Expert Reveals: WHY A SCN THINKS YOU LEFT COS

Exactly! Not any different than a lot of other religions think of those not in their group, either, huh? :ohmy:

Life IS much better OUT of ANY of that! :happydance:

I'd say it's more along the lines of North Koreans thinking their country's government is the only one on the planet that has it together. Lets be honest with ourselves, Sceintology is not a religion nor was it ever intended to be a religion, it's a totalitarian cult created to serve Hubbard.
 

Wisened One

Crusader
I'd say it's more along the lines of North Koreans thinking their country's government is the only one on the planet that has it together. Lets be honest with ourselves, Sceintology is not a religion nor was it ever intended to be a religion, it's a totalitarian cult created to serve Hubbard.

Yep!
 

HelluvaHoax!

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He innovated a phenomenally successful method of getting to the bottom of any problem, calling it the "FIVE WHYs". Using this technique, one is able to get to the source of any problem and fix it by using only five WHY questions. There is more to it, but I wonder what happens if we use that "squirrel" tech to the question of WHY DID JOE THETA BLOW & BECOME AN EX SCN?

1. WHY did Joe Theta Blow? Because he had O/W's.
2. WHY did Joe Theta have O/W's? Because his ethics was out.
3. WHY was Joe Theta's ethics out? Because he had evil purposes and other unhandled case.
4. Why did Joe Theta have evil purposes and other unhandled case? Because the workable standard Scn tech was not applied
5. Why was the workable standard Scn tech not applied? The workable standard Scn tech was applied but it did not work.

So, there you have it, folks, the actual reason Joe Theta blew and is now an Ex. (it has nothing to do with WHAT SCIENTOLOGISTS THINK IS THE REASON JOE THETA BLEW, but that 5-Why's thingie is too cool to not try it. lol)
 

FrankBooth

Patron with Honors
Just to weigh in and make this not a total derail the simple answer is "None of it was real or workable in the first place".

I don't know if this thread is the place for this, but just tonight, I couldn't help but laugh when my friend's brother told me a story about his trip to LA. Apparently he was wandering around, and in his words "I walked inside the Scientology building where they had a bust of Hubbard, with a waterfall behind it, and I got down on my knees and started 'worshipping' him. Yeah, they escorted me out pretty quick." We had a good laugh. If only he knew...

I didn't have the heart to tell him that his mug is on file, as this was some years ago before there were too many SP's to keep track of.

Then again it was such a great feeling knowing that these days, it's not 'playing with (the wall of) fire' to do that kind of thing.
 

Reasonable

Silver Meritorious Patron
If you are reading this, chances are 99% that you are an Ex-Scn.

Ciao to any OSA "freedom fighters" who bravely battle the forces of evil here. (actually they really are "freedom fighters" because they do fight vs freedom! lol)

We really need a world-class EXPERT for this one. Someone who was in Scientology. "In" like paying for "total freedom" in. And that person would have to be now out. Hey, that means that YOU are the expert.

Here's the question: What is the reason, the viewpoint, the concept that Scientologists have about WHY YOU BECAME AN EX-SCIENTOLOGIST.

All that is needed to to simply recall what YOU thought of people who left, blew, got declared, squirreled. What did you think was the reason they were in and then (later) they were out.

Here is the quirky catch, however: IF SOMEONE IS AN ACTIVE SCIENTOLOGISTS AND THEY ARE GETTING GAIN, BECOMING MORE ABLE, GROWING MORE ETHICAL, UNDERSTANDING THE TECH BETTER, USING THE TECH MORE, GOING UP THE BRIDGE TO EVER-HIGHER LEVELS......THEN HOW DOES THAT PERSON REGRESS AS A BEING TO A LEVEL THAT IS EVEN LOWER THAN WHEN THEY FIRST GOT IN SCIENTOLOGY???

In other words, Joe Theta gets into Scn and starts moving up the "bridge" on January 1, 2000. Mr. Theta spends the next 9 years doing courses and auditing, gets up to OT VII, spends $360K, trains thru the Briefing Course, PTS Course, etc. etc.

Now on July 4th 2009 (9 years later) some kind of fireworks goes off in Joe Theta's head and he leaves Scientology.

All the org staff and his friends and family all KNOW why he left (they say they do).

Here is the question: How and why is it that Joe Theta is LESS AWARE, LOWER TONED, MORE OFF PURPOSE, FURTHER OFF SOURCE, MORE OUT ETHICS & MORE EFFECT on July 4th 2009 than he was on January 1st 2000.

On Jan 1 2000 he was an "active and ethical scientologist". He knew Ron was source. He knew the tech worked. He gave all his money and time to go OT. He studied everything and applied it all and knew that it all worked perfectly 100% of the time. He was a Scientologist, dedicated glaring TR-O and all.

How did he move UP THE BRIDGE for 9 years and end up "worse" than he was on day one.

You are the expert (me too) cuz we once "knew" the answer. We knew why a scientologist became an ex.

What would you have thought or said back in the day when someone became an ex-scn?

I am gonna think it over and post my "expert opinion" too....

Very interested to see what the experts have to say.....

Back in the day i did wonder but i was being kept too busy too look.

In my case I learned to properly apply the doubt formula. In applying the doubt formula I looked at all statistics brushing away rumor and bias.

My source for this was not simply the "what is scientology handbook"

For me auditing works well enough to be continued, management is a failure enough for me to quit.

I support being in the group of people who are free thinkers and don't tell others what to think or do.
I support people who believe that there are ways of getting spiritual and mental gain and Scientology processes may work for some and other things work for others.

Back in the day I was more of a follower than I thought i was
 

Good twin

Floater
I will try to answer "as a Scientologist" here. There are a couple of case outnesses if left unhandled will make a person worse. (I'm surprised Bea didn't weigh in here) The most deadly one being "Out List". If the person is out list and doesn't get it handled he will deteriorate fast according to Hubbard.

This explains why a few months ago one of my local OhTees came over to show me a reference on out list and wrong indications to see if it "indicated" to me.

It didn't. :eyeroll:
 

Panda Termint

Cabal Of One
The current reason being given to scn'ists by the-powers-that-be is, "MUs".
(MUs = misunderstood words).
They are pointing to the HCOB on the Cycle of an Overt and the relationship to MUs and turning it around and using it as a promotional tool for the Basics.
The "party-line" is that the defectors haven't done the Basics and therefore obviously have MUs which has caused them to individuate from scn and then, being seperated from it, commit overts against it.
From a scilon point-of-view this makes "perfect sense".
 
The current reason being given to scn'ists by the-powers-that-be is, "MUs".
(MUs = misunderstood words).
They are pointing to the HCOB on the Cycle of an Overt and the relationship to MUs and turning it around and using it as a promotional tool for the Basics.
The "party-line" is that the defectors haven't done the Basics and therefore obviously have MUs which has caused them to individuate from scn and then, being seperated from it, commit overts against it.
From a scilon point-of-view this makes "perfect sense".

I thought they have given up on the "misunderstood words" excuse and finally started to rewrite his dribble using coherent sentences instead.
 

Panda Termint

Cabal Of One
I thought they have given up on the "misunderstood words" excuse and finally started to rewrite his dribble using coherent sentences instead.
That's the point! The defectors are supposedly MU'd from the studying all that non-coherent (pre-DM revision) text in the "old" books.
That "explains" everything to current scilons.
 
That's the point! The defectors are supposedly MU'd from the studying all that non-coherent (pre-DM revision) text in the "old" books.
That "explains" everything to current scilons.

I wonder how they are explaining away Hubbard's incoherent babbling during his lectures which is recorded in audio format in his own voice, will they rewrite it and have someone else read it?
 

Panda Termint

Cabal Of One
I wonder how they are explaining away Hubbard's incoherent babbling during his lectures which is recorded in audio format in his own voice, will they rewrite it and have someone else read it?
Well, they can't blame the evil transcriptionists for that.

It'll probably become known as the evil Telefunken Tape Conspiracy!
I can imagine an excerpt from the release of the newly fantastically re-mastered DM/GAT collection that goes something like,
"... those old magnetic tapes suffered from print-thru which garbled the sentences, what he really said was..." :D

This project has been underway for some time.
 

Whitedove

Patron Meritorious
To answer the main question, from my own experience the reasons scientologists believe you become and ex-scientologists are:

- you have overts and witholds
- you are a suppressive person
- you are PTS
- you have evil purposes
- you have MUs (but add the overts,witholds with that one)

Its always the same thing. Talk to many scientologists, you will see.
 

HelluvaHoax!

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The current reason being given to scn'ists by the-powers-that-be is, "MUs".
(MUs = misunderstood words).
They are pointing to the HCOB on the Cycle of an Overt and the relationship to MUs and turning it around and using it as a promotional tool for the Basics.
The "party-line" is that the defectors haven't done the Basics and therefore obviously have MUs which has caused them to individuate from scn and then, being seperated from it, commit overts against it.
From a scilon point-of-view this makes "perfect sense".



Yeah, it is finally all starting to make "perfect sense" to me.

The MISUNDERSTOOD WORD is the "only reason" a person:
  • gives up a study or becomes confused or unable to learn
  • separates from a subject and therefore commits overts against it
  • blows

Just for fun, let's assume for a minute that all this might be true...

It explains why Scientology purposely and quickly gives a new Scientologist a vast number of Scn words that are impossible to clear. Delusional words that are chaotically inconsistent with reality. Words like Operating Thetan, Clear, Whole track implant, Xenu & Body Thetan. Maybe that explains why, upon being exposed to hubbard's volcanic eruption of nonsensical words, a perfectly normal person:
  • Gives up, becomes confused about their own life
  • Separates from their own life and therefore commits overts against it
  • Blows from their own life (and joins scientology)

It also explains why Ron blew. Even HE had MU's because he never did the BASICS either! LOL
 
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Div6

Crusader
The current reason being given to scn'ists by the-powers-that-be is, "MUs".
(MUs = misunderstood words).
They are pointing to the HCOB on the Cycle of an Overt and the relationship to MUs and turning it around and using it as a promotional tool for the Basics.
The "party-line" is that the defectors haven't done the Basics and therefore obviously have MUs which has caused them to individuate from scn and then, being seperated from it, commit overts against it.
From a scilon point-of-view this makes "perfect sense".

Please forgive my posting of HubSpew, I do derive some sense of pleasure hoisting them by their own petards. Must be the scarcity of "justice".....


"HUBBARD COMMUNICATIONS OFFICE
Saint Hill Manor, East Grinstead, Sussex
HCO POLICY LETTER OF 5 OCTOBER 1971

PR Series 12
PROPAGANDA BY REDEFINITION OF WORDS
A long-term propaganda technique used by socialists (Communists and Nazis alike) is of interest to PR practitioners. I know of no place it is mentioned in PR literature. But the data had verbal circulation in intelligence circles and is in constant current use. The trick is-WORDS ARE REDEFINED TO MEAN SOMETHING ELSE TO THE
ADVANTAGE OF THE PROPAGANDIST......

Many instances of this exist. They are not "natural" changes in language. They are propaganda changes, carefully planned and campaigned in order to obtain a public-opinion advantage for the group doing the propaganda.
Given enough repetition of the redefinition, public opinion can be altered by altering the meaning of a word.
The technique is good or bad depending on the ultimate objective of the propagandist......The way to redefine a word is to get the new definition repeated as often as possible.........One must know how to do it."


Scientology? Work? What is your definition of "work"? :omg:
 
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HelluvaHoax!

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QUOTE by Div6:

(snip...) Scientology? Work? What is your definition of "work"?

Ciao Div6, cool post!

But...I didn't understand that last line.

Oh no, wait, I have a MU, I am separating and about to commit overts against you and blow! Quick, what does it mean? lol
 

NeXTep

Patron with Honors
You know when I blew the SO 20 years ago. I had just completed a successful (at least in my humble opinion :coolwink:) mission and completed my returning sec check. :whistling:

I always had a bit of pity for that poor bloke who gave me that returning sec check and probably was assigned to a retraining or worse. And always wondered what explanation was given about my blow. But I'm sure they came up with something sensible. :yes:

I never got a declare nor a freeloader bill. :nervous:

They must've really been out of words.
 
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