Freshly out of “THE VILLAGE”.

[Kathy (ImOut)]

I WOULD do a routing form, just not their version of it. I'd make up my own, a bit of a more streamlined version. (something like this)


ROUTING FORM

1) Pay me my money.
2) Leave me the f**k alone!



---------------------------------------end of routing form-----------------------

From my experience, they pay you the money, but forget step 2. It took telling the last caller that we were declared and were promised never to be called again. They are finally keeping up their end of the bargain. Took them long enough.

 

[Mark A. Baker]

Is that the New Improved A to E for getting back in good standing?

Draw your own conclusion, but it certainly hasn't worked that way for me.


Mark A. Baker

 

[AnonSunshine]

Do not do any routing form. They will gang sec check you, and you will have to pay for it. They will make you sign gag orders.
Say that you are not interested in any conversation. Just ask for your money back, because you do not consider yourself a scientologist any more.

 

[OldAuditor]

Get your repayment - it is easier than you think

I have assisted in 5 repayment cycles and have made sure that no one fell for the routing form trick. It is strictly a stall.

See my thread on this at:
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=17329&highlight=fsso+REPAYMENT

About halfway down the thread I give a summary of all actions you need to do.

This thread covered repayments by the FSSO (The Freewinds) which is the toughest group to pry money out of, but is also applies to every other org we have dealt with.

Read the thread and if you can't think with the material, send me an email and we'll see where the bug is.

David St Lawrence
Old Auditor

 

[Lohan2008]

waiting

for next installment by Tdog

 

[TDOG]

Ok, just wanted to post back and say thanks for all the input.

I didn't meet with OSA and still haven’t got my refund.

Also wanted to let you all know that inside the cult they are telling everyone that anonymous protester are paid to protest. Of course the church claims the funding for anonymous is psych funded.

From the insider viewpoint things look like they are going great because of the ideal org expansions. It sets up the scene to appear as if there is going to be a release that will cause a big demand of Scn and create a big in flow of raw public rushing in...lol. Of course now a days once you actually look outside you see that the public has already got a distaste for Scn and would never check it out unless they were the young innocent naive home schooled kids they prey off of, or one of the few adults who slipped thru the cracks and is just oblivious to the news media.

I believe that these ideal orgs could be the breaking point of scn when they fail to launch. However, it seems that every several to ten years someone is declared suppressive and given up as the "why" the tech/scn didn't work. The truth be known the tech never works and that is why there is ethics. So that you can be convinced that it was you, not the tech. And when you’re left introverted in a corner mumbling to yourself about your crimes that you are trying to find that don’t exist they can dismiss you as an out ethics SP. I see why people write books once they leave there is so much to say.

Anyways, your guys responses cracked me up. THANKS!

 

[Mest Lover]

be Xenu!

I think the paid to protest thing is a hoax that anonymous plays to make insiders question the validity of that and do research on it themselves. How did you take Anonymous?

I really agree with what they are doing!

 

[TDOG]

be Xenu!

I think the paid to protest thing is a hoax that anonymous plays to make insiders question the validity of that and do research on it themselves. How did you take Anonymous?

I really agree with what they are doing!

My personal take on anon was, who are they and why?
I believed in the motto, “look for yourself”, which Scn used on billboards around 2000 to get raw public in the door. Funny thing when they don’t want you applying these axioms to life when that is what they are teaching.
At first Anon just didn’t make sense to me. Now I think they rock!!

 

[Mest Lover]

My personal take on anon was, who are they and why?
I believed in the motto, “look for yourself”, which Scn used on billboards around 2000 to get raw public in the door. Funny thing when they don’t want you applying these axioms to life when that is what they are teaching.
At first Anon just didn’t make sense to me. Now I think they rock!!

Interesting, I think the not making sense thing is what would work because it makes you want to understand them, and eventually read and listen to what they are saying.

How can a group bent on communication be so bent up about it and try to squash it out. really anti-scn that is.

They weren't around when I was in, I wish they were.

 

[Wisened One]

Ok, just wanted to post back and say thanks for all the input.

I didn't meet with OSA and still haven’t got my refund.

Also wanted to let you all know that inside the cult they are telling everyone that anonymous protester are paid to protest. Of course the church claims the funding for anonymous is psych funded.

From the insider viewpoint things look like they are going great because of the ideal org expansions. It sets up the scene to appear as if there is going to be a release that will cause a big demand of Scn and create a big in flow of raw public rushing in...lol. Of course now a days once you actually look outside you see that the public has already got a distaste for Scn and would never check it out unless they were the young innocent naive home schooled kids they prey off of, or one of the few adults who slipped thru the cracks and is just oblivious to the news media.

I believe that these ideal orgs could be the breaking point of scn when they fail to launch. However, it seems that every several to ten years someone is declared suppressive and given up as the "why" the tech/scn didn't work. The truth be known the tech never works and that is why there is ethics. So that you can be convinced that it was you, not the tech. And when you’re left introverted in a corner mumbling to yourself about your crimes that you are trying to find that don’t exist they can dismiss you as an out ethics SP. I see why people write books once they leave there is so much to say.

Anyways, your guys responses cracked me up. THANKS!

Haven't changed, I see. This was being said before and at most Events I attended years ago, too!

 

[Smilla]

I believe that these ideal orgs could be the breaking point of scn when they fail to launch. However, it seems that every several to ten years someone is declared suppressive and given up as the "why" the tech/scn didn't work. The truth be known the tech never works and that is why there is ethics. So that you can be convinced that it was you, not the tech. And when you’re left introverted in a corner mumbling to yourself about your crimes that you are trying to find that don’t exist they can dismiss you as an out ethics SP. I see why people write books once they leave there is so much to say.

Anyways, your guys responses cracked me up. THANKS!

You really hit the nail on the head there!

 

[HappyGirl]

TDOG!! Yours is the kind of story I like to hear.

I got half of my refund. I'm still waiting for my Ship refund. I never went into an org or met with anyone. I just did their required routing form by mail.

 

[Div6]

TDOG!! Yours is the kind of story I like to hear.

I got half of my refund. I'm still waiting for my Ship refund. I never went into an org or met with anyone. I just did their required routing form by mail.

Cool. 1/2 ack then. Full ack when is is all done.

 

[Ackerland]

Also wanted to let you all know that inside the cult they are telling everyone that anonymous protester are paid to protest. Of course the church claims the funding for anonymous is psych funded.

That would be awfully nice. Maybe I should go to them and demand a paycheck. Haven't received one thus far :-(

From the insider viewpoint things look like they are going great because of the ideal org expansions. It sets up the scene to appear as if there is going to be a release that will cause a big demand of Scn and create a big in flow of raw public rushing in...lol.

You're right, this is not going to happen. However, there are other indicators. The course rooms never were really full, were they? And if there were people, it's almost always the same faces you've been seeing for years already. Maybe you could relate a few of your experiences.

I believe that these ideal orgs could be the breaking point of scn when they fail to launch. However, it seems that every several to ten years someone is declared suppressive and given up as the "why" the tech/scn didn't work. The truth be known the tech never works and that is why there is ethics. So that you can be convinced that it was you, not the tech. And when you’re left introverted in a corner mumbling to yourself about your crimes that you are trying to find that don’t exist they can dismiss you as an out ethics SP. I see why people write books once they leave there is so much to say.

I believe this is a central point of Scientology. Making individuals wrong when really it is more a situation of the tech being inappropriate. This self-guilt mechanism is programmed into you from the very start. I believe Hubbard designed it this way, and most breakaways don't realize how it is for many years. Kudos to you for getting behind this in just one month. That was fast!

 

[TDOG]

Ok, just to give an update on this. I am still fighting the good fight and it looks like I am going to need an attorney, so if anyone knows of one please let me know.

The basterds want to fight!

 

[Enthetan]

Welcome aboard Tdog and Arf

Good luck with that repayment, although, in addition to the other advice, I'd suggest only meeting in a 'neutral' place, such as a Dennys etc. and taking a friend along.

Zinj

"Taking a friend along" is excellent advice. With a non-Scientology friend along, from whom you refuse to be separated and who refuses to be separated from you, it will keep a lid on much of what they would try (which is why they will oppose the idea).

 

[FoTi]

Ok, just to give an update on this. I am still fighting the good fight and it looks like I am going to need an attorney, so if anyone knows of one please let me know.

The basterds want to fight!

Did you talk to Diana Class 8 or Tory for help?

 

[Kha Khan]

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Thread cross-posted to WWP: COS: "anonymous protester are paid to protest"; COS policy on anonymous is "ignore"

/

 

[anonyvix]

Welcome to the real world TDog.

Regarding the tech and LRH. L Ron Hubbard's only success was to set up a beast with a life of its own, one that drove him insane too; it fed his ego and his paranoias until both were bloated.

Scientology was built from a mix of pop psychology, self hypnosis, brainwashing techniques and common self help advice with a twist of LRH's own special brand of woo'ism (special words and terms) and rambling story telling much of which was drug fuelled.

LRONically being a product of it David Miscavige is a victim of the beast too, as is everyone else in the cult, he just doesn't know it yet mainly because the consequences haven't hit him yet; he thinks he is immune but he isn't as time will tell. (Actually there is speculation that he would be taller were it not for scientology and the environment he was in as a child, the food he was fed etcetera, so in a way he may be experiencing some of the consequences already.)

Scientology is nothing special, it is certainly not worth the money. Carry on the teachings by all means; when practised individually and in isolation they are fairly benign, they only become dangerous when practised by groups, its the group dynamics which manifest the most malign aspects of the teachings. Just know that in reality while the mix is unique to scientology the ingredients are not and it doesn't guarantee anything in life.

You will have more fun comparing and contrasting the different self help advice out there and making up your own mind what works for you than sticking with any scientology stuff. Then again you may just want to get on with life.

 

[GreyWolf]

Glad you are out. Welcome home.