taking apples, oranges, chili-peppers, cinnimon, garlic, garden dirt, nuts, and raisins, then blending it up and trying to describe the 'flavour' to a gerbil or someone without a tongue. Pointless and inane in my honest opinion, and a fine example of what happens to people trapped inside their own egos so far that they cannot stop the devisive natter within their own minds long enough to learn to live with the fact that we're all just human beings with many quirks and follies and foibles, and a tree grows in Brookland.
Keep up with the Buddhism thingy, yeh it can take some time, but when you swat at your next mosquito and hear a clap, you might be nearing an awakening cross-roads, if you have to think real hard about your next direction, then ya might want to head back to the quiet tree by the river again.Good luck in your searchings.
Short thought~over~
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