Freezone bitching post

[Terril park]

The whole thing should be pulled off ESMB.

The white guy! Alan

Mark Percy's write ups were at the request of OSA. I've met him twice.
The first time 3 or 4 years ago, where he took pleasure in picketing the UK FZ conference together with OSA. He also took pleasure in calling myself and the organisers the night before, phone numbers obtained by OSA and trying to enturbulate us.

I met him a month or two ago and he had been kicked out of COS and/or left of his own determinism. He told me that OSA made him write up that report, I guess Stephen missed hearing that, and he did so he said so he could get his case handled with auditing.

He kept pushing to acertain my attitude to him. In the end I just asked why I should trust him when he had picketed the FZ along side OSA. This riled him, and he made vague threats to me personally If I tried to stop him entering the FZ and then walked out.

I have had two of his former friends, now friends of mine, go over his whole write up with me, and they pointed out many lies and distortions.

This write up was previously on the OSA anti FZ site " freezonesurvivors".
A much reduced version remains.

Their is an interesting connection to The McClaugreys here. They posted
this story to ACT before it was on the FZ survivors website., also it was put on the original Freezoneamerica website that Virginia McClaughrey was given control of. The McClaughreys were often asking for people to send in "reports" on FZers anonymously, and it seems here they were used by OSA.

 

[haiqu]

Its interesting that he chose a Saturday to post that. Its my favorite night for Black Magic, wandering on the astral planes battling the eternal forces of evil

Before or after you chug 20 beers?

haiqu

 

[Zinjifar]

Before or after you chug 20 beers?

haiqu

Well, it's a bit insinuative, but, at least it's not particularly covert

Zinj

 

[Emma]

Ha!!

Suckers!

Buubb...But what about the freedom of speech???

Notice how they can do nothing but personal attacks? They are incapable of producing a cogent argument?

If *he* actually had something to say, I'd be fine with it. But it's a long, LONG DA piece, written by someone else for some other purpose.

Besides, I'm not going to allow some current Scientologist with an agenda to come here and stink up the board with OSA crap.

If he wants to argue the virues of Scientology, then he can go for it.

 

[Alanzo]

If *he* actually had something to say, I'd be fine with it. But it's a long, LONG DA piece, written by someone else for some other purpose.

Besides, I'm not going to allow some current Scientologist with an agenda to come here and stink up the board with OSA crap.

If he wants to argue the virues of Scientology, then he can go for it.

Yeah, like that's gonna work.

We have more people here who know the "virtues" of Scientology than he's seen in any org!

Ha!

 

[haiqu]

Well, it's a bit insinuative, but, at least it's not particularly covert

Zinj

You had to see the original article to get that joke. Ralph was accused of, amongst other things, drinking 15-20 beers at a sitting and getting into fights.

Sounds like a normal weekend around here, at least for some people.

haiqu

 

[Ralph Hilton]

It is a point in their favor, Emma. However one chicken in the ocean don't make it soup!

You obviously haven't been in the RPF !

 

[Ralph Hilton]

Before or after you chug 20 beers?

haiqu

The days of youth when I could drink 20 beers and still walk home are long gone :-(

 

[Alan]

You had to see the original article to get that joke. Ralph was accused of, amongst other things, drinking 15-20 beers at a sitting and getting into fights.

Sounds like a normal weekend around here, at least for some people.

haiqu

In my youth drinking less that 20 beers and not getting into fight would get you declared SP by your friends.

In other words my friends would disconnect from me - as I would on meeting any wimp.

It is called a Macho-Cult.....I ran it on my Cultural DeOppression R/D

Alan

 

[Bea Kiddo]

In my youth drinking less that 20 beers and not getting into fight would get you declared SP by your friends.

In other words my friends would disconnect from me - as I would on meeting any wimp.

It is called a Macho-Cult.....I ran it on my Cultural DeOppression R/D

Alan

Then I am an ultra cheap date!!

 

[Alan]

Then I am an ultra cheap date!!

Why do you think the purif and anti- booze and drug program came into existence.

It leaves more money for the reges.

Scio girls are the cheapest of dates!

Ah -ha the stuck hand on head is appearing!

 

[Bea Kiddo]

Why do you think the purif and anti- booze and drug program came into existence.

It leaves more money for the reges.

Scio girls are the cheapest of dates!

Ah -ha the stuck hand on head is appearing!

The hand thing is contagious.....

 

[nexus100]

You obviously haven't been in the RPF !

That is HILARIOUS!

 

[nexus100]

Then I am an ultra cheap date!!

That is the easiest way to be popular!

Actually second easiest.

 

[haiqu]

In my youth drinking less that 20 beers and not getting into fight would get you declared SP by your friends.

In other words my friends would disconnect from me - as I would on meeting any wimp.

It is called a Macho-Cult.....I ran it on my Cultural DeOppression R/D

Alan

Yep, that was the way it was. Did you ever play Zoom? It's a drinking game.

By my 21st I was a non-drinker, and ended up spending the night playing barman to all my mates as they sang my praises and slid under the table. To hell with peer pressures, the price of being extraordinary is to be different.

I like the name of that rundown, sounds like a good remedy for middle-class PTSness.

haiqu

 

[The Oracle]

Mark Percy's write ups were at the request of OSA. I've met him twice.
The first time 3 or 4 years ago, where he took pleasure in picketing the UK FZ conference together with OSA. He also took pleasure in calling myself and the organisers the night before, phone numbers obtained by OSA and trying to enturbulate us.

I met him a month or two ago and he had been kicked out of COS and/or left of his own determinism. He told me that OSA made him write up that report, I guess Stephen missed hearing that, and he did so he said so he could get his case handled with auditing.

He kept pushing to acertain my attitude to him. In the end I just asked why I should trust him when he had picketed the FZ along side OSA. This riled him, and he made vague threats to me personally If I tried to stop him entering the FZ and then walked out.

I have had two of his former friends, now friends of mine, go over his whole write up with me, and they pointed out many lies and distortions.

This write up was previously on the OSA anti FZ site " freezonesurvivors".
A much reduced version remains.

Their is an interesting connection to The McClaugreys here. They posted
this story to ACT before it was on the FZ survivors website., also it was put on the original Freezoneamerica website that Virginia McClaughrey was given control of. The McClaughreys were often asking for people to send in "reports" on FZers anonymously, and it seems here they were used by OSA.

I hadn't heard of the FZ survivors movement. I had to go looking for it on the net. Is it just me or do these sites conjur up negative memories that work against the Church? I mean, I was reading "statements by Ralph" about some of his 2d adventures. I was thinking, so what? He didn't take his best friends girl (Jack Parson's girl) , deny his child (Alexis) , let his wife rot in prison five years and then dump her. Is it just me that these Church sites challenge? Not that Hubbard's life offended me, but my attention is directed to it for understanding when I see the Church attacking someone else's 2D. Why would they do that against the backdrop of Hubbard's 2D history? Is it just me or does this seem really wierd? Maybe these people don't even know about Hubbard's life because they don't read anything on the net? I mean, why would they come out and attack people for their 2D activities when they don't amount to hill of beans compared to Hubbard's track? In fact, it just causes me to remember Hubbard's 2D. What are these people thinking?

Religious Freedom Website is even worse PR for the Church. They belittle average wage earners, overweight people and divorcees, only about 90 percent of the population.

Would someone in the Church PLEASE take your people off the computors!

 

[The Oracle]

Someone has a vivid imagination.
Strange that the DVLC would issue me with a clean license after such behaviour.
http://www.ralphhilton.org/driving.jpg
or that the UK police would give me the clean bill of health needed for moving to Austria.
http://www.ralphhilton.org/police.jpg

well, it's not like anyone here who has been an insider at the church really falls for this stuff. Which is very intersting when you think about it. None of the PR is for their own former lost. It is always for possible new recruits. Once you leave you have no value in their eyes, no matter the years you put in. That in itself is a telling tale.

 

[Royal Prince Xenu]

I would like to see bitching as an art.

...

It is an art.

 

[Ralph Hilton]

If *he* actually had something to say, I'd be fine with it. But it's a long, LONG DA piece, written by someone else for some other purpose.

Some of the CofS definitions get inverted because they actually do the opposite of what is stated in the policy.
Strictly speaking what the OSA goon posted was black propaganda and my reply was a DA.
From PR series 7:
"When PR goes into black propaganda (hidden source using lies and defamation to destroy) it has crossed intelligence with publicity. They don't mix well.
The action is risky to engage upon as it may run into an ex intelligence officer or trained intelligence personnel. It may also run into a dead agent caper or legal restraint.
Anyone engaging in black propaganda is either using a wrong way to right a wrong or confessing he can't make it in open competition."
PR series 18:
"The technique of proving utterances false is called "DEAD AGENTING." It's in the first book of Chinese espionage. When the enemy agent gives false data, those who believed him but now find it false kill him or at least cease to believe him.
So the PR slang for it is "dead agenting."
This consists of disproving utterly the false statement with documents or demonstration or display.
One has to have a kit (a collection of documents) or the ability to demonstrate or something to display.
STATEMENT. "I've been told you are in trouble with income tax people "
REBUTTAL: "Here's a document of fully paid taxes and a letter of commendation from the tax authorities." Displays same.
Result? Whoever told him that is now dead with him as an accurate informer."

 

[Amadeus Einstein]

Steven James wrote:

In the end, I turned to the Church, where I always wanted to be.
I handed in all the materials and set about steps A to E and
overcoming illegal PC status.

You're kidding, right?