Freezone bitching post

[Terril park]

Is there more than one in the FZ?

We don't need more carrots in the sky. We don't need another elite group presenting secret "OT levels" available at gradually increasing prices.

The FZ needs to be a place where the tech is open.

The numbers on the OT levels are a bit of a farce anyway. People are different. After OT8 the bridge becomes different for everyone. Perhaps before.

The cookie cutter bridge with its one size fits all isn't going to work. Each person's case above OT8 will need personally addressing and a program worked out with them along their own particular lines of interest.

You wish to humiliate Pierre Class XII. That can be handled on FPRD.

You both behaved disgracefully on forums. Opterm city. Pierre has tried to reconcile. He and me did. Also he and most in the FZ. He has also stated that wish on this forum as well.

You tell me on a public forum that I should touch walls to find the physical universe or whatever. Yet you got me through OT 2& 3.

This implies

1] That you did gross out tech

2] That you did gross inval to a former client.

Take your pick!

You have knowledge and ability. However you are currently operating on a big ser fac to make Pierre wrong. Cos he made you wrong.

I'm not privy to the comm between you where this all went pear shaped.

Pierre is incredibly busy now, and doing full time tech with great results.

He has several class XIIs as mentors and co-auditors.

You operate alone and have had no auditing other than solo for decades
last I knew. There are issues on the problems inherent in that scenario.

You need to find a Mentor/Terminal. Look to expansion and not dwell on old wounds.

 

[Ralph Hilton]

Replying to Terril ...

I find the quote facilities on web site forums a bit limited so I’ll revert to what I’m used to.

>You wish to humiliate Pierre Class XII. That can be handled on FPRD.

I must admit that after he attacked me on the 13th of Febrary 2004 on my list I did wish subject him to many lifetimes of public floggings.

>You both behaved disgracefully on forums. Opterm city. Pierre has tried to reconcile. He and me did. >Also he and most in the FZ. He has also stated that wish on this forum as well.

As a Class 12 he could have been aware that his post mentioned above would bypass considerable charge and it did. With an awareness of the tech also comes about an ability to restimulate others very deeply. We did it to each other.

>You tell me on a public forum that I should touch walls to find the physical universe or whatever. Yet >you got me through OT 2& 3.

>This implies

>1] That you did gross out tech

>2] That you did gross inval to a former client.

>Take your pick!

I was just dramatizing. No need to take it personally.

>You have knowledge and ability. However you are currently operating on a big ser fac to make Pierre wrong. Cos he made you wrong.

The actual charge is way beyond ser facs which are just minor locks of the charge created by 2 beings holding absolutes in present time.

>I'm not privy to the comm between you where this all went pear shaped.

If its ok with Pierre then I’ll send you a zip file of all our correspondence.

>Pierre is incredibly busy now, and doing full time tech with great results.

>He has several class XIIs as mentors and co-auditors.

Why don’t they come out in the open?

>You operate alone and have had no auditing other than solo for decades
>last I knew. There are issues on the problems inherent in that scenario.

>You need to find a Mentor/Terminal. Look to expansion and not dwell on old wounds.

I don’t operate alone. I have a lovely lady who listens and acknowledges a lot of my crap. I have a good friend Alan who has spent hours on the phone from Texas with me. Recently Vinay appeared and with his excellent TRs helped as-is quite a lot.

 

[Bea Kiddo]

C'Mon guys. Resolve with PMs, emails or phone calls. You dont have to be spreading all this on a message board. Its just tacky.

I have qualms. I resolve them PRIVATELY. Please?

 

[Emma]

I've moved these posts and created a new thread (as you can see).

You FZers want to come here and bitch & carry on, at least you can do it in this section instead of ruining other good threads.

The Ralph/Terril/Pierre saga now has a home.

 

[Ralph Hilton]

Hi Bea,
What did I say that was bad?

 

[Ralph Hilton]

I've moved these posts and created a new thread (as you can see).

You FZers want to come here and bitch & carry on, at least you can do it in this section instead of ruining other good threads.

The Ralph/Terril/Pierre saga now has a home.

Actually the bitching was isolated to its own threads. Putting it in Terril's success story sandbox was itself being a bit bitchy don't you think?

 

[Bea Kiddo]

Hi Bea,
What did I say that was bad?

Its nothing you said really. Its that its being posted HERE, instead of resolving it directly with Pierre. You are talking in 3rd person. Thats all. Speak directly with him.

Use Vinnaire as a buffer, he is volunteering (for a fee).

No hard feelings, I hope?

I have nothing against either of you.

 

[Emma]

Actually the bitching was isolated to its own threads. Putting it in Terril's success story sandbox was itself being a bit bitchy don't you think?

Actually this batch of bitching was snipped from the "Questions for Rinder" thread.

And yes, it was bitchy to put it here.

Can you take a hint?

 

[Ralph Hilton]

I can see that you reserve the right to be bitchy. I thought I just before posted something nice about you. Maybe you missed it.

 

[nexus100]

Actually this batch of bitching was snipped from the "Questions for Rinder" thread.

And yes, it was bitchy to put it here.

Can you take a hint?

Thank you for putting it here Emma, or I would have missed it. A world without ANY slash and burn is dull dull dull. That is why art exists, and I'm surprised that there isn't more discussion about what fire and legend people create. Maybe it is Hubbard's godawful art PL's or bulletins or whatever they were, which would put anyone off the subject.

 

[Vinaire]

Thank you for putting it here Emma, or I would have missed it. A world without ANY slash and burn is dull dull dull. That is why art exists, and I'm surprised that there isn't more discussion about what fire and legend people create. Maybe it is Hubbard's godawful art PL's or bulletins or whatever they were, which would put anyone off the subject.

I would like to see bitching as an art.

Can we have a contest?

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[Voltaire's Child]

We used to have a bitching post.

Then, people got upset at others for actually bitching on it.

It was then suggested that maybe we don't have a bitching post since it appeared to be problematic, even with the sticky posted about it.

So then the bitching post was removed.

And now we have another one.

We Are Not Amused.

 

[Alanzo]

We used to have a bitching post.

Then, people got upset at others for actually bitching on it.

It was then suggested that maybe we don't have a bitching post since it appeared to be problematic, even with the sticky posted about it.

So then the bitching post was removed.

And now we have another one.

We Are Not Amused.

You were the one to request that it be removed.

 

[Vinaire]

We used to have a bitching post.

Then, people got upset at others for actually bitching on it.

It was then suggested that maybe we don't have a bitching post since it appeared to be problematic, even with the sticky posted about it.

So then the bitching post was removed.

And now we have another one.

We Are Not Amused.

Enforced bitching post will always be trouble.

Let it come to be naturally. It will wax and wane.

.

 

[Bea Kiddo]

Enforced bitching post will always be trouble.

Let it come to be naturally. It will wax and wane.

.

About your contest: Are you gonna set the rules? Be the ref? Keep score?

 

[Vinaire]

About your contest: Are you gonna set the rules? Be the ref? Keep score?

Oh! I just worked out a great scoring device on the other thread DATA FOR AN EVALUATION. It is CR.

We shall vote for a CR for every bitching somebody does.

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[beyond_horizons]

And now we have another one.

We Are Not Amused.

Oh come-on. Who is this 'We' you speak of?

This is Hubbard’s scientology tech in action attempting to make the world outside that box a better place.



Now perhaps if Pierre indorsed Ralph’s C-meters and Terril got FSM commissions for referrals , then …

 

[Bea Kiddo]

Oh! I just worked out a great scoring device on the other thread DATA FOR AN EVALUATION. It is CR.

We shall vote for a CR for every bitching somebody does.

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So what is my score? (dont say zero, because I am a bitch)

 

[Emma]

This is a thread title, not a forum or sub forum.

I called it the FZ bitching post coz it was bitching and I bitchily placed it in Terrils SS section.

It's all terribly bitchy.

 

[Voltaire's Child]

Oh come-on. Who is this 'We' you speak of?

Did you not see the emoticon?