From Miss X - About Annie Broeker

Free to shine

Shiny & Free
Phewww, thanks guys, for a moment there I thought I'd become SP of the ex scientologists. By the way the JW equivalent to a SP is an Apostate. This is what I was labelled when I was kicked out of the JWs.
I'll try posting on another thread later as "free to shine" suggested.
lionheart I will ask the question
and..yes I liked the the MASH series.

Nah...you're cool. On a long thread like who answers your post just depends on who wanders by at the time. :)
There are a lot of great folks here, do keep posting.
I find it refreshing to hear what you say - the 'spock' comment reminds me of something said about me once. :omg: :roflmao: You live and learn...
 

Bea Kiddo

Crusader
Welcome Radar!! Stay and chat a while. We love other views of things, we love to discuss things from other angles.

I believe that you have a very interesting perspective to add. I am sure we will enjoy your stay here!!:coolwink:
 

Alanzo

Bardo Tulpa
One of the best de-culting exercises one can do on one's own is a reading of The True Believer by Eric Hoffer.

It is so uncannily precise in its descriptions of the Sea Org and Scientology that it just indicates the item page after page.

Highly recommended to all.

Totally agreed, Leon.

Hoffer illuminates why a True Believer becomes a True Believer in the first place.
 

Alan

Gold Meritorious Patron
Totally agreed, Leon.

Hoffer illuminates why a True Believer becomes a True Believer in the first place.

It took me sooooooooooooo loooooooooooong to undo my Cult mentality - I read everything I could find in regards to it.

Even now I still find vestiges of it.

It does seem to stem from the Games Matrix Tech.

Being in a trance state appears to be where one is most vulnerable - i.e; tired, overworked, wearing too many hats, malnurished, attention tied up in too many unfinished cycles, trying to achieve too many impossible goals or targets, not in your own space, not on your own time track, not in contol of your own energy or objects, attempting to please others, etc., etc. :omg:

Alan
 

beyond_horizons

Patron Meritorious
It took me sooooooooooooo loooooooooooong to undo my Cult mentality - I read everything I could find in regards to it.

Even now I still find vestiges of it.

It does seem to stem from the Games Matrix Tech.

Being in a trance state appears to be where one is most vulnerable - i.e; tired, overworked, wearing too many hats, malnurished, attention tied up in too many unfinished cycles, trying to achieve too many impossible goals or targets, not in your own space, not on your own time track, not in contol of your own energy or objects, attempting to please others, etc., etc. :omg:

Alan

Damn, It's no wonder I hardly qualify nor am even eligible to be X.

Like I always said, beware of the who, what, and the where, while exposing the contents of your Soul to another!

Great stuff Alan! :thumbsup:

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"The greatest trick the Devil ever played was convincing the world he didn't exist."
-Keyser Soze, The Usual Suspects
 

Zinjifar

Silver Meritorious Sponsor
The interesting thing to me is that this word "apostate" only appears in OSA negative PR press releases.

It is not used anywhere in Ron Hubbard's own materials that I ever saw.

The Sneakster

It's usually only used by non-Scn apologists, although, the 'Church' likes to quote them. Usual usage: If you haven't 'done' Scientology you can't comment on it. If you *have* done Scientology, and criticize it, then, you're an apostate, and can't comment on it.

Zinj
 

Voltaire's Child

Fool on the Hill
It's usually only used by non-Scn apologists, although, the 'Church' likes to quote them. Usual usage: If you haven't 'done' Scientology you can't comment on it. If you *have* done Scientology, and criticize it, then, you're an apostate, and can't comment on it.

Zinj

It's the bestest loophole EVER! Whee!

(and good job, Ems, that you bumped this)
 

Kutta

Silver Meritorious Patron
Quote:
Originally Posted by tanstaafl
CoS likes the label apostate too, mostly in PR, where they are trying to look like a religion and not a business.
The interesting thing to me is that this word "apostate" only appears in OSA negative PR press releases.

It is not used anywhere in Ron Hubbard's own materials that I ever saw.

The Sneakster

Nor as far as I know "parishioners", "Ecclesiastical Leader"(DM), "religious retreat" (RPF), and many other terms adopted by scientology - disingenuously to create the perception of a respectable religion that qualifies for tax-free status.

It is interesting to me that the term "Church of Scientology rolls off the toungue of many exes. I wonder if it is more the case with those who came 'in' after the push for tax-free status (?1980s) when it seems to me that scientology changed its emphasis from being a science. Those exposed to the change in PR appear to be more accepting of the notion that scientology can be legitimately be called a church and a religion.

For me and I suspect others 'in' in the 70s and earlier, the idea that I was participating in a religion would have seemed ridiculous. Scientology was an organization. It was a philosophy, yes, and an individualistic practice to enhance well-being and ability, but there was no deity to worship, no notion of prayer, or grace, no superior being, no ideas of compassion, humility, love for or oneness of humankind - the kinds of qualities that most religions promote and most people expect of a religion.

IMO, that scientology regards us as thetans, is insufficient to classify it as a religion.
 

me myself & i

Patron Meritorious
Nor as far as I know "parishioners", "Ecclesiastical Leader"(DM), "religious retreat" (RPF), and many other terms adopted by scientology - disingenuously to create the perception of a respectable religion that qualifies for tax-free status.

It is interesting to me that the term "Church of Scientology rolls off the toungue of many exes. I wonder if it is more the case with those who came 'in' after the push for tax-free status (?1980s) when it seems to me that scientology changed its emphasis from being a science. Those exposed to the change in PR appear to be more accepting of the notion that scientology can be legitimately be called a church and a religion.

For me and I suspect others 'in' in the 70s and earlier, the idea that I was participating in a religion would have seemed ridiculous. Scientology was an organization. It was a philosophy, yes, and an individualistic practice to enhance well-being and ability, but there was no deity to worship, no notion of prayer, or grace, no superior being, no ideas of compassion, humility, love for or oneness of humankind - the kinds of qualities that most religions promote and most people expect of a religion.

IMO, that scientology regards us as thetans, is insufficient to classify it as a religion.

Damn, another apostate speaking. When will it ever end?

Lol.
 

ThisFenceHurts

Patron with Honors
It's usually only used by non-Scn apologists, although, the 'Church' likes to quote them. Usual usage: If you haven't 'done' Scientology you can't comment on it. If you *have* done Scientology, and criticize it, then, you're an apostate, and can't comment on it.

Zinj

And if you have done Scn and try to promote it and don't have Issue Authority, you STILL can't comment on it.
 

byte301

Crusader
Nor as far as I know "parishioners", "Ecclesiastical Leader"(DM), "religious retreat" (RPF), and many other terms adopted by scientology - disingenuously to create the perception of a respectable religion that qualifies for tax-free status.

It is interesting to me that the term "Church of Scientology rolls off the toungue of many exes. I wonder if it is more the case with those who came 'in' after the push for tax-free status (?1980s) when it seems to me that scientology changed its emphasis from being a science. Those exposed to the change in PR appear to be more accepting of the notion that scientology can be legitimately be called a church and a religion.

For me and I suspect others 'in' in the 70s and earlier, the idea that I was participating in a religion would have seemed ridiculous. Scientology was an organization. It was a philosophy, yes, and an individualistic practice to enhance well-being and ability, but there was no deity to worship, no notion of prayer, or grace, no superior being, no ideas of compassion, humility, love for or oneness of humankind - the kinds of qualities that most religions promote and most people expect of a religion.

IMO, that scientology regards us as thetans, is insufficient to classify it as a religion.

I agree Kutta. The first time I heard someone refer to policy as "scripture" I was like WTF?

Anyone talking like that would have been laughed out of my mission in the 70's.
 

Smilla

Ordinary Human
Reposted with permission.

I know she blew at one point when her next husband Jim Logan left. She tried to go after him. She told me that Marty Rathbun at the time flew out and caught her at the airport and escorted her back to Happy Valley ranch near the Int base, where she did MEST work for the next few years and re-read all the books while isolated from the rest of the crew.
What a nice freedom loving guy Marty Rathbun is. I don't think that there's much difference between him and Miscavige. No... wait... There is. Miscavige has the money. Life's a bitch.
 

OHTEEATE

Silver Meritorious Patron
1971

In 1971, at the Mission of Arden Way in Sacramento, there was a bb gun propped up in the corner near the front door. My first week on course, I asked what it was for. "repelling Sea Org" was the answer. What a long, strange trip it's been since then. These stories we tell each other fill in the understanding of what happened and the real reason why. I think Annie was not free to do as she wished for a LONG time, and maybe still is under watch. She knows too much. She may consider herself lucky to be alive? She is one of a few who could single-handedly put DM away.
 
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