FROM BLOWNFORGOOD - HOW TO GET FAMILY OUT OF INT

Colleen K. Peltomaa

Silver Meritorious Patron
Some people get it much quicker than I did. I think the effort it took me to get out shows how far down I'd sunk into the morass of agreements there.

I had been out for over a year and must have read for over 1,000 hours before I really noticed that anything was wrong, and that was when I saw Heber on TV saying what I knew to be a definite lie. And I was shocked! Really. :omg:

Paul

Do you recall what that "definite lie" was?
 

Tanstaafl

Crusader
My money's on "We have 8 million members worldwide".
I saw him say that on national tv - "Right to Reply". He was on with a public OTVIII; she came over reasonably well, he came over as depressed.
 

nexus100

Gold Meritorious Patron
Some people get it much quicker than I did. I think the effort it took me to get out shows how far down I'd sunk into the morass of agreements there.

I had been out for over a year and must have read for over 1,000 hours before I really noticed that anything was wrong, and that was when I saw Heber on TV saying what I knew to be a definite lie. And I was shocked! Really. :omg:

Paul

One can be a fine, sincere person, as I am sure your are, Paul, yet not see beyond that truth of one. I sure didn't. It isn't a fault so much as sincerity taken too far, I think. The scoundrels are those who see the lie, and deny it.
I hope to be more on the ball for the next round.
 
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lionheart

Gold Meritorious Patron
Do you recall what that "definite lie" was?

I saw him on, I think it was BBC "Newsnight" when the CofS was trying to get charity status from the Charity Commission in the UK.

Maybe that is the programme Paul is referring to.

We were many years out already, but he was telling lies galore, it was obvious to us from our knowledge of when we had been in.

Nevertheless he came over quite well, lots of smiles and "right" things said according to LRH's PR tech. He was doing quite a good job, actually.

Then David Mellor, an MP came in and absolutely slaughtered him. He said something along the lines that if a slime-ball like him was representative of Scn then the Charity Commission should reject their application! He was very cutting with his withering opinions and it was hilarious. Jentzsch just smiled, but his mask of insincerity was demolished.
 

Dulloldfart

Squirrel Extraordinaire
Do you recall what that "definite lie" was?

Certainly. It was a TV interview seen by me around 1997 in LA about the demise of CAN. I don't know what TV program. The interviewer said that a lot of people had written in similar letters (I don't recall to whom) complaining about something or other (!), and he asked Heber if this was an orchestrated letter-writing campaign by the :shark:.

Now, I know that it is standard practice to do that sort of thing--it appears on internal program orders and so forth.

And Heber ups and says no, no, no, it wasn't. He even looked like he was lying, looking shifty, uncomfortable etc.

Paul
 

MarkWI

Patron Meritorious
You know what I would really like? (this comes into "in my wildest dreams" category)

To get every ex Scn possible, numbering in the thousands and stand outside the gates at Int and make it very safe for anyone to just walk out. If we could get all the ex Int SO members who are now out - and who vastly outnumber those left in, all the exSO and every ex staff and ex public. Wow. that would be something.

Wow, I like that! We could call it 'Freedom day'.
And would have an high impact on media too. That the ex-scientologist outnumber the scientologists is probably a fact.

I would do it along with the dropping of flyers over the base from a plane.
The content of the flyer may be info from BFG, Jesse Prince, info on how to get help for housing, job and comm-lines in the real world.

What we miss, however, is a real organisation to get things done. :bigcry:

M
 

Colleen K. Peltomaa

Silver Meritorious Patron
Certainly. It was a TV interview seen by me around 1997 in LA about the demise of CAN. I don't know what TV program. The interviewer said that a lot of people had written in similar letters (I don't recall to whom) complaining about something or other (!), and he asked Heber if this was an orchestrated letter-writing campaign by the :shark:.

Now, I know that it is standard practice to do that sort of thing--it appears on internal program orders and so forth.

And Heber ups and says no, no, no, it wasn't. He even looked like he was lying, looking shifty, uncomfortable etc.

Paul


When I was in the Church I was given the chance to raise my assigned ethics condition by writing a letter to a publisher.

Well, at least he wasn't a good liar, maybe he has some conscience left after all.
 

Lulu Belle

Moonbat
You are absolutely right Emma.

There is nothing at all "new" about this approach.

Much as I respect BFG and the information he has provided I do not think this approach is very good. The only time I think it is defensible is when the person really is being held against their will.


Well, what do you think?

http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?t=24121


A Sea Org Gulag Tale

At the Int Base, things had just gotten to be way out of hand. Overboarding became a daily routine, not only for individuals but for entire divisions. Sec check KR’s were being read out at practically every muster, morning, noon and night - mainly the “out-2D” portions. Officers and execs were beating up and pushing around those deemed to be “out ethics”, “non-compliers”, “Hill 10 makers” or “dead wood” as a routine. Of course this was considered to be a standard handling for someone because DM himself did it all the time. Seniors were constantly screaming at their juniors at the top of their lungs. MAA’s and I&Rs were constantly on the beat for “out-ethics” indicators around the base and there was hardly anyone left who was not under some sort of investigation or on some ethics list weather it be PTS or simply out-ethics. The Security unit were doing daily berthing inspections to ensure that nobody had a TV, telephone, personal computer, or anything deemed as “out-security” (no written items or issues were to be taken off the base EVER.) You were assigned a condition of Treason for out-secrity.

I couldn’t take it anymore.

I realized I was living a life under a Big Brother and was contributing to its existence. It was Orwell’s 1984 being played out perfectly.

Instead of just leaving quietly in the night, I decided to play it safe and “route out” which I later regretted because it would have been much better had I just left and gotten myself declared. By leaving “standardly” I ended up flushing nearly 2 more years of my life down the drain.

When I decided that that was it, I decided to tell the first MAA I came across my decision to leave. The MAA was not pleased at all. I was immediately escorted to an area approximately 100 square yards that would be my home for the next couple of years, behind barbed wire fences with motion detectors, my own Security watchmen (armed of course, one guard carried a gun and the others had pepper spray). Sometimes there was even a guard dog to keep us company – a Belgian Shepherd, forgot his name. I was there with about 8 others who were in the same or similar situation I was – wanting to get the hell out. We weren’t really allowed to talk to eachother at all unless it had to do with work. We had 3 meals a day which came up on trays that the guards would bring for us, but the food was always cold, and if you didn’t get to the food by the time it got there, you would end up with the dregs or nothing at all – the food was ALWAYS cold. We ate in a tiny little old shack that had been a one car garage at one point. It was converted into the “dining” area for us security threats. Our sleeping quarters were in a old trailers and my bunk happened to be on the top bunk which only had about a foot and a half of room between me and the ceiling (many times I moved or sat up in my sleep and banged my head on the ceiling). My mattress was an air mattress and I would get freezing at night because there was no insulation as a real mattress would give, so it would be air temperature – freezing at night.

Every morning we mustered at 7:00 am, ate a quick cold breakfast (10-15 mins) and then right to labor. Labor was always to be a heavy tasks such as digging ditches, de-weeding by hand, making gravel for walkways, digging out and moving trees for the Trees Unit in Estates, etc… Then there would be quick lunch and then back to work.

We would work all day until 9:00 pm at which point we would take a quick shower and then go to mandatory study time which was in another little shack, so small only two picnic tables could fit in the room. We were only allowed to study LRH/Scientology materials. There was no radio or TV. We had no clue at all about what was happening beyond our little world.

Every day, IF you had a sec checker, you would go in daily for interrogation which could last up to 6 or more hours a day depending on how your sessions were going. The sec checks were being done FPRD style, so, any overt or withhold gotten off in session and taken to FN was then handled FPRD style earlier similar until the evil purp was found and blown.

For me, this was my daily routine for almost two years.

There was another person there who had been there longer than I had and I started to get curious about her situation and why she had been there so long. One of the Security Guards (initials MB) had been a close friend of mine since before I went to the gulags and so I believe he trusted me a bit more than the others in the group. So one night I asked him about this other person and what the plan was for her. His exact words to me were, “Oh, we’re never gonna let her leave. She worked with LRH and COB (DM), and would be way too much of a threat if we let her go.” That was the point that I snapped and realized that they were never going to let ME leave. In fact, I knew WAY more than she did about the more current happenings at the base, especially on Ethics and Qual lines. I had been a Perimiter Council member for years and so had all of the information about the threats of the base and personal data. I had been through every ethics and pc folder on the base except for a few RTC members. So, if she wasn’t leaving, I wasn’t leaving either.

I had to re-think my plan. I decided that I had to blow. But how? Daily I looked at the fence and tried to figure out how I could hop the fence. I kept an eye out for ladders or foot stools that never happened to be around – ever. I looked at the trees that were near the fences and wondered if I could climb one of the trees and perhaps risk breaking or spraining something to jump out over the fence from one of the high branches. I thought about jumping the fence and then fighting the guards if they tried to stop me and yes, they stopped everyone physically if they tried to leave. And if Security couldn’t stop them, they’d get someone from RTC down to do it and the RTC execs hated having to deal with people trying to leave. The good thing though is that usually you could speed up getting in session if RTC had to get involved and possibly speed up your cycle.

Well, I finally realized that the fence jumping idea wouldn’t work too well. I had to do something else and had a bright idea. I would pretend like I was handled and wanted to stay! So, that’s exactly what I did. I told Security that I had second thoughts, that my sessions had handled the reasons for me wanting to leave and that I just wanted to get back onto a post at some point when I could be trusted. Things went really smooth from this point on. I was F/Ning in my sessions and moving through my ethics handling and a couple months later was allowed to go back onto a low post in Gold.

To make a long story short, after a few months I was allowed to leave the base again on my own and sleep in my own bed at off-base berthing.

I took off quietly in the night – something I should have done a couple years earlier.

The inmates in “The Hall” probably have a similar situation. These guys can’t leave the base. I wonder how many of them want to leave?

The fact of the matter is that there is a prison camp at the Int Base. Law enforcement needs to be made aware of this situation and gotten involved. Innocent people should not be imprisoned like this – especially in a group masquerading as a “religion.”

Love,

BTs2Free
 
Are you all sure that the tough treatment of the Sea Org doesn't do people any good?

Are you sure that you are all not being a little overly sympathetic?

Are you sure that the firm approach of the Sea Org does not result in toughening folk up---making men out of mice, and the like?

Are you sure that you don't want the Sea Org to be turned into a pansy's paradise run by a bunch of limp-wristed fluffcakes?


Surely with the Sea Org having the job to do that they have, you can see that they need folks in it that are as hard as nails, for gawd sake!



Eamonn
 

SchwimmelPuckel

Genuine Meatball
Eamonn Grossney! - Are you trying to be funny?
Surely with the Sea Org having the job to do that they have, you can see that they need folks in it that are as hard as nails, for gawd sake!
Now please enlighten us as to what 'job' the Sea Org has. The 'unreasonable' reasons for it. The justifications and the glorious ends. Tell us if they accomplish any of that, those hard as nails folks on their important posts.

Hmm.. I guess that you are one of 'em, or is in a strong agreement. So you would consider me a banky basterd whose mind is completely disturbed and in confusion. The human condition.. The reason that registrars has the tough job to sell those raving idiots we call PC's some services. They don't know what's good for them. They have this bank agreement about needing money, clothes and food. And they have overts and withholds.. So we of the Cof$ decide for them?

Aaarh.. I don't know why I bother..

Fact is that it's both illegal and ethically indefensible to lock anyone up. It doesn't matter if the 'prisoners' agree to it. The locked doors, the wired fences and the armed guards. That is some bad shit going on..

Cof$ and the Sea Org.. The ends does NOT justify the means. The ends justifies a spanking!


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MarkWI

Patron Meritorious
Having been a scientologist for 25 years with part of that time in the SO, it is my current conviction that the purpose of the Sea Org is not to savage the planet or any other noble cause, but the abuse of people by force and deceit, forcing them into a sick dramatization game.

I've been reasonable in the past, thinking that even if the Church was sick, it was nonetheless the only hope for a sane planet. It is not, I didn't had all the data. I didn't looked with my own eyes.

And so you are. Wake up and start looking at the real poroducts of our church.

Have you read how David Mayo has been handled? How Paulette Cooper has been framed? How MSH has been dealt with? If a little cult like Scio can do such things with the power of only 50.000 unaware followers, what we could expect when (and if) it will have taken over the world?

There is no justification for the crimes and hate crimes done by the Co$ against David Mayo, Mary Sue Hubbard, David Aaron, Susan Abeel , Bernadette Abegg, Paul Abegg, Dino Abeling, Valle Aberg, Michael D. 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Gilbert Subran, Carmel Sullivan, Laurulli Sullivan, Leo Sunshine, Jordi Suriol, Per Svedlund, Jonas Svensson, Ingo Swann, Leon Swart, Susan Sweetland, Sue Swift, Renee Swisko, Darell Sykes, Deane John Symonds, Brian Synder, , Allard Taams, Pat Tadeushk, Daniel Talbot, Kathy Talent, Jim Tarbet, Chris Tatoner, Alois Taugwalder, Bruce Taylor, David Taylor, Gary Taylor, Kim (Hutton) Taylor, Scott Taylor, Spanky Taylor, David Tennant, Lars Tennberg, Ray Terris, Luca Tersi, Phillip Thieler, Bob Thomas, Greg Thomas, Larry Thomas, Mark Thomas, Rene Thomas, Tom Thomas, Ulli Thome, Chris Thompson, Karina Thompson, Patricia Thompson, Lars Timberg, Richard Timpson, Mary Louise Tinney, Collette Titmus, Brad Tocker, Donata Tojari, Errol John Tolentino, Vincent Tolosi, Wendy Tolosi, Rich Tomasian, Maria Toms, Simon Philip Toms, Heidi Tonhauser, Toni Tonhauser, Brian Tope, Edna Torain, Mercy Torrence, Angel Torres, Brian Towery, Jeffrey Townsend, Tom Trauberman, Margaret Treller, Chantal Tremblay, Harold Tremblay, Harry Tremp, Koos Nolst Trenite, Sara Triggs, Jane Truax, Res Tschudin, Richard Tucker, Rosaline Tugbobo, George Turner, James Turner, Yusha Turol, Karl Heinz Turowsk, Sara Tutellier, Chris Tyler, , Helen Ulander, Wolfgang Unger, Ken Urquhart, Dan Ursa, , Gian Luca Vaggi, Franco Valentino, Michael Valentine-Smithe, Ingrid Valliers, Massimo Vampi, Jan Van Deursforman, Judith Van Doorn, Peter Van Doorn, Hans Van Gemen, Victoria Van Harasz, Steve Van Hoomisen, Michelle Van Hoomison, Joe Van Staden, Dennis Vanasse, Clark Vance, Marilyn Vandenburg, Brian Variday, Bill Variur, Mark Vavrus, Sherry Vavrus, Enid Vein, Joan Velke, Tom Velke, Carmen Verdejo, Albert Verkerk, Barry Vernan, Sal Vertace, Leonard Victor, Shannin Vigil, Mario Viljoen, Wendy Viljoen, Giuseppina Villa, Alberto Villada, Villagramm Moises, Paolo Villanueva, Vos Vim, Debbie Vincent, Noeline Vink, Sonia Viola, Nilda Nivia Virella, Robert Virgile, Bob Visk, Lynn Visk, Soren Visti, Giuliana Vitolo, Diane Voegeding, Beat Vogel, Christian Vogelbach, Notta Vogelback, Peter Vogt, Marylene Voisin, Mark Vokey, Ann Von Amstel, Vreni Von Bergen, Ulrich Von Kapff, Hans Von Lieven, Wim Vos, Cyril Vosper, Rhonda Voss, Sandra Katherine Voss, Brian Waiting, Gordon Walker, Jeff Walker, John Walker, Michael Walker, Noel Walker, Peter Walker, Russel Walker, Sylvia Walker, Laurie Wallin, Brian Walsh, Celia Walsh, Katherine Walsh, Alan Walter, Eddie Walter, Dick Waltz, Eddie Wardlaw, Gwen Wardlaw, Don Warnock, Susan Warnock, Carlos Warter, Dave Washington, Hans Wassaether, Ken Wasserman, George Wathen, Erna Watson, Margaret Watson, Steve Watts, Ian Waxler, Mark Way, Wendy Webber, Al Weib, Marlene (Shinn) Weicht, Chris Weidman, Kathy Weir, Hans Weisher, Clark Weldon, Bette Welker, Tom Welminger, Julie Wendal, Mik Wenlock, Aida Wernicky, Eva Maria Wersocki, Fran West, Jay West, Larry West, David Wester, Annette Westphal, Kjell Westphal, Thomas Wheelock, Bob White, Dallas White, Hanna (Eltringham) Whitfield, Jerry Whitfield, Bob Whitson, Al Wiebe, Marlene (Shinn) Wiecht, Victoria Wike, Lawrence Wilberforce, George Wilbur, Larry Wilbur, Charles Wildbank, Jim Wilfert, Judy Wilfert, Chet Wilhite, Kevin Wilkins, Howard Wilkinson, Julie Wilkinson, Stacy Wilkinson, Dee Williams, Dick Williams, Mike Williams, Hurieley Williams, Peter Williams, Robert Iii Williams, Audrey Wilson, David Wilson, Ian Wilson, Bernie Wimbush, Beverley Wimbush, Coralie Wimbush, Eileen Wimbush, Andre Wirz, Geoff Withe, Eric Wolery, Scott Wolf, Ron Wolfe, Amada Wolfenson, Larry Wollersheim, John Wood, Violet Woodhouse, Joan Woodruff, Chris Woodworth, Bob Worrest, Dennis Eugene Worth, Heather Wray, Mike Wray, Jim Wright, Richard Wrigley, Myron Wszelaky, Keith Francis Wunderlich, Randall Wyan, , Paul Xander, , Anastasha Yacuk, Robert Yamet, Doug Yarborough, Keith Yarid, Andy Yarrow, Angela Yates, Bill Young, Bob Young, Holly Young, Loy Young, Virpi Johanna Yrjonen, , Cristina Zacconi, Tokiko Zacharopolous, Robin Zaichkovski, Greg Zambo, Norma Zamit, Lisa Zana, Giuseppe Zanardelli, Carlo Zanardi, Claudio Zanella, Marco Zanetti, Elvio Zannoni, Angela Zaputil, Sinandl Zdenick, Terry Zeer, Jon Zegel, Vivian Zegel, Amy Zeigler, Joey Zenou, Ant Zile, and More....

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ozzie

Patron with Honors
This is a list of declared SPs from the early 90s. I do believe they quit printing it back then as they were declaring more than would look good for them. Anyway, my Dad is on that list also - what a load of BS!

And Eamonn! Your list of Psyches or whatever that have committed crimes in the last one hundred years or so is petty compared to this list and those that came after.

Absolutely no comparison! Your'e pushing the agenda of those in charge. There are murderers and rapists in all walks of life, not just psychiatry. Get real man!

:pfft:
 

Mick Wenlock

Admin Emeritus (retired)
Eamon,

you may want to consider a cup of milky tea out in the warm sunshine while watching Barney the Dinosaur.

The tea will make you feel warm and give you a small boost from the caffeine, the sunshine should make you feel safe and happy and the mindnumbing endless drivel of the Barney songs should remind you (in a friendly way) of scientology. Close your eyes, hum along.

Just a suggestion.


Mick
 

Tanstaafl

Crusader
There's a big difference in learning to confront and control MEST and suffering psychological abuse.

If it's truly a group then every member wants to be there and doesn't stay solely for fear of reprisal or threats of lost eternities (which is, of course, bullshit).
 
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