byte301
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Makes sense to me HH.
Makes sense to me HH.
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Hey bye301!
It could get more interesting....
No doubt, COB is contemplating the optimum move on this chess board.
What COB would instinctively love to do is to use Heber to drive a dagger into Rathbun. But every move for both Rathbun and Miscavige has counter moves and perils. It gets dangerous at this stage to make mistakes in a highly visible game of one-upsmanship.
If DM orchestrates "Heber The Loyal Officer" (i.e. Heber comes out saying he loves DM & the Church, he hates the squirrel serial-assaulter Rathbun...) it can backfire on Rathbun that he has been promoting Heber as a good guy.
In that scenario, what does Rathbun do? Probably write a compelling blog (compelling to his dedicated-glare congregation) that DM "did a number on Heber" and now "We really need to Free Heber--Now More than Ever!")
Or he could just write him off as a victim of out-tech, reverse auditing and intimidation by COB the SP. It is probably not that risky for Rathbun because he can spin it if Heber turns on him...and even though that would be a weak "fix" for a normal person, it is very sellable to the super-gullible Scientologists that are mimicking Marty's every move, thought and written BlogScripture.
For Miscavige, if Heber emerges virulently anti-COB, anti-COS, then we can expect to see a broadly issued, slick attack piece with a headline reading: "THE STORY OF A SQUIRREL PART II". No doubt, somewhere in that tome, Heber will be discovered to "the darling of the psychs".
And loyal Scientologists will shake their head in disbelief a moment before nodding their heads in belief.
Heber is a cool card to watch and see how he is played.
Cuz, for damn sure, Heber is not playing the Heber card himself.
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That helps a lot and make such a difference
Someone who is out of the trap like you
Thanks so much Hellu
I am wondering if the reason some of my posts ruffled so many feathers on this thread is that word....... DESERVE.
Let me illustrate a little.
* A person who parties too much DESERVES a hangover. (i.e. it is the natural consequence of his actions and therefore appropriate that he feels physical and mental discomfort. It's part of the human signaling mechanism to warn of toxicity levels that are antipathetic to health)
* A person who gambles his paychecks away in a casino DESERVES to have his car repossessed for being long in default. (i.e. his irresponsible treatment of his money triggers the loss of his automobile, an event that he sorely merits--and which will actually help him in the long run).
* A person who chronically is late to work as an emergency room technician DESERVES to be fired (i.e. to not endanger human life).
Now Heber is where he is because he used his power and intelligence to help build the crazy cult trap that he became ensnared in. He DESERVES to be caught in a cruel human rights violating trap because that is the natural order of what happens when you mess around with traps. I didn't make it up or will it to happen. Heber gets the medals and all the praise for goofing the floof on that one.
I do not wish him to be either IN or OUT OF the trap. That is his decision. Some folks like crazy and oppressive relationships, groups or jobs.
My biggest single "cog" during/after leaving Scientology was that I am not a planet saver nor a universe salvager. It simply is not my role to "save" people. I do it when i can and go out of my way to try and help if I think I can make a difference.
But, I don't owe my life to anyone who has made horrific decisions that got them into deep shit, like Heber.
I am not complicit in his screw up. Scientology teachings would disagree and say that I am fully "responsible" for everything.
Whether that is true or not, I am happy to be an irresponsible, complicit guy rather than an unhappy guy who is forced to be a planet saver.
Being assigned to planetary salvage, I find, is a total buzz killer.
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Thanks so much Hellu
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Working with Scientology is like trying to doing something in a mirror. You have to think and do it backwards.
If Heber asks me my opinion, of course I would like to see him look at the truth and make his own decision (which would provide an instant exit from the cult).
However.....I cannot decide for him.
And what I am going to tell you now will really make you throw down a few hundred of those cute little icons of the guy slapping himself in the forhead! LOL. Cuz......
Some people are better left IN Scientology.
People like David Miscavich.
They do exponentially more damage on the inside than would ever be possible as an ex-Scientologist.
Heber, in his prime, was a lying, gesticulating buffoon on behalf of Scientology. It was wonderful having him there. Same with Tommy Davis. I would pray that Tommy does not blow yet while he is still posted and setting world records for footbulletry.
The ones that are particularly insane, inept and unaware of their own laughable ClownTech are the ones that are good to keep on the inside.
Get it?
JBTrendy
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INSIDE CSI or XCSI?
Make sense but I'ld rather have them in jail
The Loved ones we left inside would truly appreciate that if they only knew
Working with Scientology is like trying to doing something in a mirror. You have to think and do it backwards.
If Heber asks me my opinion, of course I would like to see him look at the truth and make his own decision (which would provide an instant exit from the cult).
However.....I cannot decide for him.
And what I am going to tell you now will really make you throw down a few hundred of those cute little icons of the guy slapping himself in the forhead! LOL. Cuz......
Some people are better left IN Scientology.
People like David Miscavich.
They do exponentially more damage on the inside than would ever be possible as an ex-Scientologist.
Heber, in his prime, was a lying, gesticulating buffoon on behalf of Scientology. It was wonderful having him there. Same with Tommy Davis. I would pray that Tommy does not blow yet while he is still posted and setting world records for footbulletry.
The ones that are particularly insane, inept and unaware of their own laughable ClownTech are the ones that are good to keep on the inside.
Get it?
Make sense but I'ld rather have them in jail
The Loved ones we left inside would truly appreciate that if they only knew
I told you I was trouble
Suspended animation
Working with Scientology is like trying to doing something in a mirror. You have to think and do it backwards.
If Heber asks me my opinion, of course I would like to see him look at the truth and make his own decision (which would provide an instant exit from the cult).
However.....I cannot decide for him.
And what I am going to tell you now will really make you throw down a few hundred of those cute little icons of the guy slapping himself in the forhead! LOL. Cuz......
Some people are better left IN Scientology.
People like David Miscavich.
They do exponentially more damage on the inside than would ever be possible as an ex-Scientologist.
Heber, in his prime, was a lying, gesticulating buffoon on behalf of Scientology. It was wonderful having him there. Same with Tommy Davis. I would pray that Tommy does not blow yet while he is still posted and setting world records for footbulletry.
The ones that are particularly insane, inept and unaware of their own laughable ClownTech are the ones that are good to keep on the inside.
Get it?
Got it.
Thrak
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Make sense but I'ld rather have them in jail
The Loved ones we left inside would truly appreciate that if they only knew
Can you teach us to say footbullet in French JB?
SchwimmelPuckel
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I think Mr.Rathbun is just stirring the pot with this magnifiscent 'Free Heber' drive... Well, it's a good PR caper too!
But, as has been mentioned. Heber will likely not want to be freed.. We don't know..
I'm all for the Police asking him though.. Say.. If the Police would regularly find the RPF's and make surprize visits, offering everybody a ride out..
I can't imagine Scientology opposing that?
But, as has been mentioned. Heber will likely not want to be freed.. We don't know..
I'm all for the Police asking him though.. Say.. If the Police would regularly find the RPF's and make surprize visits, offering everybody a ride out..
I can't imagine Scientology opposing that?
Thrak
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Oh yes, who could forget Heber's superior PR skills?
And he can bore a goat to death just by looking at it.
Good old Heber...
He seems like the kind of guy who probably thought going to prison was the greatest thing ever. Look at that look on his face as he's being lead to his cell. I think he really dug the role of being a martyr or being religiously oppressed. Too bad he was to dumb to realize he was being a martyr for Mussolini.
Blue Spirit
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NAZI ?
It would seem to me that Heber in working for a Nazi for too long and
resisting the Nazi mentality (HATE) for too long has become one himself.
There was something I read on the Net a while back from a CIA guy who was
dying that gave a list of CIA informants, Heber and DM where on that list.
If Heber wanted to leave there he could arrange it. Plenty of guns there.
In summation, forget Heber, a sad story.
It would seem to me that Heber in working for a Nazi for too long and
resisting the Nazi mentality (HATE) for too long has become one himself.
There was something I read on the Net a while back from a CIA guy who was
dying that gave a list of CIA informants, Heber and DM where on that list.
If Heber wanted to leave there he could arrange it. Plenty of guns there.
In summation, forget Heber, a sad story.
Terril park
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You have a problem with Heber dishing dirt where it should be dished?
Look to simplicities not complicated and weird conspiracy theories.
Voltaire's Child
Fool on the Hill
I kinda see (maybe) where Hoaxie's going with this. It would be a real feather in ANY "camp", so to speak, if Heber were to defect to it...
Smilla
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You are very goodthinkful, Terril.
byte301
Crusader
I'm a BAD person.
When I read your post I just thought, "God, please don'tlet him defect to ESMB!" lol
When he wasn't boring the crap out of me he was acting the fool on Giraldo throwing books on the floor, etc. Sooo embarrising.
Voltaire's Child
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I'm a BAD person.
When I read your post I just thought, "God, please don'tlet him defect to ESMB!" lol
When he wasn't boring the crap out of me he was acting the fool on Giraldo throwing books on the floor, etc. Sooo embarrising.
well, yeah, there is that. But think of all the damaging and damning stuff he knows...
Goodthink, a term from Nineteen Eighty-Four by George Orwell, is a Newspeak word signifying a set of thoughts and beliefs that is in accordance with those established by the Party.
In the rules of Newspeak, the noun stem (which also serves as a verb) can become the adjective goodthinkful, the adverb goodthinkwise, the past participle goodthinked, and the gerund goodthinking. Additionally, one who is "goodthinkful" is referred to as a goodthinker.
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