Alanzo
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I'll just play the Terry Gilliam parts.
So that's uh....what? ....The Village Idiot sketch?
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I'll just play the Terry Gilliam parts.
So that's uh....what? ....The Village Idiot sketch?
Alanzo
Bardo Tulpa
India!
Don't get me started! A bunch of rich bastards, they were! Running around with cows and palaces!
Yeah, but you get to pull some good faces - like Cardinal Fang.
Repeat after me: "Oh no! Not the comfy chair!"
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I apologize too. That was a bit of exasperation expressing itself.
Alanzo
Bardo Tulpa
Jeez, Dad.
We were just tryin' ta have some fun!
It can be hard work criticizin Scientology all day every day....
Can't we just have some kind of fun some time?
Or do we have to be as serious as you all day long?
Alanzo
Bardo Tulpa
Teacher's Pet!
Vinaire
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Alanzo
Bardo Tulpa
Of course you do!Jim Logan
No problem. I dare say you will get over it and in trying again will eventually get past it. I've never met you that I know of, and I have only seen your contribution to this particular discussion forum, but as they say in Newfoundland 'Jeez. b'y, me likes dat feller, wha'. Jim
It's own "behind" is what this thread has disappeared up!
(Not a dig at you Jim)
I guess I'm just frustrated at my apparent inability to communicate my own reality.
Oh well, I dare say I'll get over it and try again later.
No problem. I dare say you will get over it and in trying again will eventually get past it. I've never met you that I know of, and I have only seen your contribution to this particular discussion forum, but as they say in Newfoundland 'Jeez. b'y, me likes dat feller, wha'. Jim
Jim Logan
Geez, LH, that was clean as a wolf's tooth. I am quite impressed, not that that is important to you, but you have nailed it and nary a 'Scientologese'. Truth is truth and the symbols used to describe it are nothing more than a means. Good job! Jim
This is one of the problems with using Scientologese. It masks the obvious and gets us all figuring and studying and reading dictionaries.
Unfortunately LRH degraded "releasing" and made it less valuable than "erasing" or "as-ising". I suspect that might be because he realised releasing was easy and didn't create "dedicated" cult members.
Within Scn terminolgy you are quite correct. But think for a moment outside the Scn box.
Suppose there is no past or future, just suppose there is only "Now" (as per Eckhart Tolle).
"Now" I feel sad about the argument I had with someone. The argument isn't here, the memory and feelings associated with it are now and that IS all there is. There is no argument, just thoughts, images and feelings about it. That's all there is. And this argument is troubling me NOW. I'm holding onto it and can't release it. Perhaps it helps me to hold onto it, perhaps I'm resisting it and therefore making it stay. Now and Now and Now. The person I argued with isn't creating it now, I am.
Releasing it from Now is done by allowing the feelings to be there, or letting them go or welcoming them or deciding I don't need to change how I feel, or realising the feeling is there because it satisfies a want or need or desire and letting that want go.
If it releases, it isn't here now. So where is it? Really, seriously where is it? It is nowhere, nowhen because there only is here and now, there is no then or there.
"Ah, but it might come back," you say. So what? Let it go again. "Ah but it keeps re-occurring and I'm sick of it, I want to erase it for good, forever, permanently."
Well apart from the fact that there is no "permanent", there is no "for good" - there is only now. There is still something you can do. If it re-occurs and that bothers you, stop trying to stop it! Let it come back. or what does that feeling satisfy? what are you lacking that it fullfills?
The same releasing process will release it and one-now you realise it is not there!
Handling anything that is not here now, is pointless, literally - there is no point to handle! The more letting go you do, the less letting go there is to do. Life provides you with plenty to allow and one glorious day you are at one with life and all is well, just as it always was!
Geez, LH, that was clean as a wolf's tooth. I am quite impressed, not that that is important to you, but you have nailed it and nary a 'Scientologese'. Truth is truth and the symbols used to describe it are nothing more than a means. Good job! Jim
Jim Logan
'Me arse' (as in the Newfoundlandese). Remember how this thread started now, we were husband and wife. Keep it clean and out of the ad hominem on Annie else I may just look you up in the here and now...however you define it. (Cool down, Jim, cool down, OK.)
'Me arse' (as in the Newfoundlandese). Remember how this thread started now, we were husband and wife. Keep it clean and out of the ad hominem on Annie else I may just look you up in the here and now...however you define it. (Cool down, Jim, cool down, OK.)
Cheers Jim.
Mick Wenlock
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Its all down to an inferiority complex Tansy - you know how it is with these colonials...
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This is one of the problems with using Scientologese. It masks the obvious and gets us all figuring and studying and reading dictionaries.
Unfortunately LRH degraded "releasing" and made it less valuable than "erasing" or "as-ising". I suspect that might be because he realised releasing was easy and didn't create "dedicated" cult members.
Within Scn terminolgy you are quite correct. But think for a moment outside the Scn box.
Suppose there is no past or future, just suppose there is only "Now" (as per Eckhart Tolle).
"Now" I feel sad about the argument I had with someone. The argument isn't here, the memory and feelings associated with it are now and that IS all there is. There is no argument, just thoughts, images and feelings about it. That's all there is. And this argument is troubling me NOW. I'm holding onto it and can't release it. Perhaps it helps me to hold onto it, perhaps I'm resisting it and therefore making it stay. Now and Now and Now. The person I argued with isn't creating it now, I am.
Releasing it from Now is done by allowing the feelings to be there, or letting them go or welcoming them or deciding I don't need to change how I feel, or realising the feeling is there because it satisfies a want or need or desire and letting that want go.
If it releases, it isn't here now. So where is it? Really, seriously where is it? It is nowhere, nowhen because there only is here and now, there is no then or there.
"Ah, but it might come back," you say. So what? Let it go again. "Ah but it keeps re-occurring and I'm sick of it, I want to erase it for good, forever, permanently."
Well apart from the fact that there is no "permanent", there is no "for good" - there is only now. There is still something you can do. If it re-occurs and that bothers you, stop trying to stop it! Let it come back. or what does that feeling satisfy? what are you lacking that it fullfills?
The same releasing process will release it and one-now you realise it is not there!
Handling anything that is not here now, is pointless, literally - there is no point to handle! The more letting go you do, the less letting go there is to do. Life provides you with plenty to allow and one glorious day you are at one with life and all is well, just as it always was!
This is a good and sensible post.
.
You've hit the nail on the head.
BTW Mick, I'm just about to post your Xmas present.
It's a cigarillo case with two crossed dead Frenchmen, set against the background of 'a mound of dead Frenchmen' motif.
This is one of the problems with using Scientologese. It masks the obvious and gets us all figuring and studying and reading dictionaries.
Unfortunately LRH degraded "releasing" and made it less valuable than "erasing" or "as-ising". I suspect that might be because he realised releasing was easy and didn't create "dedicated" cult members.
Within Scn terminolgy you are quite correct. But think for a moment outside the Scn box.
Suppose there is no past or future, just suppose there is only "Now" (as per Eckhart Tolle).
"Now" I feel sad about the argument I had with someone. The argument isn't here, the memory and feelings associated with it are now and that IS all there is. There is no argument, just thoughts, images and feelings about it. That's all there is. And this argument is troubling me NOW. I'm holding onto it and can't release it. Perhaps it helps me to hold onto it, perhaps I'm resisting it and therefore making it stay. Now and Now and Now. The person I argued with isn't creating it now, I am.
Releasing it from Now is done by allowing the feelings to be there, or letting them go or welcoming them or deciding I don't need to change how I feel, or realising the feeling is there because it satisfies a want or need or desire and letting that want go.
If it releases, it isn't here now. So where is it? Really, seriously where is it? It is nowhere, nowhen because there only is here and now, there is no then or there.
"Ah, but it might come back," you say. So what? Let it go again. "Ah but it keeps re-occurring and I'm sick of it, I want to erase it for good, forever, permanently."
Well apart from the fact that there is no "permanent", there is no "for good" - there is only now. There is still something you can do. If it re-occurs and that bothers you, stop trying to stop it! Let it come back. or what does that feeling satisfy? what are you lacking that it fullfills?
The same releasing process will release it and one-now you realise it is not there!
Handling anything that is not here now, is pointless, literally - there is no point to handle! The more letting go you do, the less letting go there is to do. Life provides you with plenty to allow and one glorious day you are at one with life and all is well, just as it always was!
I'll get this thread back on topic, if I can, as I'm probably the one that threw it off topic!
Lost friends/partners. Jim, I didn't follow the intricacies of what you said you did re Annie's status, but I gathered you sacrificed your relationship so that she could carry on up the Bridge! Correct? Sheesh!
I was lucky. When I got declared my wife chose me over Scn. Sort of made the declare heavier, but I might not have survived it without her loyalty. But it meant I had to choose whether both of us were going to be cast of the Bridge into the abyss.
I was one of those who feared the CofS was right and I was an SP but couldn't see it because I was an SP. It was a horrific mind-spin. Back then there was no internet to help pick through the Hubbard maze. No alternative Scientologies.
As well as my wife, a few friends stayed "loyal" to me and risked their Bridge for me. There was an undergound of the declared (1982 victims) and we passed tape briefings to each other. That helped.
I hope you are ok about your loss.
Many years later I discovered other workable techniques, some developed by one of Ron's SPs. Now I sort of vamp and improvise what I learned and the above posting is an expression of that.
If only Annie knew that she didn't need Ron's Church!
Right now any of us can release ourselves (literally). All we have to do is allow, let be and let go.
Guys like Annie should just walk.
Jim Logan
Thank you for your compassion. The experience, the turmoil, the excruciating pain. Having gone through it myself I have my compassion for you LH. Deeply felt and sincere. It was an incredibly difficult time, as you well know and that is understatement.
I too barely held on and experienced the mind-spin you refer to. Brutal.
I too have read as much as any I suspect and that covers the gamut. That was as much of the mind-spin as what was happening. Had I been utterly decieved. Was this entire experience just some sort of hypnotic mind f$#@? Did I actually have any gains? WHAT THE F@#$
I hit a point as low as I could imagine. So I know to what you are referring.
I began to study. Everything I could and started with the 'nasty books'. Read a couple and one three times through writing down anything that my own observation contradicted and anything that made no sense. For instance, that Magick stuff. What the hell is that all about? So I read as much Crowley as is scrutable to a non witch. My what an amazing intellect and with some real pearls in amongst what I couldn't begin to describe.
And so on. I read the entire list of people at the beginning of SOS and including some Kant, which is just about as tough as any read. I read Will Durant's book, The Story of Philosophy and so on. The one that struck me the most was Science and Sanity by Korzybski. What an incredible compendium of data. I read the original Einstein on Special Relativity, I studied up on quantum theory, electromagnetics and so on.
I then read everything I could get my hands on on the subject of Scientology, from the beginning, like back to Astounding Sci Fi and forward trying as much as possible to do it it sequence with tapes, books, issues and so on. All the way through once, and back again.
From the above, I evaluated differently than you. I'm a Scientologist now more than I ever was. It has worked for me and I have seen it work on others. That is my subjective and objective reality.
But, you have a right to your own route. I haven't yet stomped on any on this MB for their routes. By all means, follow what you think will get you where you want to go. I may think it's going to lead nowhere or worse, but frankly, it's your life. Is it futile to request the same respect of me?. Jim
Thank you for your compassion. The experience, the turmoil, the excruciating pain. Having gone through it myself I have my compassion for you LH. Deeply felt and sincere. It was an incredibly difficult time, as you well know and that is understatement.
I too barely held on and experienced the mind-spin you refer to. Brutal.
I too have read as much as any I suspect and that covers the gamut. That was as much of the mind-spin as what was happening. Had I been utterly decieved. Was this entire experience just some sort of hypnotic mind f$#@? Did I actually have any gains? WHAT THE F@#$
I hit a point as low as I could imagine. So I know to what you are referring.
I began to study. Everything I could and started with the 'nasty books'. Read a couple and one three times through writing down anything that my own observation contradicted and anything that made no sense. For instance, that Magick stuff. What the hell is that all about? So I read as much Crowley as is scrutable to a non witch. My what an amazing intellect and with some real pearls in amongst what I couldn't begin to describe.
And so on. I read the entire list of people at the beginning of SOS and including some Kant, which is just about as tough as any read. I read Will Durant's book, The Story of Philosophy and so on. The one that struck me the most was Science and Sanity by Korzybski. What an incredible compendium of data. I read the original Einstein on Special Relativity, I studied up on quantum theory, electromagnetics and so on.
I then read everything I could get my hands on on the subject of Scientology, from the beginning, like back to Astounding Sci Fi and forward trying as much as possible to do it it sequence with tapes, books, issues and so on. All the way through once, and back again.
From the above, I evaluated differently than you. I'm a Scientologist now more than I ever was. It has worked for me and I have seen it work on others. That is my subjective and objective reality.
But, you have a right to your own route. I haven't yet stomped on any on this MB for their routes. By all means, follow what you think will get you where you want to go. I may think it's going to lead nowhere or worse, but frankly, it's your life. Is it futile to request the same respect of me?. Jim
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