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France: Scientology appeal trial Nov. 3 - Dec. 1, 2011

Discussion in 'France and Belgium' started by mnql1, May 9, 2011.

  1. thetanbuster

    thetanbuster Patron

    Unlike some Americans, I have always liked France. I really like this prosecutor, though.
  2. mnql1

    mnql1 Patron Meritorious

    Translation of an excerpt from a French article posted on Nov. 24, 2011 on the website:
    Scientologie : 1,5 million d'euros d'amende requis en appel
  3. mnql1

    mnql1 Patron Meritorious

    Translation of an excerpt from a French article posted on Nov. 24, 2011 on the website of Le nouvel observateur:
    Peines aggravées requises en appel contre la Scientologie
    Last edited: Nov 24, 2011
  4. Operating DB

    Operating DB Truman Show Dropout

    I'm surprised there wasn't a counter protest by the Anons.
  5. Albion

    Albion Patron with Honors

    First instalment of appeal trial coverage
    up at Infinite Complacency: after the
    prosecution summary, now back to
    chronological account. This only deals
    with the run-up to appeal.
    Last edited: Jan 23, 2012
  6. Albion

    Albion Patron with Honors

    I've posted a couple of more sections in
    my delayed coverage of last year's appeal
    trial, but I don't I'll be able to finish the
    write-up before Thursday, when the court's
    judgment is due. A week sleeping off a cold and
    my laptop giving up the ghost ate into my writing

    The first filing covers mainly the procedural
    motions by defence lawyers trying to get the
    case dismissed or at least delayed:

    The second covers the major battle that erupted
    over the bid by the counter cult group UNADFI to
    be admitted as plaintiffs in the case. At stake was
    maintaining the lawyer Oliver Morice, who had the
    most knowledge of Scientology, in the trial, as his
    other client had settled with the movement and
    withdrawn from the appeal stage of the case.

    Jonny Jacobsen
    Infinite Complacency
  7. Albion

    Albion Patron with Honors

  8. Albion

    Albion Patron with Honors

    Some people new to the case have been asking where is the best
    place to go for a summary of the story so far.

    Rather than wade through my early coverage of the original trial, a good place
    to start is my analysis of the original judgment against Scientology, which is what
    they are appealing in this trial: Reviewing the Paris Judgment.

    For a summary of those original convictions, see: The Court's Ruling.

    Then there's Preparing the Ground, which sets the scene for appeal trial.


    Jonny Jacobsen
  9. Albion

    Albion Patron with Honors

    Last edited: Feb 1, 2012
  10. PannonPan

    PannonPan Patron

    French court upholds Scientology fraud conviction :clap:

    PARIS (AP) — A French appeals court on Thursday upheld the Church of Scientology's 2009 fraud conviction on charges it pressured members into paying large sums for questionable remedies.
    The case began with a legal complaint by a young woman who said she took out loans and spent the equivalent of €21,000 ($28,000) on books, courses and "purification packages" after being recruited in 1998. When she sought reimbursement and to leave the group, its leadership refused to allow either. She was among three eventual plaintiffs.
    Karin Pouw, a spokeswoman for the church in Los Angeles, denounced Thursday's decision, calling it a "miscarriage of justice."
    She said the group would appeal the decision to the Court of Cassation and plans to bring a complaint to the European Court of Human Rights. Another complaint in pending with a U.N. special rapporteur.
    During the appeals process, the prosecution had asked for the church to be fined at least €1 million ($1.3 million) and its bookstore €500,000. But the appeals court on Thursday instead ordered the same fines as the trial court, €400,000 ($530,000) for the church and €200,000 for its bookstore.
    In the original trial, prosecutors had tried to get the group disbanded in France, but the court declined even to take the lesser step of shutting down its operations, saying that French Scientologists would have continued their activities anyway.
    "The environment in the court was so prejudicial that defense attorneys walked out of the proceedings in protest, refusing as a matter of conscience to participate in proceedings that had degenerated into a charade," Pouw said by phone.
    While Scientology is recognized as a religion in the U.S., Sweden and Spain, it is not considered one under French law.
    Founded in 1954 by science fiction writer L. Ron Hubbard, the church teaches that technology can expand the mind and help solve problems. It claims 10 million members around the world, including celebrity devotees Tom Cruise and John Travolta.
    Belgium, Germany and other European countries have been criticized by the U.S. State Department for labeling Scientology as a cult or sect and enacting laws to restrict its operations.
  11. PannonPan

    PannonPan Patron

    A reminder of the original trial convictions, fines and sentences ...

    1. GUILTY Alain Rosenberg. 2 years prison (suspended) 30,000E fine *+
    2. GUILTY Didier Michaux 18months Prison (suspended) 20,000E fine *
    3. GUILTY Jean-François Valli 18months Prison (suspended) 10,000E fine *
    4. GUILTY Sabine Jacquart 10months Prison (suspended) 5,000E fine *+
    5. GUILTY Aline Fabre 2,000E fine ~
    6. GUILTY Marie Anne Pasturel 1,000E fine ~
    7. GUILTY Celebrity Centre 400,000E fine * Ordered to publish details of judgment.
    8. GUILTY Scientology Bookstore 200,000E fine * Ordered to publish details of judgment.
    * = organized fraud
    + = complicity in the illegal exercise of pharmacy
    ~ = illegal exercise of pharmacy
    Note: (7) & (8 ) are ordered to pay for the details of the conviction to be published in the major French and English-language news outlets including Le Monde, Le Figaro, Libération, the Herald Tribune and Time Magazine – and their websites.
    Other individual orders and penalties such as for damages and costs awarded to the plaintiffs add further 27,450 Euros to the total.
  12. Magoo

    Magoo Gold Meritorious Patron

    France Rocks the Boat and WINS!

    Just in............France has had a huge success in Appeals.
    Please look at this. My congratulations to ALL who have been
    working on this. Oh! This is *huge*. :happydance: :woohoo:

    The Appeal Court Judgment

    The Court of Appeal in Paris confirmed the convictions of the two Scientology organisations for organised fraud; and of five Scientologists appealing convictions for organised fraud and the illegal practice of pharmacy.

    My best to all, and DM: Tick Tock, Tick Tock: Happy Thursday before 2:00
    For all of us! :cheers: And If you're lurking: Don't forget 2 things:
    1) :scnsucks:
    2) L Ron Hubbard's Final Policy:
    The Way OUT *IS* The Neeeeeeeeeeearest
    Hey! He took it, why not YOU? :biggrin:

  13. Magoo

    Magoo Gold Meritorious Patron

    Re: France Rocks the Boat and WINS!

    organized fraud and the illegal practice of pharmacy.

    I know for me, having Epilepsy and routed out of their Sea Organization, told I *had* to get off of my medication (with a letter from L Ron Hubbard saying I was right, I did NOT have to pay their exorbitant Free Loaders :bs: Debt- I just had to pay for "Staff Status One and Two" and "continue on in the HGC and once that's handled (Epilepsy) we'll see you up the line".

    I fought them for 20+ Y E A R S re medicine, and being sold Auditing to
    "fix" it. So yes, this is HUGE for *me* personally and IF anyone in France
    needs a witness to this decision, I'm here for you.

    I'll even testify IF you fly me there *and* get me some yummy French food
    (J/Kidding) :biggrin:

    I'm so, sooooooooooooooooo happy.:happydance:

    Great job to ALL who helped on this one.

  14. mnql1

    mnql1 Patron Meritorious

    Re: France Rocks the Boat and WINS!

    Translation of an excerpt from an interview with Valeska Paris posted on Feb. 2, 2012 on the website of French daily Le Parisien:

    Une ancienne scientologue : «J’ai perdu tout un pan de ma vie»
    ("Former Scientologist: "I lost a whole part of my life")

  15. Pooks


    Scientology in France: Still Guilty of Fraud

    "​Big news this morning out of a French appeals court, where a decision was handed down regarding Scientology's 2009 conviction for fraud.

    "Scientology watchers around the world have been keeping an eye on the proceedings, which were wild and woolly: in November, Scientology's entire contingent of attorneys and defendants stormed out of the courtroom, complaining about how the case was proceeding."

    more at:
    Last edited: Feb 2, 2012
  16. Infinite

    Infinite Troublesome Internet Fringe Dweller



    Can't help myself, sorry folks, its that time again . . . happy dance!!!


    Whew! That's better.
  17. mnql1

    mnql1 Patron Meritorious

    Translation of a French article posted on Feb. 2, 2012:
    "Les jours de la Scientologie sont comptés", selon le président de la Miviludes
  18. Albion

    Albion Patron with Honors

    I've got a summary of the judgment with some
    reaction up at Infinite Complacency.

    Jonny Jacobsen
  19. mnql1

    mnql1 Patron Meritorious

    Translation of a French article posted on Feb. 3, 2012 on the website of the daily newspaper Le Parisien:
    Paris : la maire du XVIIe réclame la fermeture du centre de Scientologie
  20. Albion

    Albion Patron with Honors

    Picking up on some of the above items, I've finally got around
    to posting an analysis on the aftermath of the appeal court

    Leading opponents of Scientology say the Paris appeal court
    convictions of two of its organisations mark the beginning of the
    end for the movement in France. It this is no idle threat.


    Jonny Jacobsen
    Infinite Complacency
    Last edited: Mar 30, 2012