Petey C
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Good question!
I was a Volunteer, and I paid a FreeLoader debt.
Challenge
Challenge! Are you joking??? I hope you can get it back from those %#$@&*ers.
Good question!
I was a Volunteer, and I paid a FreeLoader debt.
Challenge
Challenge! Are you joking??? I hope you can get it back from those %#$@&*ers.
Oh, that is interesting! I really think they should have to justify their decisions to the public. Judges are expected to give their reasoning, and that is an important part of justice being seen to be done - to have that transparency, even if you think they got it dead wrong. At the moment, I can't help it, I just look at that decision and go, 'Well, OSA must have found his dirt - just like they always do,' because it makes no sense to me any other way. How could that case NOT be sure-fire?
I agree with your sentiments.
Even if the FWO (or any other such agencies/authorties) are not required to be as transparent as court judges about their decisions, given the history of scientology subversion/corruption, they ought to be very concerned that they DO make themselves as transparent as possible, so as not to be open to suspicion of having being "stitched up" by the cult. Lets hope the FWO gets very close questioning by the politicians. It might even be something the FWO is hoping for too.
And the answers to those questions might provide evidence for court case(s).
Having the issues in general, and specific details of individual cases honed down like that in pariliament rather than the war zone of a courtroom court make for a much smoother ride in the courts.![]()
It's difficult to understand the decision in this particular case, I agree. I think Liz Anderson's explanation that the FWO only wants to go with sure-fire cases gives some indication as to what went wrong, but what is frustrating is that we don't know what their reasons were for rejecting the case because they don't explain in any detail. It may be that the Andersons get a better result with the class action lawsuit.
One thing I forgot to mention in my piece is that senators will have the chance to question the Fair Work Ombudsman during the Senate estimates hearings next month, October 17-21. I doubt the ombudsman will discuss individual cases in any detail, but we may get a clearer idea of their thinking.
Purple Rain said:Oh, that is interesting! I really think they should have to justify their decisions to the public. Judges are expected to give their reasoning, and that is an important part of justice being seen to be done - to have that transparency, even if you think they got it dead wrong. At the moment, I can't help it, I just look at that decision and go, 'Well, OSA must have found his dirt - just like they always do,' because it makes no sense to me any other way. How could that case NOT be sure-fire?
Further to our exchange, Kevin Mackey, one of the other witnesses to the FWO inquiry, has published his thoughts on why the final report was toned down in the comments section at the bottom of my article. It makes for interesting reading -- and it will be interesting to see if this issue is picked up by any of the senators who have shown an interest in this issue at the Senate estimates hearings later this month.
Naturally, I would encourage other witnesses to the FWO report to give their views at Infinite Complacency.
Jonny Jacobsen
We've made an important step and now it's back to ...... tick tock, tick tock..... for a little longer![]()
Well I got to put in my 2 cents worth. I told em about offering to volunteer at Leichhardt Mission and being told I couldn't hold the post I wanted as a volunteer and that I had to join staff. I told them about how Caroline Collen (the then ED), when recruiting me for Syd Day, told me that when I returned from Flag we would have an "Ideal Org" and I could expect to be earning $600 per week. I showed em the docs from Flag stating that Co$ Syd was responsible to pay for all my needs whilst at Flag and told them that they didn't and I had to to do 30 hours manual labour a week to earn my keep at Flag. And I showed the stat dec where Virginia Stewart perjured herself, and that Michael Gordon notorised it, so as to get me a religious workers visa, even though legally I should have been on a student visa, so that I could go to Flag.
I guess now it's back to waiting..... tick tock, tick tock..... one way or another it will happen. It may not happen over night, but it will happen.![]()
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Good work Miss Pert.
Nice to read you had docs cause the CoS don't like that at all.
Ensure you send a copy to Slater & Gordon too![]()
Well I got to put in my 2 cents worth. I told em about offering to volunteer at Leichhardt Mission and being told I couldn't hold the post I wanted as a volunteer and that I had to join staff. I told them about how Caroline Collen (the then ED), when recruiting me for Syd Day, told me that when I returned from Flag we would have an "Ideal Org" and I could expect to be earning $600 per week. I showed em the docs from Flag stating that Co$ Syd was responsible to pay for all my needs whilst at Flag and told them that they didn't and I had to to do 30 hours manual labour a week to earn my keep at Flag. And I showed the stat dec where Virginia Stewart perjured herself, and that Michael Gordon notorised it, so as to get me a religious workers visa, even though legally I should have been on a student visa, so that I could go to Flag.
I guess now it's back to waiting..... tick tock, tick tock..... one way or another it will happen. It may not happen over night, but it will happen.![]()
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