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EX GO member posts that Scientology was connected to Zodiac Killings!!

How is it that I have never read this before? :confused2: Too young? Avoidance? :thumbsup:
From: http://www.whale.to/b/sc.html

Hollywood, Satanism, Scientology and Suicide

"SECRECY

Scientology's obsession with secrecy has developed for a purpose. It has been deliberately designed to hide its abuses, casualties and its real purposes and nature.


Less that 2% of the individuals within Scientology have ever seen the inner secret initiations and information of this story. Significant parts of this story have never been seen before in any form. Scientology members who have been exposed to Hubbard's secret writings are required to sign nondisclosure agreements for the rest of their lives. To attempt to enforce secrecy Scientology has even registered Hubbard's secrets as its "trade secrets".

This story is the result of decades years of research from the work of many different researchers and sources. Often in unexpected ways, the style and structure of this story will seem to suddenly twist and turn as it tries to unveil the convoluted secret Scientology and the layers of deception and misinformation used to hide it secrets from uninitiated outside eyes and ears. In discovering the secret Scientology for yourself keep in mind that the overall context of Scientology and its actual actions IS as important as specific initiation details."

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Ah...another yummy mystery sammich! :thumbsup: :biggrin:
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"RECENT SCIENTOLOGY RAIDS AND THIS STORY

To crush the free speech of its Internet critics and bar the free religious expression of its former members from publishing, using and distributing information on the matters contained in this story Scientology has recently conducted a series of outrageous, highly publicized "copyright infringement" seizure raids all over the world. In these raids Scientology itself (not the government) was able to directly seize private property and records concerning the secret Scientology initiations from numerous individual homes and a non profit library and archive. And it was able to do this without legal "due process" and under falsely sworn affidavits.

Part of Scientology's real reasons for these raids was not the alleged "copyright" infringement, but to prevent and limit the public exposure and debate on Scientology's most secret initiations and the member casualties surrounding the secret initiation processes. (At last review there are over 100 regularly changing locations on the Internet where you can review these secret initiations and enter into this heated free speech and religious freedom dialog. Appendix 1 will help you find them. They are contained in what is commonly called the "Fishman affidavit" or "Fishman Geertz documents.")

At the very center of these "Fishman affidavit" copyright infringement raids is a super secret, (highly disavowed by Scientology) document called OT 8. In the OT 8 document which defectors claim to be authored by Scientology's deceased founder, L Ron Hubbard, the highest initiates of Scientology are instructed by Hubbard that Hubbard really is Lucifer the Antichrist.

In this document Hubbard goes on to declare to Scientology's highest initiates that Lucifer has really been unfairly maligned by Christian churches and it is really Christ who is the evil and Lucifer who is good. Hubbard then goes on to say that Christ was really a pedophile and child molester and that Hubbard will soon return to human form from the afterlife as a powerful politician to lead the world into a new era.

Commenting to the media after the raids, Warren L. McShane, President of the Religious Technology Center, the Keeper of Hubbard's copyrights and trade secrets, reiterated the necessity of keeping Hubbard's secrets away from the minds of the uninitiated: "McShane said the church had every right to aggressively protect its text. And, he said, certain advanced texts could "do harm" if studied by people not yet deemed ready for them by church officials.

"It's like jumping in an 18-wheeler and not knowing how to drive," McShane said, adding, "Spiritually, a person has to be ready for it." McShane was reflecting Scientology's internal views on these secret materials. In the actual secret materials themselves initiates are warned that premature exposure to the secrets will cause the individual to die, get very sick or go insane.

The authenticity of the OT 8 document which discloses Scientology's satanic nature, and information about how so many celebrities and politicians have become involved in promoting this group has become a stormy and ongoing discussion involving tens of thousands of people on and off the Internet. This allegorical story will do much to help stimulate the reader to independently evaluate the authenticity of the OT 8 document, the claims that Scientology is the world's largest secret satanic society and understand how Hollywood's biggest names got involved and could be promoting this organization."

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Yeah, yeah...more Scientology is really Satanism stuff...old news to me, and plenty of others.

Wait, what's this?
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"Did Marcia Clark lie to the media during the O.J. Simpson trial by saying she wasn't a Scientologist. You don't marry someone in Scientology's intelligence division unless you are a security cleared Scientologist. Her husband is one of the heads of the Citizens' Commission on Human Rights (CCHR) which is one of the intelligence division's main front groups attacking psychiatry.

The Michael Jackson Scientology recruiting story is intriguing. Celebrities who bring in other BIG celebrities (like Mimi Rogers who brought in Tom Cruise) are treated even more royally inside the organization.

The speedy Lisa Marie Presley Michael Jackson marriage fits the classic profile of Scientology celebrity recruiting and in some ways is similar to the conveniently fast Travolta Marriage.

Michael Jackson was a highly vulnerable target. He had just come out of a drug rehabilitation program, went through child molesting charges, and his career was slumping. Lisa Marie reportedly chased him and wouldn't take no for an answer.

Michael Jackson is the ultimate plum to Scientology. In Scientology's mind one Michael Jackson can bring in millions of new young and naive members.

A fanatical Scientologist would easily marry or divorce to prove his or her total dedication to "bringing in" millions of people (clearing and controlling the planet.) Those celebrities who have been through the OT III initiation know that "clearing the planet" really means they are one of the elite aliens trapped here. They know the Scientology secret initiations woke them up to their real identity and world historic destiny, and that they will have to go back out into the galaxy and eventually re-fight the old space war. (The Scientology secret initiation process produces a fanatical loyalty at a virtually irrational level.)

Is Lisa Marie a Scientology fanatic? She was married to a Sea Org member who signed a "billion year" contract. She has lived extensively at Scientology centers. By this time she has probably passed the OT III initiation. It's well within the scope of Scientology covert operations and loyalty testing for her to have been on a celebrity recruiting operation for acquiring Michael Jackson."

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Hmmm..more celebrity gossip...:eyeroll: ...sounds like Lisa Marie made a timely escape from the Cult after they tried to use her to recruit Michael Jackson...seems very believable to me. Look at the Tom Cruise wife recruitment shenanigans...seems to be a pattern and practice of providing spouses as part of their Celebrity management. :duh: Lord, lord...have they no shame?

Okay, where's the murder info?

Oh, here we go:
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"SCIENTOLOGY'S MOST (IN)FAMOUS CELEBRITY: CHARLES MANSON

One famous celebrity involved with Scientology that Scientology does not boast about, talk about, or probably even wants you to know about is Charles Manson, the convicted murderer of Sharon Tate and her friends. Scientology made extensive efforts to hide or destroy Manson's Scientology records. They have continually denied that he was a member, but in the FBI raid on Scientology's headquarters the F.B.I. found abundant Scientology internal intelligence information regarding Manson's involvement with Scientology.

The New York Times stated that Manson first got interested in Scientology while he was incarcerated in the McNeil Is land Penitentiary in Washington (Scientology has recruiting programs for prisons). From another report, Manson received about 150 hours of Scientology counseling in prison and at one point went psychotic. "Charles was very preoccupied with this new thing called Scientology", one of his friends from prison has told. "He thought that it could do something for him."

Manson himself has told that he learned the methods very quickly, because he had not been programmed in advance. Manson had lessons in Scientology by three of his cell mates. One of them, Lanier Palmer, was "Doctor of Scientology."

After his release from prison, The New York Times reported, he went to Los Angeles where he was said to have met local Scientologists and attended several parties for movie stars, possibly the July 18 initial dedication of the first Celebrity Center.

Scientology literature was also said to be found at the ranch when Manson and his family were captured. There were hints that he later got involved with other OTO groups or may have joined the Process, the sex and Satan group which originally broke away from Scientology.

It is interesting to note that the OTO is commonly considered the mother cult of Satanism to western society. Scientology was derived in significant part from the OTO. The Process came in significant part from Scientology. Another escapee-group from the Process was the notorious Son of Sam cult.

The Son of Sam cult had cells that spread all over the USA. Since 1976 about 15-20 cult killings were committed by the sect in the New York-area, especially of young girls. The leaders in New York were among others, David Berkowitz and the brothers John and Michael Cam. They killed "to bring this era to an end." At David's home the police found the telephone number of the Fort Harrison Hotel in Clearwater, Florida, Scientology's main secret level training center.

David explained to the police, that the Son of Sam cult was an escapee from Scientology, though, there is no proof of David personally being close to Scientology.

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Except that he had the Cult's Mecca of their Training Center's phone number in his home??? :confused2: Yeah, right! :duh:

Just to repeat the part that is pertinent to the topic of this thread:

"One famous celebrity involved with Scientology that Scientology does not boast about, talk about, or probably even wants you to know about is Charles Manson, the convicted murderer of Sharon Tate and her friends. Scientology made extensive efforts to hide or destroy Manson's Scientology records. They have continually denied that he was a member, but in the FBI raid on Scientology's headquarters the F.B.I. found abundant Scientology internal intelligence information regarding Manson's involvement with Scientology.

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:blink: ugh...Scientology IS always worse than you think! :omg: Yerg... :puke2:

Okay, Mike and Marty...you must have know about this stuff...

Tell us about Manson and his followers, including Bruce McGregor Davis, currently up for parole... GO/OSA must have had a file on him.

If you're going to "spill the beans" to the Feds...how about talkin' about this guy, or his fellow Manson family crime spree members, and GO/OSA's efforts to spin or cover up their Cult of Scientology involvement???

Maybe this kind of information regarding murders is what is really being hidden and so closely guarded in the Trementina and other RTC vaults...

and while we're at it, JUST WHERE and HOW IS SHELLY MISCAVIAGE???
 

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If you're going to "spill the beans" to the Feds...how about talkin' about this guy, or his fellow Manson family crime spree members, and GO/OSA's efforts to spin or cover up their Cult of Scientology involvement???

I think we're going to be waiting a very long time for them to talk about that stuff! :whistling:
 
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I was searching for something else regarding Joe Lisa.. because he had called in to a radio show way back when maybe in 1995, and stated who he was - Joe Lisa and that He had been hired by Mary Sue (stress on Mary Sue as opposed to Hubbard)...to investigate the death of Quentin Hubbard. Notes on that are webbed on Lermanet.com HERE scroll down

These are Joe Lisa's comments on Youtube LINK regarding

Bruce McGregor Davis surrenders & arrest 12/02/1970
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Joe Lisa:
"You know Bruce Davis? You should feel lucky that you didn't end up dead in some downtown alley with 50 + knife wounds. I don't suppose he told you what he did with the bodys of Cindy Mellin, Robin Graham or Donna Lass, did he? Is there any way you could post that letter you reference or email ..."

Joe Lisa:
"Bruce Davis expalins how Shorty was Killed and his non- involvement (Charles Manson Family)"

Joe Lisa:
"It wasnt his mother or his sister or Manson who told him to surrender. It was Mary Sue Hubbard and Jane Kember - the GO - who ordered him to turn himself in. They knew the investigation would eventually reveal that Scientology was connected to the Zodiac killings, so when he went back to London after he killed Gaul and Sharp, Mary Sue & Jane told him to surrender. Anybody who tries to downplay Scientology's involvement in Manson & Zodiac killings is part of misinformation campaign."

More on Manson and Scientology HERE


The data that Scientology was involved in the ZODIAC killings and that Manson clan member Bruce McGregor David was ALSO a scientologist is news to me.


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Next February, Bruce Davis’ case and parole decision will land on the desk of Governor Jerry Brown, where it will undergo it’s final review. Brown will have 30 days to review Davis’ case and prison records, and then affirm, modify or reverse the Board of Parole Hearings’ decision to grant him parole.

This process is nothing knew for Davis. In June of 2010, then governor, Arnold Schwarzenegger reversed a Board of Parole Hearings decision that would’ve granted Davis parole, saying, “I believe his release would pose an unreasonable risk of danger of society at this time.”

In 10 of 71 cases Governor Brown reversed in 2011, Brown noted that opposition from the District Attorney’s office, police agencies, and victim’s next-of-kin, factored into his decision to reverse. In one case, Brown even indicated potential public outrage was a factor in his decision.

This will be a significant hurdle for Davis, since his release is opposed by the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Office, the District Attorney, members of the Shea and Hinman families, and the public.

Also opposing Davis’ release, are Sharon Tate’s younger sister Debra Tate and former Manson family member Barbara Hoyt. Both attended Davis’ October hearing and read opposition letters from Hinman and Shea families.

http://www.cielodrive.com/updates/?m=2012

Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger’s 2010 letter to Bruce Davis reversing the parole board's decision.

http://www.cielodrive.com/transcripts/BruceDavis.pdf
 
Update! :thumbsup:

California governor rejects parole for Manson family member Bruce Davis

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Bruce Davis is shown in undated photo from the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation.

From: http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...ole-for-manson-family-member-bruce-davis?lite
"California governor rejects parole for Manson family member Bruce Davis by Dan Whitcomb, Reuters

LOS ANGELES -- California Governor Jerry Brown denied parole on Friday for a member of the Manson family who was sentenced to life in prison for two 1969 murders carried out with other members of the cult, saying that he remained a danger to the public.

In rejecting parole for Bruce Davis, 70, Brown reversed the decision of a California parole board that found him eligible for release after his 27th parole hearing last October.

"As our Supreme Court has acknowledged, in rare circumstances, a murder is so heinous that it provides evidence of current dangerousness by itself," the governor wrote in his six-page decision. "This is such a case."
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Brown commended Davis for his efforts to improve himself during his four decades behind bars, including earning degrees in religion and philosophy, leading counseling groups and teaching Bible classes.

But he said the convicted killer had continued to minimize the extent of his involvement and leadership in the Manson Family, a collection of runaways and outcasts brought together by ex-convict Charles Manson whose spree of killings horrified the nation in the late 1960s.

"Until he can acknowledge and explain why he actively championed the Family's interests, and shed more light on the nature of his involvement, I am not prepared to release him," the governor wrote.

Davis has been serving a life sentence in a California state prison since his 1972 conviction for the murders of music teacher Gary Hinman, who was stabbed to death in July 1969, and stunt man Donald "Shorty" Shea, who was killed the following month. He was arrested in 1970 after nearly a year on the run."

From: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lan...ole-for-manson-family-member-bruce-davis.html

"L.A. NOW
Southern California -- this just in

Brown blocks parole for Manson family member Bruce Davis
March 1, 2013
Gov. Jerry Brown on Friday blocked parole for Manson family member Bruce Davis, saying he still poses a threat to society.

“Until Davis can acknowledge and explain why he actively championed the Family’s interests, and shed more light on the nature of his involvement, I am not prepared to release him,” the governor wrote in his decision.

Davis, 26 at the time of the killings, was convicted and imprisoned in 1972 for his role in the murders of two men, ranch hand Donald “Shorty” Shea, who also worked as a Hollywood stuntman, and aspiring musician Gary Hinman.

Details of Shea’s killing have always remained murky, muddied more by Davis’ recent account that the ranch hand was taken to a different location and killed, not the night that prosecutors claimed, but the following morning.

Another Manson family member, Steve “Clem” Grogan, allegedly cut off Shea’s head. Grogan, the only Manson family member convicted of murder to be set free, won parole in 1985 by leading law enforcement to Shea’s body."

From: http://northridge.patch.com/articles/governor-rejects-parole-for-manson-family-member-bruce-davis

" Governor Rejects Parole for Manson Family Member Bruce Davis

Davis was convicted in two 1969 killings in Los Angeles.

Gov. Jerry Brown has reversed a state parole board panel's decision to recommend parole for Bruce Davis, a one-time Manson family member who
was convicted in two 1969 killings.

Followers of Charles Manson lived at Chatsworth's Spahn Ranch while planning the multiple Tate-LaBianca murders in 1969.

Davis’ attorney, Michael Beckman, told the Los Angeles Times he was “disappointed and saddened by the governor's horrible decision to play politics yet again with Bruce Davis' life.” Beckman said the governor’s reasons for denying parole would be “laughable if the consequences for my client weren't so devastating."

Until Davis can acknowledge and explain why he actively championed the Family’s interests, and shed more light on the nature of his involvement, I am not prepared to release him,” the governor said.

In January 2010, a parole board panel also recommended that Davis be released, but six months later, then-Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger rejected the recommendation. He wrote in an eight-page written review that he believed Davis' release "would pose an unreasonable risk of danger to society at this time."

After a parole panel recommended his release in 2010, District Attorney Steve Cooley sent a letter to the Schwarzenegger urging him to reverse the panel's recommendation.

In his 2010 decision, Schwarzenegger noted that the July 25, 1969, stabbing death of musician Gary Hinman in his Topanga Canyon home and the stabbing and beheading of Spahn ranch hand Donald "Shorty" Shea some time between Aug. 16 and Sept. 1, 1969, were "especially heinous because both victims were abused, tortured and mutilated."

" ... Indeed, some murders are so atrocious that the gravity of the murder, by itself, evidences current dangerousness. I believe this is such a case," the governor wrote.

"... The gravity of the crimes supports my decision, but I am particularly concerned that Davis has not gained sufficient insight into the life offenses and continues to minimize his role in these atrocious crimes," Schwarzenegger wrote, while noting that Davis had made "some creditable gains in prison."

Davis, 70, was not involved with other Manson followers in the Aug. 9, 1969, murders of pregnant actress Sharon Tate and four others in a rented Benedict Canyon home, or the stabbing deaths of grocery store owner Leno La Bianca and his wife, Rosemary, a day later in their Los Feliz home.

Steve Grogan, who was also convicted in Shea's murder and helped to lead authorities to the site where the victim was buried, was the first former Manson follower to be paroled from prison in 1985.

Manson and most of his co-defendants have repeatedly been denied parole.

Onetime Manson family member Susan Atkins died in September 2009, about three weeks after a state parole board panel rejected her plea for a "compassionate release" from prison because of brain cancer."
 
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From: http://mansonatwar.tumblr.com/post/16988446842/the-manson-zodiac-connection-always-fascinates-me

"The Manson/Zodiac connection always fascinates me. Here is some juice on Bruce Davis and the Scientology Murders.

On November 21, 1969, the bodies of James Sharp, 15, and Doreen Gaul, 19, were found in an alley in downtown Los Angeles. The two had been killed elsewhere then dumped there. Each had been stabbed over 50 times. Both James Sharp and Doreen Gaul were Scientologists, the latter a Scientology ‘clear’ who had been residing in a Church of Scientology commune less than two miles from the Labianca residence. According to several sources, Doreen Gaul was a former girl friend of Manson Family member Bruce Davis, who, like Manson himself, was an ex-scientologist. [Davis] disappeared shortly after being questioned [about another murder].

(Source: Helter Skelter)

Gaul had been living in a Scientology center that Bruce Davis frequented. She was also dating a black guy, which people suspect may have angered Bruce Davis. The body of James Sharp was stabbed 45 times and Doreen Gaul was stabbed 50 times and beat with a motorcycle chain. We all know that motorcycles were a staple of life at Spahn Ranch.

The shocking thing is that a Zodiac letter was apparently found in the belongings of Doreen Gaul. This directly links Bruce Davis to the Zodiac Killings if he is indeed responsible for these murders.

They were murdered the same day Charles Manson was arraigned in Independence, California for murder. And of course the artist composites of the Zodiac Killer look amazingly similar to Bruce Davis.

(Source: The Manson/Zodiac Connection)"

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From: https://cheatersflorida.wordpress.c...ikas-on-their-foreheads-davis-set-for-parole/

"Killers Charles Manson and Bruce Davis Are White Supremacists Who Hate Blacks and Jews They Carved Nazi Swastikas On Their Foreheads, Davis Set for Parole. Saturday, October 06, 2012

(CBS/AP) LOS ANGELES – A former Charles Manson follower who was imprisoned for a double murder engineered by Manson won a recommendation of parole Thursday after 40 years in prison. Bruce Davis appeared before a parole board panel for the 27th time since his conviction with Manson and another man in the killings of musician Gary Hinman and stuntman Donald Shea.

Davis’ release was opposed by Los Angeles County Deputy District Attorney Patrick Sequeira, former Manson family member Barbara Hoyt, and Sharon Tate’s sister, Debra Tate, who attended the hearing. “We certainly disagree with the board’s decision. We will evaluate how we plan to proceed as the matter goes to Gov. Brown,” district attorney’s spokeswoman Sandi Gibbons said.

Convicted killers Charles Manson and Bruce Davis are white supremacists who hate blacks and Jews, they carved Nazi Swastikas on their foreheads, Bruce Davis is set for Parole. Not many people would take the extreme step of carving a Nazi Swastika into their forehead, Charles Manson and his goon Bruce Davis did. The murders perpetrated by Charles Manson and his “Family” were inspired in part by Manson’s prediction of Helter Skelter an apocalyptic race war that he and Bruce Davis wanted to start and now Davis is going to be let loose back into civilized society.

Bruce Davis and Charles Manson were linked to several Scientology houses in San Francisco and Los Angeles. In the early 60′s Bruce Davis worked in the mail room at the Center for Scientology in London. Scientologist Doreen Gaul was a former girl friend of Manson Family member Bruce Davis, himself an ex-Scientologist, she was murdered ( by Davis). One of Manson’s chief disciples, Bruce Davis, was very closely involved with Scientology for a time, working in its London headquarters from about November or December of 1968 to April of 1969. According to a Scientology spokesman, Bruce Davis was kicked out of the organization for his drug use. He returned to the Manson family…in time to participate in the Hinman and Shea slayings.

ZODIAC KILLER LAPD 1974…According to an Assistant DA for LADA’s Office word had it that a male member of the Charles Manson Family was the Zodiac Killer, he was Bruce Davis second in command in the Manson family. Bruce Davis has an FBI file and a secret report done by the State Dept in 1970 about his activities in Great Britain, It was requested by the LAPD. he also has a file in CA CII, it is “sealed.” Manson Family member Bruce Davis is a white male in 1967 he is 5′ 6″ tall and about 150 lbs he has brown hair, the Wanted Poster above for the ZODIAC was looking for a white male about 5′ 8″ tall and 150 lbs with brown hair.

In psychiatric reports, brought out in Bruce Davis’ parole hearings, Davis claimed his father was verbally abusive to him “almost daily” and he received “several beatings, several times a month” from his father. Bruce Davis also claimed that at the age of 12 he was molested by an “adult friend” but did not tell anyone, and at the age of 13 Bruce Davis was raped by an English teacher, and again told no one, this is the beginning life of a serial killer.

Lunatic serial killer Charles Manson listed on jail intake reports that he was a Scientologist“. Manson had claimed that while he was in prison he had studied Scientology, becoming a “theta” which Manson defined as being “clear”. Vincent Bugliosi, prosecuting attorney in the Manson trial, made frequent mention of Scientology and one-time Scientologists with reference to Manson’s life and career in his book.
The 1997 book MANSON: BEHIND THE SCENES by former Secret Service agent turned Manson expert Bill Nelson, presented the “missing Zodiac letter,” a document allegedly discovered among the possessions of murder victim Doreen Gaul. A young resident of the Church of Scientology house in Los Angeles, Gaul reportedly dated Manson follower Bruce Davis. Doreen Gaul and friend James Sharp were abducted, murdered and dumped in a downtown alley on November 21, 1969. The killer or killers had savagely stabbed and beaten both victims, just like other Zodiac victims.


Doreen Gaul, 19, and James Sharpe, 15, were found dead near a house owned by the Church of Scientology, author and ex Secret Service agent Bill Nelson of Orange County CA said. Both victims and Bruce Davis had been Scientologists, and Doreen Gaul lived in a communal house with Bruce Davis near where the bodies were found, Nelson said. The typed letter from the Gaul investigation includes the line, “YOU ARE TO (sic) BEAUTIFUL TO LIVE AND I MUST KILL YOU. ” At the bottom are the words “THE ZODIAC KILLER. ” Both victims were stabbed repeatedly and Deemer said in an interview that the “overkill” reminded him of the Manson murders, which he helped investigate.

Doreen Gaul had been living at a Scientology Center, Theaton Manor, a 14 room house at 1030 S. Bonnie Brea. Hard-core Manson follower Bruce M. Davis also frequented this house. He told an investigating C.I.I. agent that he had been intimate with 9 girls at the Manor but denied knowing Doreen Gaul or anything about the murders. Actually Bruce Davis had been dating Doreen Gaul but she was also dating a black man. This fact had stirred white supremacist Bruce Davis to great anger.


The Bates and Gaul murder cases remain unsolved. Bruce Davis was serving life sentences for murdering Gary Hinman and Donald “Shorty” Shea under orders from Charles Manson and is now set to be released on parole, how about that.

Bill Warner Private Investigator Sarasota Fl"

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From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zodiac_Killer

"Zodiac letter to Paul Avery

On October 27, 1970, Chronicle reporter Paul Avery (who had been covering the Zodiac case) received a Halloween card signed with a letter 'Z' and the Zodiac's cross circle symbol. Handwritten on the card was the note "Peek-a-boo, you are doomed." The threat was taken seriously and received a front-page story on the Chronicle.[6] Soon after receiving this letter, Avery received an anonymous letter alerting him to the similarities between the Zodiac's activities and the unsolved murder of Cheri Jo Bates, which had occurred four years earlier at the city college in Riverside in the Greater Los Angeles Area, more than 400 miles south of San Francisco.[43] He reported his findings in the Chronicle on November 16, 1970.
Riverside attack

On October 30, 1966, 18-year-old Cheri Jo Bates spent the evening at the campus library annex until it closed at 9:00 p.m. Neighbors reported hearing a scream around 10:30 p.m. Bates was found dead the next morning, a short distance from the library, between two abandoned houses slated to be demolished for campus renovations. The wires in her Volkswagen's distributor cap had been pulled out. She was brutally beaten and stabbed to death. A man's Timex watch with a torn wristband was found nearby.[44] The watch had stopped at 12:24,[45] but police believe the attack occurred much earlier.[44]
"The Confession"

A month later, on November 29, 1966, nearly identical typewritten letters were mailed to the Riverside police and the Riverside Press-Enterprise, titled "The Confession". The author claimed responsibility for the Bates murder, providing details of the crime that were not released to the public. The author warned that Bates "is not the first and she will not be the last."[46]

In December 1966, a poem was discovered carved into the bottom side of a desktop in the Riverside City College library. Titled "Sick of living/unwilling to die", the poem's language and handwriting resembled that of the Zodiac's letters. It was signed with what were assumed to be the initials rh. Sherwood Morrill, California's top "Questioned Documents" examiner, expressed his opinion that the poem was written by the Zodiac.[47]

On April 30, 1967, exactly six months after the Bates murder, Bates' father Joseph, the Press-Enterprise, and the Riverside police all received nearly identical letters: in a handwritten scrawl the Press-Enterprise and police copies read "Bates had to die there will be more", with a small scribble at the bottom that resembled the letter Z. Joseph Bates' copy read "She had to die there will be more", this time without the Z signature.[citation needed]

On March 13, 1971, nearly four months after Paul Avery's first article on Bates, the Zodiac mailed a letter to the Los Angeles Times. In the letter he credited the police, instead of Avery, for discovering his "Riverside activity, but they are only finding the easy ones, there are a hell of a lot more down there."[48]

The connection between Cheri Jo Bates, Riverside and the Zodiac remains uncertain. Paul Avery and the Riverside Police Department maintain that the Bates homicide was not committed by the Zodiac, but did concede some of the Bates letters may have been his work to falsely claim credit."


From: http://www.zodiackillerfacts.com/bl...iac-unsolved-crimes-and-unanswered-questions/

"CHERI JO BATES and The ZODIAC: Unsolved Crimes and Unanswered Questions Written by Michael Butterfield
Written on:October 31, 2009

[A note to the reader: This blog entry is longer than most in order to address many of the issues revolving around the still-theorized connection between the Zodiac and Bates cases as well as the developments over the last 43 years.]

Forty three years ago today, a groundskeeper working on the campus of Riverside City College discovered the body of eighteen-year-old freshman Cheri Jo Bates. The young coed had been stabbed to death in an alley way in the last hours of October 30, 1966, and then left in the dirt and darkness until she was found the next morning.

Investigators came upon a man's Timex watch lying on the ground near the body; the size of its torn wristband indicated that the killer had a wrist measuring approximately seven inches. A heel print at the scene was identified as a B.F. Goodrich waffle design boot in a size range between eight and ten. An autopsy determined that the victim had scratched her killer, and an analysis of traces of skin under her fingernails concluded that the killer was a Caucasian male. The unknown subject had stabbed the victims several times in her chest and at least once in her back, and also slashed her throat using a knife that measured approximately ½ inch wide and 3 ½ inches long.

Investigation revealed that Cheri Jo had traveled to the library, where she checked out a collection of books and then returned to the parking lot and her Volkswagen Bug. The car was still parked in the lot the following day and, when they opened the hood to examine the engine, police discovered that someone had disconnected a distributor wire, thereby disabling the vehicle. Speculation suggested that the killer sabotaged the car in order to create a ruse in which he pretended to assist Bates and offered her a ride. Convinced that the seemingly helpful stranger would take her to his car, Cheri Jo willingly walked away from the library and into the night with the man who planned to take her life.

Although police would later identify several suspects, the case remained unsolved and, in 1969, news of the notorious Zodiac killer reached Thomas Kinkead, Chief of the Riverside Police Department. The letter-writing killer reminded Kinkead of the unsolved homicide that occurred three years earlier. In early October, Kinkead contacted Agent Mel Nicolai at the Department of Justice to report his suspicion that the crimes could be connected. Nicolai directed Kinkead to investigators in Napa, and, on October 17, 1969, Chief Kinkead contacted the Napa County Sheriff's Office.

Chief Kinkead wrote in a subsequent letter, One month after the homicide, letters were received at the Press and our department written by the suspect of our homicide. The suspect used a black felt tip pen to address the envelopes and had used upper case print. The confession was typed.

THE CONFESSION
By ______________________________

SHE WAS YOUNG AND BEAUTIFUL. BUT NOW SHE IS BATTERED AND DEAD. SHE IS NOT THE FIRST AND SHE WILL NOT BE THE LAST. I LAY WAKE NIGHTS THINKING ABOUT MY NEXT VICTIM. MAYBE SHE WILL BE THE BEAUTIFUL BLOND THAT BABYSITS NEAR THE LITTLE STORE AND WALKS DOWN THE DARK ALLEY EACH EVENING ABOUT SEVEN. OR MAYBE SHE WILL BE THE SHAPELY BLUE EYED BROWNETT THAT SAID NO WHEN I ASKED HER FOR A DATE IN HIGH SCHOOL. BUT MAYBE IT WILL NOT BE EITHER. BUT I SHALL CUT OFF HER FEMALE DEPARTS AND DEPOSIT THEM FOR THE WHOLE CITY TO SEE. SO DON’T MAKE IT EASY FOR ME. KEEP YOUR SISTERS, DAUGHTERS, AND WIVE OFF THE STREETS AND ALLEYS. MISS BATES WAS STUPID. SHE WENT TO THE SLAUGHTER LIKE A LAMB. SHE DID NOT PUT UP A STRUGGLE. BUT I DID. IT WAS A BALL. I FIRST PULLED THE MIDDLE WIRE FROM THE DISTRIBUTOR. THEN I WAITED FOR HER IN THE LIBRARY AND FOLLOWED HER OUT AFTER ABOUT TWO MINUTS. THE BATTERY MUST HAVE BEEN ABOUT DEAD BY THEN I OFFERED TO HELP. SHE WAS THEN VERY WILLING TO TALK WITH ME. I TOLD HER THAT MY CAR WAS DOWN THE STREET AND THAT I WOULD GIVE HER A LIFT HOME. WHEN WE WERE AWAY FROM THE LIBRARY WALKING, I SAID IT WAS ABOUT TIME. SHE ASKED ME ABOUT TIME FOR WHAT. I SAID IT WAS ABOUT TIME FOR HER TO DIE. I GRABBED HER AROUND THE NECK WITH ME HAND OVER HER MOUTH AND MY OTHER HAND WITH A SMALL KNIFE AT HER THROAT. SHE WENT VERY WILLINGLY. HER BREAST FELT VERY WARM AND FIRM UNDER MY HANDS, BUT ONLY ONE THING WAS ON MY MIND. MAKING HER PAY FOR THE BRUSH OFFS THAT SHE HAD GIVEN ME DURING THE YEARS PRIOR. SHE DIED HARD. SHE SQUIRMED AND SHOOK AS I CHOAKED HER, AND HER LIPS TWICHED. SHE LET OUT A SCREAM ONCE AND I KICKED HER HEAD TO SHUT HER UP. I PLUNGED THE KNIFE INTO HER AND IT BROKE. I THEN FINISHED THE JOB BY CUTTING HER THROAT. I AM NOT SICK. I AM INSANE. BUT THAT WILL NOT STOP THE GAME. THIS LETTER SHOULD BE PUBLISHED FOR ALL TO READ IT. IT JUST MIGHT SAVE THAT GIRL IN THE ALLEY. BUT THAT'S UP TO YOU. IT WILL BE ON YOUR CONSCIENCE. NOT MINE. YES I DID MAKE THAT CALL TO YOU ALSO. IT WAS JUST A WARNING. BEWARE … I AM STALKING YOUR GIRLS NOW.

CC. CHIEF OF POLICE
ENTERPRISE

Police could not confirm a phone call to the police or the local newspaper, The Press-Enterprise. The letter was considered most suspicious. Kinkead offered a disturbing conclusion: The person who wrote the confession is aware of facts about the homicide that only the killer would know. There is no doubt that the person who wrote the confession letter is our homicide suspect.

Six months after the receipt of the Confession, three handwritten letters arrived at the Riverside Police Department, the local newspaper, and the home of Cheri Jo's father, Joseph Bates. The first two read, Bates had to die. There will be more. A small symbol resembling the letter Z appeared at the bottom of each page. The third letter simply read, She had to die. There will be more.

A handwriting expert concluded that the Zodiac was responsible for the letters. At least one other expert agreed with this conclusion yet others would later express their doubts. After the possible connection was reported in newspapers with headlines which read, Zodiac Link Is Definite, the Zodiac wrote to say, I do have to give them credit for stumbling across my riverside activity, but they are only finding the easy ones, there are a hell of a lot more down there.

Kinkead's letter demonstrated that Riverside police had embraced the possibility that the Zodiac was responsible for the Bates murder, however, in later years, the department reversed this position and focused its attention on a suspect who had allegedly dated the victim prior to her death. Further investigation failed to produce sufficient evidence to charge this individual and the crime remained unsolved in 1982, when the department released a statement to the public that read, In November of 1981, new information came to light which resulted in the assignment of four investigators to work full time on this case. These investigators recontacted numerous persons who were either known to the victim or were known to associate with an individual we believe responsible for this crime. Current and past known associates have been interviewed in depth. All of the physical evidence related to this crime has been re-evaluated and in some instances forensically re-examined. The statement went on to read, The alleged connection with the Zodiac by certain media and inquisitive individuals was anticipated when a decision was made to release this information. The showing of very old composites and the review of previously examined cryptic writings by some of the media, have resulted in considerable interest by the rest of the media whose knowledge of the Zodiac is based on out-dated information linking this investigation with those referred to as Zodiac cases. Speculation and creative reporting of this kind could conceivably hamper successful prosecution. The person we believe responsible for the slaying of Cheri Jo Bates is not the individual other law enforcement authorities believe responsible for the so called Zodiac killings. Our investigation of the Cheri Jo Bates murder continues to be as thorough as possible.

The new information concerned a sensational story told by a seemingly credible witness who knew the suspect in question. This witness claimed that he had seen the suspect on the night of the murder and then accompanied him back to the scene of the crime in search of the suspect's watch. Police believed the witness was telling the truth but could not produce enough evidence to prosecute the suspect. If authorities in Riverside were concerned about the impact of media speculation linking the Bates case and the Zodiac crimes, they could not have been pleased when the best-selling book ZODIAC featured the Bates story, forever linking the two cases in the public imagination. Today, any discussion of one case must include the by-now obligatory reference to the other.

Those who dismissed this possible link often claim coincidence, or theorize that the Zodiac simply read of the Bates case and then decided to send the Riverside writings and take credit for a crime he did not commit. I will never forget the first time I walked onto the campus of Riverside City College more than ten years ago in January of 1999. As my eyes studied the scenery, I suddenly spotted a sign for a student production of The MIKADO. Was that a coincidence? Of course. However, when it comes to the possible link between the crimes of the Zodiac and the murder of Cheri Jo Bates, I believe that such explanations seems insufficient as we confront yet another un-happy Halloween and another anniversary of the still-unsolved slaying.

Contested or questionable links between unsolved crimes and those of a known serial killer are often at the center of debate and the source of contention among various law enforcement agencies. Even those investigators who do their best to work together and cooperate in pursuit of a common goal can be mistaken when attempting to determine which crimes where committed by which killer. In the now-resolved and infamous case of Wichita's T.K. Strangler, FBI profilers offered their expert opinion that a long-unsolved murder of a young mother was definitely not the work of the then-silent killer who tortured his victims in their homes and wrote letters to the local media. When BTK resurfaced in 2004, he sent his first communication in years to a local newspaper: the envelope contained the photographs he had taken while he killed the young mother, a crime the FBI had determined was not linked to BTK.

The sad truth is that no one can accurately determine exactly which crimes were committed by whom until the persons responsible for those crimes are conclusively lined to those cases, or the killer provides the link himself. Most critics and amateur sleuths focus on conflicting or varying M.O.s, and argue that even the slightest deviation from a rigid pattern is proof that two seemingly different cases cannot be the work of the same individual. Beyond these simplistic terms and confines, another aspect of criminal pathology remains largely overlooked the signature.

Theories connect the Zodiac to many unsolved cases, however, the killer only took credit for these specific crimes: the shootings on Lake Herman Road and at Blue Rock Springs Park, the stabbing at Lake Berryessa, the murder of cabdriver Paul Stine, the abduction of Kathleen Johns, and the murder of Cheri Jo Bates. The evidence clearly links the Zodiac to the first four cases, and even SFPD Inspector William Armstrong believed it was possible that Johns had actually encountered the Zodiac yet somehow survived to tell her story. The Zodiac appeared to claim as many as 37 victims by the time he vanished in 1974, yet no one knows just how many lives he destroyed during his career. At the end of his campaign of terror, he abandoned his previous nom-de-plume in favor of others, such as, A Citizen, A friend, and even The Red Phantom.” The possibility exists that the killer had a career after he used The Zodiac†as his signature, and therefore it is equally possible that he began his deadly work before assuming that persona. A simple examination of some basic facts raises serious questions regarding the logic behind the assumption that the Zodiac was not responsible for the murder of Cheri Jo Bates.

The term signature is simply a fancy word for need, and when homicide investigators study a crime, they search for a motive, a reason for that crime. No one can determine with any accuracy or precision the factors or feelings which may motive and drive a man to murder, but the study of his crimes will reveal his signature. While some murderers may vary their methods of operation, choosing to stab, shoot or strangle their victims in an effort to deceive authorities or engage in experimentation, a killer's choices, actions and words reflect his needs “ even when he attempts to deceive and even when he doesn't realize that he is doing so. In this sense, the killer's crimes will reveal his psychological fingerprint.

In my unprofessional opinion as a citizen who as studied this case for many years, the characteristics of the Zodiac appear to be, in part:

#1) The killer's crimes often appear to lack obvious motive; meaning, no evidence of sexual assault, robbery of significant monetary value, or personal animosity.

#2) The killer makes little to no effort to conceal his actions, often choosing populated or popular areas as the locations of his attacks.

#3) The killer takes risks beyond those preferable to one who has serious fear of capture.

#4) The killer's crimes appear to be premeditated in nature, and often indicate preparation and planning.

#5) The killer can vary his methods but remains largely consistent in linking himself to these crimes rather than attempting to avoid detection of any connection.

#6) The killer enjoys recounting his deeds, either by telephone or written communication, including a message at a crime scene or handwritten letters.

#7) The killer often provides minor and/or important details in some cases, the authorities state that these messages contain information known only by the killer.

#8) The killer favors victims of chance rather than preselected targets couples on a roadside, a couple at a lake on a whim, or a cab driver passing by. The evidence suggests that he selected his targets at random.

#9) The killer can adapt to changing conditions and accomplish his goals, remaining calm under pressure and improvising when necessary. He has the ability to interact with his victims without raising suspicion.

#10) The killer can employ a carefully constructed ruse when it suits his needs. At Lake Berryessa, the killer concocted a curiously-false yet detailed story regarding a prison escape, the killing of a guard, and a flight to Mexico. He lied to his victims and claimed he only intended to rob them before stealing their car but the deception ended with a sudden ambush of violence. The selection of a cab driver and the direction to a pre-determined location also suggests planning as well as the ability to interact with and deceive a victim until the desired time to strike.

#11) The killer does not feel a need to interact with the victim after the initial violence other than to retrieve items he can later use for some known and/or known purpose, such as trophies or a possession which he can later use to prove that he was responsible for the crime. He does not sexually molest his victims, nor does he make any effort to transport them away from the scene of the crime. The killer makes no effort to conceal his crimes in that he does not dispose of or attempt to hide the bodies but prefers to leave them the victims where they fall.

#12) The killer inflicts potentially lethal and often deadly wounds but makes no apparent effort to ensure that his victims are dead before leaving the scene of the crime. In two instances, rather than leaving his victims to die at isolated locations, the killer called authorities and directed them to the scene and the victims, thereby increasing the possibility that they might somehow survive.

#13) The killer's crimes revolve around and concern vehicles he drives to the locations where he attacks victims who are seated in vehicles, he asks for and/or takes the keys to the vehicles of his victims, he writes a message on the vehicle belonging to a victim, and he sits inside the victim's vehicle in order to commit the crime. He even mentions and/or describes the vehicles of his victims in both his telephone and written communications.

#14) The killer repeatedly defines his crimes in reference to the method, the location and/or date of those crimes referring to the victims he killed last Christmas, victims one mile east of Columbus Parkway, those people up north, and the taxi driver over by Washington and Maple streets. He even writes the location of his attacks on a car door as, Vallejo, as well as the dates of those crimes along with others.

#15) The killer often describes his fantasies using vivid details.

#16) The killer enjoys describing the reactions of his victims but makes no significant effort to inflict pain on his victims beyond that which is necessary to the completion of his apparent goal to wound or kill he does not engage in any acts of obvious or pro-longed torture and or sadism.

#17) The killer alludes to past and future victims, often without providing specific details or information.

#18) The killer often warns of further attacks or threatens more violence unless his demands are met. He will provide elaborate details regarding his potential reprisals.

#19) The killer often states that he will strike again yet many of these threats appear to be nothing more than attempts to frighten the public and/or mislead or confuse authorities.

#20) The killer links himself to and/or claims credit only for crimes which remain unsolved.

These are the undeniable characteristics of the Zodiac, as established by the known facts. Any thorough and fact-based assessment of the behavior of the killer in the Bates case and the author of the Confession letter and other Riverside writings will reveal a very similar set of characteristics, and the same psychological fingerprint.

Some skeptics have speculated that the Confession may have been written by the someone who wished to deflect suspicion from an individual who had known the victim. However, the author of the “Confession†clearly states that the murder was his way of “MAKING HER PAY FOR THE BRUSH OFFS THAT SHE HAD GIVEN ME DURING THE YEARS PRIOR. Rather than lead authorities to a stranger, the author directed them straight to a rejected suitor, a jilted lover, an angry acquaintance or even an obsessive friend. A suspect who wished to re-direct the investigation would attempt to implicate a stranger rather than those who knew the victim. A stranger who wished to mis-direct the investigation would implicate someone who had known the victim.

The author of the Confession described a scenario which was in keeping with the known facts, and claimed that he had disabled the victim's car while she was inside the campus library. He further stated that he used this as the basis for a pre-conceived ruse to approach the victim, offer his assistance, and then guide her to a pre-determined location where he planned to execute Bates. The author provided details which police then stated could only be known by the actual killer, and he also offered an elaborate narrative describing the sequence of events, including the disabling of the vehicle, the approach of the victim, the use of the ruse, the walk to the car, the attack itself, and the reaction of the victim. The author mentioned a phone call placed after the murder. The author also alluded to past and future crimes and included an elaborate description of an impending attack which he did not commit (as in, I SHALL CUT OFF HER FEMALE PARTS AND DEPOSIT THEM FOR THE WHOLE CITY TO SEE). The author of the three handwritten letters also warned of future attacks.

The behavior of the killer in the Bates case is also similar to that of the Zodiac in several respects. Like the Zodiac, the Bates killer carried out a premeditated act which included careful planning, execution, and the use of a ruse in order to gain the trust of the victim. Like the Zodiac, the Bates killer was capable of putting his victim at ease, and created an elaborate lie so that he could guide the victim towards his predetermined conclusion and the planned attack. Like the Zodiac, the Bates killer did not engage in any sexual activity with the victim and made no effort to transport or conceal the body after the murder. The Bates crime also lacked signs of any apparent or traditional motives such as sexual assault, robbery or personal animosity. The Bates killer also took risks, exposing himself to potential witnesses in the library parking lot and taking the chance that he might be seen talking to or walking with the victim before the attack.

Chief Kinkead strongly believed that the author of the Confession was the same individual responsible for the Bates murder, and he clearly viewed the Zodiac as a logical suspect. Kinkead based his opinion on many factors but other information also supported his conclusion. After the Bates murder, Riverside police, the local newspaper and Bates father received three virtually identical handwritten letters in April 1967. The Zodiac's first written attempt to communicate consisted of three virtually identical handwritten letters mailed in July, 1969. The author of the Riverside Confession wrote, SHE SQUIRMED AND SHOOK AS I CHOAKED HER, AND HER LIPS TWICHED. In his letter of July 26, 1970, the Zodiac wrote: Some I shall tie over ant hills and watch them scream + twich and squirm. Theories regarding a possible link between the Zodiac and Bates crimes did not appear in news reports until three month after the Zodiac had misspelled the same word in the same manner as the author of the Confession. Although I cannot claim to possess complete knowledge regarding the history of writings linked to murders, I would venture to guess that these are the only two instances in which a killer mailed three virtually identical handwritten letters. This similarity, and the use of the identical misspelling, suggests that the same author may have been responsible for both communications.

I made my first trip to Riverside to conduct research regarding the Bates murder in January, 1999. I contacted the detective then in charge of the case, stated the purpose of my inquiry and introduced myself by name. The detective replied, Is this the same Michael Butterfield who wrote this article I have in front of me? I responded by saying that, while I did not know to which article he referred, it was unlikely that anyone else was writing about this case under the same name. The detective then said, (paraphrase), You're taking some pretty tough shots at us here.†I did my best to explain my position on the issues but the detective was clearly not interested in discussing any possible link between the Zodiac and the Bates murder.

The detective was adamant in his opinion that Bates had been killed in an act of personal rage. He cited the over-kill aspects of the attack, and, later, he would claim that Bates had been stabbed as many as forty-two times. When referring to the fact that the killer had almost severed Bates head with several slashes to her throat, the detective compared the murder to the rage-killing of O.J. Simpson's ex-wife, Nicole Brown. While he never used these exact words, the detective essentially said, We have it all figured out, and we have nothing to learn from anyone else when it comes to this case.

After that discussion, I was forced to reconsider my own opinions about Bates murder. After all, I thought, these guys know more than I do, they are professionals, they have experience, and I'm just some guy who is interested in this case. Who am I to question their conclusions? I decided that I needed to accept the possibility that the Bates and Zodiac crimes were not connected, and went about the rest of my research. However, in the years that followed that trip, the facts once again forced me to question the opinions of the Riverside police department, and their theory regarding their pet suspect.

Information concerning the Riverside informant raised serious doubts about his story. Known as a respected employee of a major corporation, the informant was deemed credible by the Riverside authorities. Yet, for many observers, the story that he had accompanied the suspect to the scene of the crime on the night of the murder was simply suspicious. Many critics wondered why the man had waited more than a decade before coming forward to tell his story. Further, many questioned the notion that anyone would conceal the solution to a murder case simply because a friend had asked him to do so. The witness did not claim that the suspect bragged about the crime during a drunken bout years later, but that he had traveled to the scene with the suspect and even saw the body of Cheri Jo Bates; therefore, the witness was not one of those people who heard a possibly false confession and did not know what to make of what he heard “ this man was there, at the scene, and he knew that the suspect was responsible. Also, this witnesses watched as the case remained unsolved for more than a decade and never came forward, despite the public pleas of the investigators for information, despite the ongoing speculation regarding the Zodiac link, and despite the fact that the Bates family had never received the justice they deserved.

As one who has studied the story told by the witness (according to the details made public over the years), I must say that I am not convinced and find the entire scenario highly questionable. Living with the knowledge that one possesses the solution to an unsolved murder but failing to come forward requires a special kind of person. In my opinion, anyone who could do so, let alone for the reasons offered by the witness, is not an honest or trustworthy human being. Allowing the case to remain unsolved while watching the authorities waste valuable resources and the family destroyed by a grief is inexcusable, under any circumstances. The witness and the suspect had no relationship which would justify protecting the killer it's not as if the suspect took a bullet for the witness on the beaches of Normandy.

The witness waited more than a decade to come forward, and, when he did so, he could only offer scraps of information, most of which had already appeared in news reports during that time. The story about looking for the missing watch may have seemed credible but even the most generous critics cite the fact that this story is dubious at best. A killer who was so desperately afraid of capture that he would risk returning to the scene of the murder in order to retrieve that possession was increasing his chance of capture ten-fold by involving another person in his crime. As investigation has proven, the watch did not link the suspect to the crime, so the decision to risk further exposure and possible capture by returning to the scene seemed unwarranted. Confessing his involvement in the murder to another human being put the suspect at eternal risk of being identified as the killer. While some observers may be tempted to believe the story told by this witness, I do not believe this witness is telling the truth, and, further, I don’t believe that he ever went to the scene of the crime with the suspect that night. Police had no evidence to link their suspect to the Bates murder and, without the story told by the witness, the case against the suspect was virtually non-existent.

After my trip to Riverside, the report detailing the autopsy of Cheri Jo Bates surfaced on the Internet. The report clearly refutes the scenario described by the detective who claimed that Bates had been stabbed as many as forty-two times. The report indicated that the actual number of stab wounds was far less than forty-two, and that, despite the violence unleashed on the victim, the notion that this was an act of personal rage by someone who had known Bates was not supported by the facts. The theory endorsed by the Riverside police no longer seemed as plausible or correct.

Several years ago, word spread that Riverside authorities had obtained a genetic profile from the hairs found in the victim's hand and planned to compare this sample with one obtained from their suspect. I predicted that the comparison would not implicate the suspect, and the results proved my prediction to be accurate the tests proved that the DNA taken from those hairs did not match the DNA of the suspect. At one time, the suspect even issued a statement in which he not only denied killing Bates but refuted many of the stories which had been used to cast suspicion upon him in the past. The case remains unsolved, and the man who killed Cheri Jo Bates remains free whoever he may be.

I am not one to criticize police or second guess the decisions of law enforcement professionals without cause, and, over the years, I have offered my own opinions about the progress of this case (or the lack thereof). Some observers and critics are quick to ridicule or blame the Riverside police department for the failure to identify and charge the killer, however, I think these investigators were always at a disadvantage in trying to solve such a crime. Since I now believe that Bates was killed by a stranger, I believe that disadvantage was most likely greater than investigators could ever overcome. Those who criticize the Riverside police often claim that these investigators are unwilling to even consider a Zodiac connection because to do so would also mean admitting that their failure to stop the killer back in 1966 ultimately left him free to claim more lives as the Zodiac years later. Again, I cannot blame the Riverside police for the failure to solve this case, and I do not believe that they can be blamed for what occurred outside of their jurisdiction. Those who would blame Riverside authorities for the Zodiac crimes are simply being unrealistic and unfair.

If I had one criticism of the position adopted by the Riverside authorities, I would cite their failure to remain open to other theories and possible suspects. No one would blame these investigators for doubting the Zodiac connection but I believe they would be better served to cooperate with the other agencies involved in those crimes in an effort to have all the evidence compared in order to determine if that connection actually exists. Reports indicated that the Riverside DNA was obtained from the hairs found in Bates' hand, yet hair contains mitochondrial DNA which differs from and cannot be compared to DNA taken from saliva, blood or semen. However, the partial genetic profile obtained from the Zodiac's envelope can be compared to any DNA obtained from the envelopes which contained the Riverside writings, or perhaps forensics experts could employ new techniques in an effort to obtain Touch DNA from the actual Riverside letters. The watch left at the scene of the Bates murder may prove useful if authorities were able to obtain DNA from its wrist band; such items can often reveal traces of sweat, or even skin. Given the nature of the crime, the killer may have cut himself and, therefore, a re-examination of the victim's clothing using new technology and new methods could possibly reveal traces of the killer's blood and therefore yield his genetic profile.

I would hope that Riverside authorities would be willing to explore all of these possibilities and do whatever is necessary to cooperate with the agencies in the Zodiac cases. In the end, any new evidence obtained from a renewed examination of the Bates case may ultimately prove or disprove a link between the cases, or even implicate the suspect favored by Riverside authorities. No matter what the result, the Riverside police department would silence its critics and rightfully claim that its investigation of the Bates murder continues to be as thorough as possible.

Forty three years ago, Cheri Jo Bates was a beautiful, vibrant, friendly, out-going young woman who sought to better herself through education. Her loving family had high hopes for Cheri Jo, and they most likely dreamed of watching her graduate from college, find her career, build a life and perhaps even start her own family. Instead, they watched as her body was lowered into the ground, along with their hopes of finding justice. The man who killed Cheri Jo Bates deceived her in order to win her confidence and then used that trust to lead his victim to her death. If the author of the Confession was, in fact, the killer, he not only bragged that he had killed Bates but mocked her for ever trusting him in the first place. The cowardly liar also warned, There will be more. If the author of the Confession was, in fact, the Zodiac “ as some experts and even Chief Kinkead suspected “ then his words were not only prophetic, but still continue to haunt and taunt us in ways he never imagined.

Michael Butterfield October 31, 2009
 
From the confession, "I AM NOT SICK. I AM INSANE. BUT THAT WILL NOT STOP THE GAME. "

I've never heard anyone talk about any obviously non-game (non-sport or play) activity of theirs as a "game", except for Scientologists, or Scientology squirrels. :no: That is definitely Scientology slang.
 

revicamc

Patron
I think we're going to be waiting a very long time for them to talk about that stuff! :whistling:

Maybe that time is coming near:

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Richard Winton of the L A Times said:
After a lengthy battle, Los Angeles Police Department detectives and prosecutors have decades-old audiotapes that could shed new light on other cases potentially connected to the Charles Manson killing rampage.

<SNIP>

There are also the killings of two Scientologists and separate slayings of two women in the Hollywood Hills.

Link to the story is here: http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-adv-manson-tapes-20130525,0,6960660.story
 

Enthetan

Master of Disaster
It will be interesting to see what the LAPD thinks it can get from Tex Watson who's serving a life sentence & has been denied parole 14 times already. The man is never getting out of prison. Why would he cooperate with the police now?

Right. He's going to stay in prison for the rest of his life. Which means the prison warden has lots of control over every aspect of his life.

In that circumstance, what would YOU do for better food, or other amenities in your cell? Particularly if nothing you said was likely to make your life any worse?
 
If Charlie Manson didn't get busted would he still be in the cult or would he be one of the old timers in the freezone complaining about how Miscavige ruined the cult?
 

BunnySkull

Silver Meritorious Patron
Maybe that time is coming near:

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Originally Posted by Richard Winton of the L A Times

<SNIP>

There are also the killings of two Scientologists and separate slayings of two women in the Hollywood Hills.

Link to the story is here: http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-adv-manson-tapes-20130525,0,6960660.story

Who are these two Scientologist murders they are referencing???? Names, details?!?

My google-fu works, their names:

"The bodies of Doreen Gaul, 19, and James Sharp, 15, were found Nov. 5 in an alley near downtown Los Angeles. They had been murdered elsewhere and dumped in the alley, only a few blocks from their respective residences."
 
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Smurf

Gold Meritorious SP
Right. He's going to stay in prison for the rest of his life. Which means the prison warden has lots of control over every aspect of his life. In that circumstance, what would YOU do for better food, or other amenities in your cell? Particularly if nothing you said was likely to make your life any worse?

Better food & amenities in a maximum security prison?? LOL. Tex Watson has long claimed to be a born-again Christian. I suspect police will focus on that aspect of his life to pump him for information.. what kind of "Christian" refuses to assist police in clearing up unsolved murders?
 
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