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Tons, starting with the crimes he blames solely on DM which in fact originated with LRH. I'm not going to do the work for you. The evidence is all over the Interwebs, all you need is Google and a bit of spare time.
"I'm not going to do the work for you" Uh I'm not exactly new here. I was kind of looking for what you were talking about as it was a vague statement. I've read the same stuff everybody else has. But what I see over there is consistent with politics and other religions. People filter out what they want to and accept what they want. Truth unfortunately is often subjective and some are more willing to accept faults in others than others are. I'm not trying to justify anybody's actions I'm just stating the fact that people come to different conclusions given the same information.
Agreed - I started out as a huge Marty fan. I admired him for having the cojones to stand up to the Church. But the more I read, the more I realized what he was trying to do: Whitewash Hubbard by shifting the blame for the Church's crimes to DM. Marty's media interviews only talked about David Miscavige. One wonders what would have happened if they asked Marty about LRH and then did a bit of follow-up research. Lucky for Marty, they didn't. But I'm sure that will change soon... like my old man used to say, shit always floats to the top.
Sure I agree he doesn't want to "confront" what a sack of shit the guy was but this is a very tricky cult with bits of truth sprinkled around. It's very difficult to sort out what scn really is and people will come to their own conclusions at their own pace and some will probably hang on for the rest of their lives. Unfortunately you can't mandate beliefs.
With all due respect, if a person still believes in Hubbard and Scientology, that person is still "in."
Not in my opinion. David Miscavige is a criminal psychotic posing as "man's best friend" even though elron started all this shit. Anyone who walks away from further support of this lunatic and makes it public is helping putting an end to this clown and doing the world a favor. People can sort out their beliefs later and will be in a situation where they are no longer disciplined for looking.
For me, the first big hint was his position on Lisa McPherson. He doesn't believe she died because she got the Introspection Rundown instead of proper medical and psychological care. He believes she died because DM altered the tech. This is all on his blog.
Yeah I agree the guy is deluded. But from his viewpoint he's probably seen Intro RDs that went ok. And by ok I mean somebody who seemed happy with it and wasn't about to jump out of a window. I've done tons of auditing and have no illusions about it making clears or ots but you can finish an action and feel fine or even good about it or you can feel psychotic and suicidal. I've had all of the above. Anyone who thinks auditing or other scio actions do NOTHING is misinformed. It just doesn't do what's claimed.
Does he have the intention to create an organization as criminal as the Co$? Marty believes in LRH's tech, which is the source of most of Co$'s criminality. You can't create a proper Scientology organization WITHOUT the criminality. It's written into the tech, and KSW says the tech is infallible and unalterable.
I've seen this dozens of times with auditors. One auditor would try to beat the crap out of you "following tech to the letter" and another wouldn't with the exact same references and supervision. It came down to the nature of the individual. The interpretation of "tech" is just as subjective as the interpretation of any other information. They try to act like it's not but it is.
But in the end MR won't have the opportunity to have a reign of terror because scn is done. The cat is out of the bag and the world is saying a big "thanks but no thanks". There is no mechanism to remove DM, and MR has no entitlement to the funds, trademarks or resources of the church. All MR can do is start his own FZ branch and I wouldn't hold my breath for that to become a huge hit.
I hope you are right. In my opinion, as long as Marty still offers his services, the Cult of Scientology still exists.
I wish this crap could be erased from planet Earth but barring nuclear war or an asteroid impact I don't see that happening.
P.S. The "Much Love" thing is pretty weird. Former members will see that as phony affection so don't expect that to go over too well here.