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Terril park
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Terril, this is nothing new. Back in 1983, when I was trying to route off of staff in Miami, it took forever. For months and months (I know others have been trying to route off for years at other places
), I was painting, cleaning, etc. Slowly, I got my sec check but they still wouldn't let me finish the routing form. I started in winter which turned into spring and then summer. One day, not inappropriately, I asked the lrh Comm about my routing off cycle (she was next on the routing for and she did nothing for a month or two) and next thing you know... I was slapped with a non-enturb order (for upsetting her) and told I had to be off Miami Org property in 24 hours and not talk to anyone. So, that was how I left; they wouldn't let me finish the leaving staff routing form. I was so relieved! No, I wasn't declared; in fact I paid off my large freeloader debt and got back onlines a few years later in Dallas. I think what Aeval is doing is the right action. Which is basically not doing anything. Even if they threaten a declare, just be too busy to go in session. Or go in once in a while; who cares. The Dallas Org has bigger fish to fry (like an empty ideal org) and don't need one of their bright young stars to be declared. Bad PR and all. I don't think they want Aeval to show up at the next anonymous protest saying hi to all her old scio friends.
Oh, and Aeval, probably goes without saying, but your freeloaders debt can not be enforced. It won't go on your credit and they can't sue you for it. No need to pay them a dime.
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Cherished
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Isn't that the one where you decide not to leave after all?
Aeval
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ahhh... Yeah, took me a while to learn to speak "wog".
Terril, this is nothing new. Back in 1983, when I was trying to route off of staff in Miami, it took forever. For months and months (I know others have been trying to route off for years at other places
I think what Aeval is doing is the right action. Which is basically not doing anything. Even if they threaten a declare, just be too busy to go in session. Or go in once in a while; who cares. The Dallas Org has bigger fish to fry (like an empty ideal org) and don't need one of their bright young stars to be declared. Bad PR and all. I don't think they want Aeval to show up at the next anonymous protest saying hi to all her old scio friends.
Oh, and Aeval, probably goes without saying, but your freeloaders debt can not be enforced. It won't go on your credit and they can't sue you for it. No need to pay them a dime.
This is not a bad idea. Just sayin.
hahahah... yeah.. they make it so "too gruesome" to quit, so you stay.
justaguy
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Great Idea. I'm waiting for one.
I fully realize the outpoints of the management of the CofS. That's why I have such a tough time going in for my seccheck (besides the innane overruns) : I don't support them. Why do I have to go in and pretend like I do?
Well...
You don't? No one's forcing your legs to move in the direction of the local org
Edit: Read this quote for truth : Oh, and Aeval, probably goes without saying, but your freeloaders debt can not be enforced. It won't go on your credit and they can't sue you for it. No need to pay them a dime.
bluewiggirl
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Not to recruit here (the freezone did plenty of that already), but I know anons in most cities around the world, or at least know anons who know anons. I can get you in touch with people if you ever decide that's the way you want to go. I understand if you're still feeling the black mail that's probably not the move you're looking to make just yet, but we're here if you want us.
Aeval
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Well...
You don't? No one's forcing your legs to move in the direction of the local org
Edit: Read this quote for truth : Oh, and Aeval, probably goes without saying, but your freeloaders debt can not be enforced. It won't go on your credit and they can't sue you for it. No need to pay them a dime.
No one, not physically.
Thanks.
Aeval
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We just climb a nine foot high board fence...
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Aeval Welcome to the board! I was in your shoes for months before finding this web site. I was VERY surprised to find out just how many ex-scientologists there are.
I was on staff at LAD for 7 years. The leaving staff routing form is *not* designed to allow you to leave. I can say that as I worked on the pilot of the new scientology routing forms as a staff member at LAD before they were released for broad general use. These routing forms are designed to handle your out ethics or PTS situation so that you REMAIN on staff. Pick an avenue, but I would drop the whole routing form and BS handling and politely tell them to go fuck themselves.
I was also second generation scientologist, so I have 9 immediate family members who are all “in” (maybe more, those are the one I can think of right now). I have “come out” to my Mother and Father, who seemed to take it okay, but most importantly promised me, even if I were to be declared, that they wouldn’t disconnect. This helped greatly. I have one more family member that I personally feel the need to come out to. This one is hard – she’s my sister (she also has attended Delphi BTW and on staff with me for a while), but once I have come out to her, I think I will have made a significant step in what I refer to as my recovery.
Coming out to my sister and attempting to get my parents and her OUT as well is a big goal for me. But I also have the same question “who am *I* to make the decision for them to leave scientology?” here is a questions that I think (haha) has helped me to make my decision:
If the tables were turned, and your sister was in YOUR shoes, what you have her do? I also wonder how angry my sister will be with me when she learns the truth and realized I didn’t warn her when I learned the truth.
I was on staff at LAD for 7 years. The leaving staff routing form is *not* designed to allow you to leave. I can say that as I worked on the pilot of the new scientology routing forms as a staff member at LAD before they were released for broad general use. These routing forms are designed to handle your out ethics or PTS situation so that you REMAIN on staff. Pick an avenue, but I would drop the whole routing form and BS handling and politely tell them to go fuck themselves.
I was also second generation scientologist, so I have 9 immediate family members who are all “in” (maybe more, those are the one I can think of right now). I have “come out” to my Mother and Father, who seemed to take it okay, but most importantly promised me, even if I were to be declared, that they wouldn’t disconnect. This helped greatly. I have one more family member that I personally feel the need to come out to. This one is hard – she’s my sister (she also has attended Delphi BTW and on staff with me for a while), but once I have come out to her, I think I will have made a significant step in what I refer to as my recovery.
Coming out to my sister and attempting to get my parents and her OUT as well is a big goal for me. But I also have the same question “who am *I* to make the decision for them to leave scientology?” here is a questions that I think (haha) has helped me to make my decision:
If the tables were turned, and your sister was in YOUR shoes, what you have her do? I also wonder how angry my sister will be with me when she learns the truth and realized I didn’t warn her when I learned the truth.
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Thanks FF. I too see some moral/ethical dilemmas in 'trying to get someone Out'. I'm loathe to make decisions for others, even when it's 'for their own good'.
Which is why my concentration is on eliminating the Cult itself. It's intrusive to 'get someone out', but, it's a social boon to eliminate this dog-turd on the sidewalk of the social body and a worthy effort. And, in the end, the result would be the same, even if the people remain mindfucked.
Zinj
Which is why my concentration is on eliminating the Cult itself. It's intrusive to 'get someone out', but, it's a social boon to eliminate this dog-turd on the sidewalk of the social body and a worthy effort. And, in the end, the result would be the same, even if the people remain mindfucked.
Zinj
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That's a great point.
I'm right now working on my "doubt formula" which I have dubbed my "Declaration of independence."
I'm fully planning on emailing it to every Scientologist I know personally, including my family.
bluewiggirl
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Is it wrong that I find everything you post sexy?
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only if you really live in boston
I didn't grow up here! I still have my "R"s I swear!
