For the record

[The Anabaptist Jacques]

Perhaps the only condescending remark in the whole thread.




Tolerance I like. Arrogance or condescending views toward other... nope. I tend to believe that each individual is of infinate value and deserves the same respect as any other.

No offense, Isene, but you do have a little bit of condescention in your posts.

That's why I laughed so hard at a comment Veda made a few posts ago.

It usually comes at the end of the point you make with such things like, "but I am objective" or some other implication that you are the better person than the one to whom you are talking.

You might want to take a look at that.

As for my faults, we'd need a whole thread for them, but you can point one out if you wish.

The Anabaptist Jacques

 

[Isene]

No offense, Isene, but you do have a little bit of condescention in your posts.

That's why I laughed so hard at a comment Veda made a few posts ago.

It usually comes at the end of the point you make with such things like, "but I am objective" or some other implication that you are the better person than the one to whom you are talking.

You might want to take a look at that.

As for my faults, we'd need a whole thread for them, but you can point one out if you wish.

The Anabaptist Jacques

Then I appologise for that.

Respect.

 

[degraded being]

That is one standard and by that standard a very great many scientologists are far worse off for their experiences with the church. However, it is not the only standard and among those who enjoyed their periods of involvement with the church it is often not foremost in their consideration.


Mark A. Baker

That is more than one standard: ("...and the other ways in which they are paying ..")

 

[The Anabaptist Jacques]

That is more than one standard: ("...and the other ways in which they are paying ..")

Watch it, DB. Or else you'll get a lot of reading homework from him.

The Anabaptist Jacques

 

[Veda]

Perhaps the only condescending remark in the whole thread.




Tolerance I like. Arrogance or condescending views toward other... nope. I tend to believe that each individual is of infinite value and deserves the same respect as any other.

Believing that each individual is of infinite value and deserves the same respect as any other does not preclude believing that there are levels of awareness.

You just finished telling me that you would not only gladly re-ascend the Bridge Grade Chart of Awareness Characteristics, and gladly pay double the price to do so, and here you are attempting to put a guilt trip on me for joking with you about it.

When was the last time you had a good belly laugh?

 

[Isene]

Believing that each individual is of infinite value and deserves the same respect as any other does not preclude believing that there are levels of awareness.

You just finished telling me that you would not only gladly re-ascend the Bridge Grade Chart of Awareness Characteristics, and gladly pay double the price to do so, and here you are attempting to put a guilt trip on me for joking with you about it.

When was the last time you had a good belly laugh?

Many times every day. I've got three boys, lot's of very inspiring and funny friends and a life full of adventure. Belly laughs abound

I don't much care for Hubbard's or your interpretation of the Bridge or what it does or should do to someone. It did what it did to me and I am jolly happy for it, belly laughs included. As for awareness levels and such... don't care, really. I had a blast. Still do

If you were here right now, I would hug you, though.
:

 

[Veda]

Many times every day. I've got three boys, lot's of very inspiring and funny friends and a life full of adventure. Belly laughs abound

I don't much care for Hubbard's or your interpretation of the Bridge or what it does or should do to someone. It did what it did to me and I am jolly happy for it, belly laughs included. As for awareness levels and such... don't care, really. I had a blast. Still do

If you were here right now, I would hug you, though.
:

That's good to hear.

Incidentally, do you plan to do any more Bridge actions, such as OT 9, 10, 11, etc., if they're ever released?, or Super Power if it's released? or perhaps the Ls?

 

[Isene]

That's good to hear.

Do you plan to do any more Bridge actions, such as OT 9, 10, 11, etc., if they're ever released?, or Super Power if its released? or perhaps the Ls?

Read the OP link.

 

[Veda]

Read the OP link.

You could just as easily have answered the questions here, but I guess you'd rather not.

 

[Isene]

You could just as easily have answered the questions here, but I guess you'd rather not.

Why just jump iinto the discussion without even bothering to read the OP?

 

[ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn]

Actually, I agree with Geir.

The argument "You could have gotten that elsewhere" would only apply if you said "I need apples. I have to drive up about four counties to get them." and person says, "Jesus. There's a really nice fruitstand right around the corner from you."

Now, if you already have the apples- and maybe you went through hell and high water to get them, but you have them, you've got them in your crisper bin in the fridge, you've made applesauce, you've made pies, you've jarred, canned, frozen, dried some for later- you've got all kinds and you say "Hey, I had to go through hell to get these damn things. I had to drive 200 miles, but look at all the pies and stuff I have." and the person says "you could have gone around the corner." the appropriate response would be:

"Ah, but I didn't know that at the time. The apples have already been bought. I am enjoying them. I'm glad many places carry them and that means I'll know for next time."

If I was looking for apples and a real nice fruit stand just around the corner was selling apples I'd purchase them and wouldn't think twice or care if I could have gotten a better deal elsewhere.

But if that real nice fruit stand just around the corner was advertising apples and substituted them with some silly ass role playing game after I paid for them.

I wouldn't pretend I received apples and we happy about it,

and the same goes for Scientology.

Obviously there are a few people who are okay with, and enjoy playing Hubbard's Role Playing Game.

I for one wouldn't have given Scientology a second thought if I understood what it was all about before I got involved.

I'm really not interested in getting involved in role playing games now, nor was I back then.

 

[The Anabaptist Jacques]

If I was looking for apples and a real nice fruit stand just around the corner was selling apples I'd purchase them and wouldn't think twice or care if I could have gotten a better deal elsewhere.

But if that real nice fruit stand just around the corner was advertising apples and substituted them with some silly ass role playing game after I paid for them.

I wouldn't pretend I received apples and we happy about,

and the same goes for Scientology.

Obviously there are a few people who are okay with, and enjoy playing Hubbard's Role Playing Game.

I for one wouldn't have given Scientology a second thought if I understood what it was all about before I got involved.

I'm really not interested in getting involved in role playing games now, nor was I back then.

Well said.

So how do you like them apples!!!!

The Anabaptist Jacques

 

[Veda]

Why just jump iinto the discussion without even bothering to read the OP?

Fine. You still want to do the Ls and more OT levels.


When you're done with those, here's the antecedent for Hubbard's 'Route One':

'Batrachophrenoboocosmomachia', published in 1913, by Crowley in the 'Equinox'. It's an exercise that includes spanning attention, visualization (mock ups), specialized mock ups, where a person attempts to place a mock up of the same size, etc., as a physical object, in the same space as the physical object, and projection of consciousness through the solar system.

It even warns about avoiding what amounts to "overrun."

(Note: "Nuit" - as used in the below link - roughly equates to "Infinity.")

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=4696&postcount=6

http://www.the-equinox.org/vol1/no10/eqi10004.html (back up link)

Permeating, as in filling/feeling ("Havingness") the heliosphere (solar aura) is, itself, an interesting exercise.

Handy navigational aid: http://www.nasa.gov/vision/universe/solarsystem/voyager-interstellar-terms.html

"The Great Work is the raising of the whole man to the power of infinity."

From 'Magick in Theory and Practice'


Crowley's most concise explanation of Yoga:

"Sit still. Stop thinking. Shut up. Get out!"


Quoting from John Symonds and Kenneth Grant, who were editors of some of Crowley's writings. Regarding 'Batra', above:

"[It] deals with the magical practice of expanding consciousness to the stars and the planets.

"The word 'Batrachophrenoboocosmomachia' is made up of the Greek words for Frog Mind Ox World Battle, and is a play on the title of the Homeric mock epic, the 'Batrachophrenoboocosmomachia' or 'Battle of the Frogs and Mice'. The idea behind the use of this barbarous name, 'Batra', etc. - that is, in pronunciation or vibration - is that it is supposed to create a sense of vertigo in which the mind is freed from its ordinary bounds. Consciousness - so the theory goes - is exalted to infinity by this method."

The solar system does have its own atmosphere, of sort, and there would seem to be many interacting atmospheres. IMO, it would be beneficial to the human psyche to begin to see the solar system, and its atmosphere, as the immediate environment, rather than just the thin film of livable atmosphere of several miles in which we as human beings dwell.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqRQ_93kFKs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqDtUG7RFmI&feature=fvst

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdNDIz1W6f0

One aspect of the solar system's atmosphere, which anyone can perceive from Earth, is that bright stars (being outside the solar atmosphere) become invisible at dawn and at dusk, while the planets (Mercury [sometimes], Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn), while less bright than the brightest stars, remain visible.

This is an effect worth observing, as it brings home the existence of the solar atmosphere. The planets, being inside that atmosphere are perceivable while the stars outside are not.

Strangely enough, people seem to have their own atmospheres - chakras and auras and such:

http://www.the-auras-expert.com/images/aura-and-chakras.jpg
http://realpowercoaching.com/images/Aura_Chakra.jpg
http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/arts/2005/03/10/crumb_fri_seven.jpg
http://www.egos.co.za/ProdImages/aura-chakra.jpg

Have fun!

 

[Isene]

I'm really not interested in getting involved in role playing games now, nor was I back then.

woot??

 

[ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn]

woot??

Well that makes sense, at least now I can understand your affinity for Hubbard's Role Playing Game,

and if he marketed it as a role playing game and have absolutely no problem with it,

I'd even be happy for those who found pleasure indulging in it.

I was just hoping it had something to do with that "Owner's Manual Of The Human Mind' thingee that he talked about, as many others were hoping for too.

 

[Mark A. Baker]

It doesn't matter who else does it. ...

It does where it is being offered up as evidence of the faults of scientology. Since it is a fault not noticeably more common among scientologists than among other groups it can not reasonably be attributed as arising from scientology.


Mark A. Baker

 

[Mark A. Baker]

That is more than one standard: ("...and the other ways in which they are paying ..")

Saw it. Statement stands as made.


Mark A. Baker

 

[The Anabaptist Jacques]

It does where it is being offered up as evidence of the faults of scientology. Since it is a fault not noticeably more common among scientologists than among other groups it can not reasonably be attributed as arising from scientology.


Mark A. Baker

Her point was not that Scientology is as bad as the others.

Her point is that Scientology has a double standard with regards to evidence.

The Anabaptist Jacques

 

[Mimsey Borogrove]

Aren't they all dealing with double standards? I was reading a medical blog a few months ago and they were giving all kinds of crap for the Gerson method, they had a really closed attitude that their medical tech was the only tech that handled cancer. They sounded exactly like Scio's with the Hubbard's got it all taped BS. They absolutely would not accept any statistics that alternative meds would work at all.

Mimsey

 

[Mark A. Baker]

Her point was not that Scientology is as bad as the others.

Her point is that Scientology has a double standard with regards to evidence.

The Anabaptist Jacques

Hubbard certainly did and the church has carried on very much in the same way. But that is not true of all who profess some interest in the subject of scientology. None of us here are inclined to accept such an approach.


Mark A. Baker