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[TomKat]

Sounds weird, I know, but no weirder than to think 7 billion plus souls are here entirely voluntarily, though I find that many have no souls at all but are purely animations. We that are forcefully incarnated here are here to train the animitrons with survival information which passes on to animitron offspring...

Great stories. How does one identify these "animitrons" in public?
I've noticed a lot of people seem very out-of-valence, but don't have other symptoms of OOV such as loads of astral attachments, one eye too small or clouded. They are just what they were born to be, which isn't much -- more of a what than a who, a bundle of predictable reactions, no there there.

 

[DagwoodGum]

I think I get the thread now. Let me try. I had a lucid dream about the very same room that I was sleeping in. The only difference was in my dream the door was open. When I woke the door was closed. I was not able to move in my dream only able to turn my head. It was one of the more horrifying experiences of my life. Unlike dagwood, I did not leave my body.

As you'd probably surmise I have an even weirder though similar dream. I went in to a hospital in Mpls to get a double hernia operation around the late 70's, I was put under and woke up in bed on my back with a morphine/scopolamine drip. I fell asleep that evening and had a lucid dream about a short haired brunette young nurse who was murdering patients and had gone unsuspected for some time with many victims. In the dream I saw her come into my room and was about to apply the drugs to murder me too. I saw her watching me in the darkness in my dream and I awoke in shocked terror and upon opening my eyes saw her in the corner by the closed door exactly as she was in the dream and was staring intently at me. She fled in a panic out the door and I laid there trembling and pushed the call doctor button. He showed up soon and I told him and he just laughed and told me it was the medication combination and that he would change it. Never happened again but never did I see that nurse again over the next day or two.

 

[DagwoodGum]

How does one identify these "animitrons" in public?

By their lack of spirit, they lack The Shining if you saw the movie, and operate purely on animal instincts and lack remorse or responsibility for anything they do and behave as if no one is home - but there really isn't.

 

[minnesotabrant]

Thank you for sharing that information with us.
Not.
By the way, it's prostate, not prostrate.
Why don't you PM old Christopher and ask him how to post properly, I'm sure he'll be delighted to clue you in.

yeah but there was that pic I saw that you haven't commented on. Of an ass

 

[minnesotabrant]

As you'd probably surmise I have an even weirder though similar dream. I went in to a hospital in Mpls to get a double hernia operation around the late 70's, I was put under and woke up in bed on my back with a morphine/scopolamine drip. I fell asleep that evening and had a lucid dream about a short haired brunette young nurse who was murdering patients and had gone unsuspected for some time with many victims. In the dream I saw her come into my room and was about to apply the drugs to murder me too. I saw her watching me in the darkness in my dream and I awoke in shocked terror and upon opening my eyes saw her in the corner by the closed door exactly as she was in the dream and was staring intently at me. She fled in a panic out the door and I laid there trembling and pushed the call doctor button. He showed up soon and I told him and he just laughed and told me it was the medication combination and that he would change it. Never happened again but never did I see that nurse again over the next day or two.

As an old psychotic it does not thrill me to talk about my dreams anymore. I was just trying to make a joke about being terrified of a door

 

[DagwoodGum]

As an old psychotic it does not thrill me to talk about my dreams anymore. I was just trying to make a joke about being terrified of a door

No problem, we can get off the topic of your dreams.

 

[minnesotabrant]

I would really like to get my hands on some communist French propaganda from the 20's with English subtitles again.. YouTube either doesn't have it or its in private mode.

 

[DagwoodGum]

I would really like to get my hands on some communist French propaganda from the 20's with English subtitles again.. YouTube either doesn't have it or its in private mode.

Don't know a thing about the subject, sorry.

 

[minnesotabrant]

yeah you have to be a really old-time communist to get your hands on that kind of shit. Some old commie showed me one and I never could find anything like it again

 

[strativarius]

Thank you for sharing that information with us.
Not.
By the way, it's prostate, not prostrate.
Why don't you PM old Christopher and ask him how to post properly, I'm sure he'll be delighted to clue you in.

yeah but there was that pic I saw that you haven't commented on. Of an ass

You're absolutely right, I didn't comment on the contortionist pic on the preceeding page of this thread. It didn't go into explicit detail about bowel-movements though, as your post did. I don't think that in all honesty that's something we really need to know about you. Still, it takes all sorts, so I could be wrong.

And you replied to DG's post above in the prescribed manner. Good, that saved me from having a nervous breakdown, although having said that, you made a bit of a dog's dinner of replying to mine.

 

[minnesotabrant]

thanks for your advice Strat

 

[strativarius]

thanks for your advice Strat

You are most welcome my dear fellow.

Or to put it another way without the English affectation. No worries!

 

[Wilbur]

Scientology aims for increasing ability rather
than producing miracles. CO$ marketing certainly
oversells and frequently exaggerates such gains.

Psychiatry also aims for increasing ability. So like
it or not they are similar in this regard. Talk therapy
of various kinds apparently has many successes. They
can be dramatic.

Well, I would also count increasing LASTING ability in the miracle category. Or, at least, in the category of things that would impress me as being useful. But, with all due respect, that is not what you gave in your win. Nice though your win must have been (and I don't wish to denigrate it), what I had in mind was lasting gains. Whether those lasting gains were acquired suddenly or gradually over time was not a distinction I intended to make. If a person's eyesight improved drastically but gradually over time, or they acquired the ability to exteriorise over time, and then retained those gains, I would count that as something worth pursuing.

 

[Wilbur]

By the way, it's prostate, not prostrate.

Though, to be fair, Scientology admin and ethics tech is aimed at drastic increases in the power of an adherent's PROSTRATE gland to govern his behaviour.

 

[Terril park]

Well, I would also count increasing LASTING ability in the miracle category. Or, at least, in the category of things that would impress me as being useful. But, with all due respect, that is not what you gave in your win. Nice though your win must have been (and I don't wish to denigrate it), what I had in mind was lasting gains. Whether those lasting gains were acquired suddenly or gradually over time was not a distinction I intended to make. If a person's eyesight improved drastically but gradually over time, or they acquired the ability to exteriorise over time, and then retained those gains, I would count that as something worth pursuing.

I did have lasting gains. As a child I spent 8 years trying
to master exteriorization and then succeeded. I then didn't bother about it anymore. It was no longer a problem. So it
seems use it or lose it is true.

I've had many other lasting gains, for example no
longer involved in self invalidation. That is HUGE. Then there
is communication skills, I was somewhat shy and reserved
and after Scn then spent 10 years in sales, and am
happy to communicate with anyone.

 

[Bill]

I did have lasting gains. As a child I spent 8 years trying
to master exteriorization and then succeeded. I then didn't bother about it anymore. It was no longer a problem. So it
seems use it or lose it is true.

I've had many other lasting gains, for example no
longer involved in self invalidation. That is HUGE. Then there
is communication skills, I was somewhat shy and reserved
and after Scn then spent 10 years in sales, and am
happy to communicate with anyone.

And why do you believe that these were directly and specifically the result of a Scientology process -- and which one?

 

[ThetanExterior]

I did have lasting gains. As a child I spent 8 years trying
to master exteriorization and then succeeded. I then didn't bother about it anymore. It was no longer a problem. So it
seems use it or lose it is true.

I've had many other lasting gains, for example no
longer involved in self invalidation. That is HUGE. Then there
is communication skills, I was somewhat shy and reserved
and after Scn then spent 10 years in sales, and am
happy to communicate with anyone.

Terril, you've mentioned several times that you have the ability to exteriorize but I seem to remember once someone asking you to describe "exteriorization" and your answer didn't seem to be what most people think it is.

Would you mind explaining again what you mean by exteriorization?

 

[strativarius]

Terril, you've mentioned several times that you have the ability to exteriorize but I seem to remember once someone asking you to describe "exteriorization" and your answer didn't seem to be what most people think it is.

Would you mind explaining again what you mean by exteriorization?

Good luck with that TE.

 

[guanoloco]

Terril, you've mentioned several times that you have the ability to exteriorize but I seem to remember once someone asking you to describe "exteriorization" and your answer didn't seem to be what most people think it is.

Would you mind explaining again what you mean by exteriorization?

This is interesting...I never knew this.

When I hear "exteriorized" or any variation the Hubbard descriptions come to mind where it's you with all your current perceptions, all 52 of them or whatever but certainly sight, sound, smell and touch, outside of your body and independent of it. What's more the usual statement is that these perceptions are clearer not so much from enhancement but as a result of being free or freed from the MEST impediment filter which degrades them.

Also, one is mobile and able to move up, down and around. Apparently, through walls and ceilings and all that...like a conscious ghost.

OK, that's the classic rendition. There's also variants that are weaker and shallower where a person may be half or partially ept.

I'm curious to hear Terril's version in detail now.

 

[Terril park]

This is interesting...I never knew this.

When I hear "exteriorized" or any variation the Hubbard descriptions come to mind where it's you with all your current perceptions, all 52 of them or whatever but certainly sight, sound, smell and touch, outside of your body and independent of it. What's more the usual statement is that these perceptions are clearer not so much from enhancement but as a result of being free or freed from the MEST impediment filter which degrades them.

Also, one is mobile and able to move up, down and around. Apparently, through walls and ceilings and all that...like a conscious ghost.

OK, that's the classic rendition. There's also variants that are weaker and shallower where a person may be half or partially ept.

I'm curious to hear Terril's version in detail now.

This is interesting...I never knew this.

When I hear "exteriorized" or any variation the Hubbard descriptions come to mind where it's you with all your current perceptions, all 52 of them or whatever but certainly sight, sound, smell and touch, outside of your body and independent of it. What's more the usual statement is that these perceptions are clearer not so much from enhancement but as a result of being free or freed from the MEST impediment filter which degrades them.

Also, one is mobile and able to move up, down and around. Apparently, through walls and ceilings and all that...like a conscious ghost.

OK, that's the classic rendition. There's also variants that are weaker and shallower where a person may be half or partially ept.

I'm curious to hear Terril's version in detail now.

This is interesting...I never knew this.

When I hear "exteriorized" or any variation the Hubbard descriptions come to mind where it's you with all your current perceptions, all 52 of them or whatever but certainly sight, sound, smell and touch, outside of your body and independent of it. What's more the usual statement is that these perceptions are clearer not so much from enhancement but as a result of being free or freed from the MEST impediment filter which degrades them.

Also, one is mobile and able to move up, down and around. Apparently, through walls and ceilings and all that...like a conscious ghost.

OK, that's the classic rendition. There's also variants that are weaker and shallower where a person may be half or partially ept.

I'm curious to hear Terril's version in detail now.

Terril, you've mentioned several times that you have the ability to exteriorize but I seem to remember once someone asking you to describe "exteriorization" and your answer didn't seem to be what most people think it is.

Would you mind explaining again what you mean by exteriorization?

For me "Going 3 feet back of my head" describes what I
experienced. This started happening age 6 and it scared me.
No one could understand what I was talking about.

When I first did this at will apart from moving apparent location it also went along with being more at cause over
my environment. My mum was scolding and nagging me about
something, as mums do, and I felt this would be more comfortable if in an exterior state and so it was. I then
went in and out a few times to try out this new ability.

I think that doing this is something anyone could learn
to do eventually and it may require some processing as well
as practice. I have met several people who could do
this. Also met someone who could do what I believe is usually called astral walking, moving to another location and percieving things. For me she is a credible witness.

Many have experienced special abilities. See this forum
for example and probably none of the people writing are
scientologists.

http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/archive/index.php?t-60397.html