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Div6

Crusader
Welcome to Eternity TDog.

I too would like to hear the latest in their :blah: tech....

I always applied "look don't listen".....I think they are doing it wrong.


And yah, OSA just wants to find the source of your disaffection. Trouble is, they still have their "source" filters on and cannot deal directly with truth.....

It is always nice to see some one graduate from that sandbox.
 

FoTi

Crusader
Welcome TDog

Yeh, don't go into the org and don't do any routing form. It's just more of the CoS trying to control you and get you back in line. And don't sign any papers that give away any of your rights to speak freely or anything else, for that matter. If, for some reason you end up meeting with someone from the org, do it at a public place like a restaurant and bring a friend with you and video tape the meeting and audio record it, if you can. You can Search here on ESMB for Larry Anderson....he recorded the meeting between himself and Tommy Davis on his repayment or refund cycle and it's been posted or linked somewhere in his threads so you can listen to it. Maybe somebody here can put up a quick link to it.

You're out now so you don't have to do what they tell you to do any more, just because they say so!!

PM DianaclassVIII and she will help you.

And please do tell us what it's like in the org now.
 

Lohan2008

Gold Meritorious Patron
Ditto

Welcome, Tdog :wave:

Ditto: on meeting in neutral area and make sure you take someone with you.
Ditto: on taking recorder, camera and human rights campaigner :thumbsup:
 

AlphOhm

Traveler of time/space
After being a part of Scientology over the last 10 yrs I finally ventured into the forbidden zone and looked into “that which we do not speak of”. The tech just wasn’t adding up and was contradicting it’s self so I had to take a look for myself. Long story and I will share more about this later, however for now I just want to say that Scientology’s policy on anonymous is ignore, I was told this by an auditor in a very stern manor when I told him I had stumbled upon the anonymous site as he was asking me what overts (crimes) I had committed. This policy “Ignore” didn’t make sense to me as admiration, confronting and communication is the universal solvent per LRH. There is also references were he goes on about being pan determined, to look at both viewpoints which I felt ignore violated.
Anyways, I left because I thought there was out tech. It was only then that I really took a look on the internet to see what others were saying. HELLO! Welcome to real present time!...lol. That was a whole reality adjustment, at first you want to believe that the tech was just miss-applied and that LRH is still the man, source, the enlightened profit that Buddha spoke of and LRH claimed he was.
Leaving Scientology is hard because you have to not only admit you were scammed, but you fail for it so hard that your goals were to save and help others and you “knew” and those not in Scientology were the innocent little lambs that haven’t figured it out yet, poor cute little creatures who do not know what they do cause they are being controlled by the reactive mind, circuits, demon circuits, implants, overt motivator sequence and SP’s. Help my state of Homo-novas as deflated! What now?
Sit back and decompress baby!
While decompressing you really can’t sit back because there are those in the church who try to “handle” you and get you back in. In my case I also had a family member who was a staff member for the last 10 yrs and I knew she would be told I was out ethics and she needed handle or disconnect. (ref: PTSness and Disconnection pg.205 of Intro to Scn Ethics) Yes it exists, the church doesn’t “make you disconnect” they make you apply ethics and decide for yourself if you are going to handle or disconnect, and when you can’t, handle i.e.. make the person agree with scientology then you are left with disconnect. That’s the way that rolls and they love to play split the f***ing hair on that one.
Currently my question to those that have got out is this. I just left the church about a month ago or so and have requested a refund. (don’t even come at me with a refund is wrong cause the backlash will hurt…lol) After them taking more than a month to get back to me when I called in today I was given the OSA terminals phone # and he wants me to come in and do the routing form. Anyone ever walk this line? I’m meeting with him tomorrow.

I took a repayment from Flag and the ship in '97. I told them the routing form was not happening and to put some flunky proxy there to run the form around if they needed it so badly. The routing form is designed to either get you back on lines or invalidate the crap out of you. Tell them to fuck off and give you your money.

Worked for me.


Welcome, and good luck.



ProTip: the "angry senior valence" works remarkably well.
 
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R6Basic

Patron Meritorious
Welcome Tdog!

You've came to the right place.

I love that you put the pg. number of where it talks about disconnect in Intro. to Scn. Ethics. I mean it's right there. I don't know why they just don't open that book up on TV and point the camera at it.
 

Cherished

Silver Meritorious Patron
TDOG,

Congratulations. It sounds like you've gone through quite a revolution in perspective in a short time. Yet, you sound oriented and not confused. You are very welcome here. I look forward to getting to know you.

<3

C
 

Lohan2008

Gold Meritorious Patron
Library

WOW!

That Library drive will have FINALLY paid off, when I go there this arvo'.

PTSness and Disconnection pg.205 of Intro to Scientology "ethics".
 
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Lohan2008

Gold Meritorious Patron
p209

That Library drive will have FINALLY paid off when I go there this arvo'.PTSness and Disconnection pg.205 of Intro to Scientology "ethics".

:lol:

I should have guessed the answer was to buy more books and undertake PTS/SP course and "handling" (auditing) p209

Ain't it GRAND that your "donations" had effect :p
 

scooter

Gold Meritorious Patron
:welcome: TDOG - glad you made it out.

I know others have said it but I'll repeat the advice:

DON'T talk to them - do everything by email only. No phone calls even - they'll just work on you for as long as they think they have a chance of "salvaging" you.

DO seek help from your local Consumer Affairs or whatever they are called - they will help you get back what IS rightfully yours - your money. Best case scenario is that you direct ALL communications from the cult via them and they (because it's their job) get really pissed off with the cult bullshit and start to really push for your money from the cult. and threaten to investigate the cult further if the cult doesn't cough up your hard-earned NOW.

Hope this helps - it worked for us. :D
 

IMMORTAL

Patron Meritorious
WELCOME TDOG! Good to have you here.

Right. Don't need to do the routing form. See references already given. Old Auditor has a great write up, too.

Looking forward to more of your story. I'm relatively newly out also, just a few months. It's quite a learning curve. Least it was/is for me!! I'm still working on it.
 

MAX YOUR CREDIT

Patron with Honors
NO!!!!

Do not do the routing form, I refused to go that route. I simply told them to send me my money back or I will have to hire an attorney to do it for me.
Tell them you want a "hassle free" refund/ repayment!

I had approx $2000. in account for services that I was never going to use and asked for it back. I received my repayment within 30 days of the time I sent the letter. I mailed the letter certified.
Kathy(I'm Out) helped with the process of how to go about it. Ask her for questions. But, I urge you to stay away from them, it's for the best.
Good luck my friend. I hope it all goes well.
 

Type4_PTS

Diamond Invictus SP
Repayment/Refund Routing Form, Revised, Reissued

I WOULD do a routing form, just not their version of it. I'd make up my own, a bit of a more streamlined version. (something like this)


ROUTING FORM

1) Pay me my money.
2) Leave me the f**k alone!



---------------------------------------end of routing form-----------------------
 
Anyways, I left because I thought there was out tech. It was only then that I really took a look on the internet to see what others were saying. HELLO! Welcome to real present time!...lol. That was a whole reality adjustment, at first you want to believe that the tech was just miss-applied and that LRH is still the man, source, the enlightened profit that Buddha spoke of and LRH claimed he was.

A. Congratulations on leaving.

B. You are correct in concluding that Hubbard certainly was far from being some sort of infallible super-being. He was a complex character with many extreme faults as well as some significant accomplishments.

C. The tech has been GROSSLY misapplied willfully by the Co$ for several decades.

D. There are many outside the Co$ who have demonstrated repeatedly their own ability to achieve successes with actual scientology tech. However, expertise in this is NOT a uniform skill among freezoners or other independents.

E. Many former members of the church have maintained their interests in spiritual pursuits and continue in some degree to follow any of a variety of differing schools & techiniques. Especially popular are: Knowledgism, Idenics, the Sedona Method, the works of Eckhart Tolle, and many others. Discussions on ESMB often refer to such other disciplines.


[n.b. I'm a freezone scientologist yet have found Alan Walters' & RogerB's comments on Knowledgism to be particularly interesting & informative.]

Good luck from here on out.


Mark A. Baker
 

Type4_PTS

Diamond Invictus SP
A. Congratulations on leaving.

B. You are correct in concluding that Hubbard certainly was far from being some sort of infallible super-being. He was an complex character with many extreme faults as well as some significant accomplishments.

C. The tech has been GROSSLY misapplied willfully by the Co$ for several decades.

D. There are many outside the Co$ who have demonstrated repeatedly their own ability to achieve successes with actual scientology tech. However, expertise in this is NOT a uniform skill among freezoners or other independents.

E. Many former members of the church have maintained their interests in spiritual pursuits and continue in some degree to follow any of a variety of differing schools & techiniques. Especially popular are: Knowledgism, Idenics, the Sedona Method, the works of Eckhart Tolle, and many others. Discussions on ESMB often refer to such other disciplines.


[n.b. I'm a freezone scientologist yet have found Alan Walters' & RogerB's comments on Knowledgism to be particularly interesting & informative.]

Good luck from here on out.


Mark A. Baker

Is that the New Improved A to E for getting back in good standing? :coolwink:
 
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