Free Heber!!

[Ned Kelly]

A couple of points as to my own view of 'Save Heber!':

I am in favor of removing every person in the captivity of Scientology from that captivity.

I'm especially in favor of eliminating the captivity of the aged and infirm and people being held captive against their will. (note; I'm also in favor of ending the captivity of those held by their own will, but, not as urgently)

I'm opposed to any attempt to revise history or rehabilitate the 'reputation' of any of those captives, even if it's done with the supposed 'good intention' of rallying the troops, marketing a movement for 'freedom' or serve as a justification for any cynical or naive 'new organization'.

I will not be a part of any 'movement' organized by 'leaders' whose motives and methods are unclear or in opposition to my own.

In some rare circumstances I might well support some groups or individuals in specific actions without thereby implying my support for their program as a whole. Example; if Marty Rathbun or Mike Rinder or Heber call for a criminal investigation of the 'Church' of Scientology and/or its officers and management I would support that call, without implying my support for them as individuals or their other agenda.

Zinj

Gotta agree with you on this Zinj. Clearly articulates my views exactly.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Which ones?Advanced Procedures and Axioms had this to say about it: "Whatever occurs to one is actually his own responsibility, as the student will realize as soon as he re-evaluates the factors involved and as soon as he sees the enormous effect of this process."
That is a far cry from being totally responsible for everything everywhere.
In fact, you CAN'T be responsible for someone else according to this, unless it is agreed to. Which could lead to an interesting discussion about whether it is really possible for another to "die for ones sins"....

but that might be a buzz killer too.

Yeah, Scientology concepts of "responsibility" and "pan determinism" are simply repackaged ropes, gags, blinders, handcuffs and shackles with noble sounding names.

No matter what happens, you are the cause (blame). And thus it is that your life transforms into one continuous amends-project that is only interrupted by breaks to sleep or earn money to pay for your captivity.

Scientology is the only buzz killer in the universe where everyone's buzz is killed. (and for no extra charge, Scn not only kills your buzz, but also your buzz-maker).

 

[Ned Kelly]

Of course it is. It is abhorrent to all of us. No argument there.

However, when it comes to a campaign to "save" one of the few who put that group there in the first place, taking precedence over the campaign to save others who didn't, it's a different story.

Yep I agree with this.

Just because I did not agree with Bush's war on Iraq does not therefore mean that I agree with either parties positions or that I am willing to join in the fray.

Same goes for the Free Heber campaign. I am not advocating one way or the other whether people should support the campaign or not - that is their decision. But I do not condone any form of inhumane treatment, no matter how evil the recipient may be.

 

[AnonKat]

indeed inhumane treatment that's the point

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

But I do no condone any form of inhumane treatment, no matter how evil the recipient may be.

Scientology specializes in In-Humane treatment.

That is the tech to elevate a human to a homo novis.

Becuz if you treat people like humans, they will act like humans.

And that is bad, it is written in scripture.

Please stand now to applaud the looney con man in the photograph dressed in a naval outfit.

 

[Zinjifar]

Free Kein Hoden!!!

Zinj

 

[AnonKat]

Free Kein Hoden!!!

Zinj

what ?

 

[thetanic]

New MR post about Heber.

 

[Zinjifar]

New MR post about Heber.

I can see it now;

'You're on Drugs! What drugs are you on Marty! You hate us because we get people off Drugs!!! Can I have some of your Drugs???'

Zinj

 

[AnonKat]

I can see it now;

'You're on Drugs! What drugs are you on Marty! You hate us because we get people off Drugs!!! Can I have some of your Drugs???'

Zinj

if you are honest you hate it that you are not the center point of this thread

 

[Zinjifar]

if you are honest you hate it that you are not the center point of this thread

You forgot to mention that not being the center of attention makes me all poopy pants

Zinj

 

[AnonKat]

You forgot to mention that not being the center of attention makes me all poopy pants

Zinj

lol, i just want that base cracked open so dm goes poopy pants too

 

[Dulloldfart]

New MR post about Heber.

That's fair enough. If Marty accomplishes what he says, then we can all see with our own eyes whether or not Heber is alive and well and in a maximum-security prison in his own mind.

Paul

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Free Kein Hoden!!!

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SPOT THE OUTPOINT!

ANSWER: There are still a few remaining square inches that Heber failed to fill with symbols, emblems and badges proving he is holy man.

 

[Zinjifar]

(psst, the guy next to heber is Ken Hoden, former E/D of Int Base/Gold. Former Heber jailer; now also missing)

Kein Hoden was our 'kosename' for him. Now more than ever. But, the hands *are* synchronous

Zinj

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Perfectly ironic, isn't it....

Rathbun is trying to spark a grassroots "FREE HEBER" movement, elevating him to a folk hero.

But, he doesn't really intend to free Heber at all.

Just re-locate him to an Ideal Internment Camp marketed as the 'Independent Bridge'.

I never marched like a cult freak chanting "Not one thin dime for Wallersheim" and I sure as hell ain't marching in this faux protest either.

Seems that the tolerance for Scientologists (and even some Ex-Scientologists) is inestimably vast for getting repeatedly suckered by the same old hokey "help & freedom" pitch.

My protest placard on this one reads: "Not one bit of slime from the cult of crime" .

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

And why does Rathbun want Heber?

Cuz Heber is a trophy.

A promo piece waiting to happen.

A magic marketing bullet called "the former President of the Church of Scientology" which he can leverage for a fresh round of media exposure.

Marty is like a Hollywood agent trying to woo a movie star from another agency.

If Heber signs with Marty Management Int'l, Marty gets his cut on everything Heber does.

It solidifies Marty's positioning. He gets to call the shots with media. Heber becomes his card to play. It's a good move.

Lucky for Marty, Scientologists (like movie-goers) are willing to suspend disbelief any time you put them in a dark room and show them pretty pictures.

 

[JBTrendy]

A PRO WORLD

2RON2

Total Amnisty for all now and then

Yeah Hallu like this Floyd dark side of the moon magnificient US & Them

Or Lennon singing in New York naked in bed lets give peace a chance.

All we are doing is give peace a peace

All of us

Let's give peace a chance

All2U

 

[Type4_PTS]

And why does Rathbun want Heber?

He needs a good PR guy. And if he got Heber into HIS camp I believe many from the CoS would follow. What could DM do at that point, Declare Heber an SP? I'm sure that most of those in the CoS (that have been around when Heber was Pres) have much more love for Heber than they do DM.
Then when going back to take over the CoS they can put Heber back on post as Pres, or the new and improved COB. Even if just a figurehead post it would establish credibility.

Let's give peace a chance

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

2RON2
----snip---
Lennon singing in New York naked in bed lets give peace a chance.All we are doing is give peace a peace

All of us

Let's give peace a chance

HellYeah!

...when I was marching in anti-Vietnam war protests, I chanted "Give Peace A Chance!"

...when I was donated to Amnesty International I believed in "Give Peace A Chance!"

... when I saw Lennon naked in bed singing, I was inspired to "Give Peace A Chance!"

...When I saw Hubbard naked in bed singing a song from "The Road To Freedom" I decided to "Give War on Scientology A Chance!"​

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