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Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender & Queer as a 3 Dollar Bill

Discussion in 'Life After Scientology' started by outlawgal, Jun 8, 2008.

  1. auntpat

    auntpat Patron with Honors

    Many years ago I worked in Interior decorating with a very gay man named Charles. He had a bad habit of drinking to much. When we had a early morning appointment I would go across the hall to his apartment to make sure that he was home the night before. If not I would call a cab and go looking or him. It was pretty easy to find him as there were only two gay bars in Dallas at the time.

    When I found him I wouldd try to talk him into coming home. After a long argument I would grab him from his bar stool, put him over my shoulder and head for the door. That crazy fool would scream RAPE all the way to the cab.

    Yes working with Charlles was a fun job.

    Love & Light,
    Aunt Pat

  2. Hum, I was INthe closet when I was in my birth religion, then OUT in another two, then backIN the closet then further in a tinier closet when in Scientology (sorry forthe cryptic I don’t want to have to disconnect from people I care about justbecause the church is being dumb). People know I’m not a Scilon anymore but Idon’t want to come across as ‘rabidly antagonistic’ I’m just apathetic thesedays on pretty much *all* religions. That’s what slightly over half a degree ina real science and several years of cult-detoxing will do to you.

    Kicked outthe SO for family in ‘high places’ and for being ‘bi’ even though during OUT periods– all previous to Scientology - I did nothing more than the occasional dating/gropeingof same-sex because though I’m ‘bi’ I’m more of a Kinsey 2.5 by which I mean Ilean pretty hetero. My full-on 6 brother-in-law and his partner call me a “MargaretCho” lesbian. If you don’t count getting handsy or outercourse I’ve notactually been with that many people.

    So yah Iagree on the Thetans have no gender comment I mean it shouldn’t matter thenright? On the other hand my *very* hetero never-a-Scilon hubby helped me comeout and is fine with my explorations (however limited they may be at thispoint). Bi-poly self identified and quite happy to have a loving husband too.Life feels pretty good these days …

  3. Smilla

    Smilla Ordinary Human

    I think we're all potentially heterosexual, bisexual, or homosexual, and that it isn't totally hardwired into our biology as some insist. Some nature, some nurture, but nothing totally pre-ordained and fixed.
  4. Extaff Fenix

    Extaff Fenix Patron

    Recently read QaPD and LOVED it. It was my first ex SO memoir and whetted my appetite for more assurance that I as one who had it easy as msn staff, was indeed NOT crazy for wondering what the HELL was going on in the 90s.

    Love to all ex SO.
  5. it's okay to drink to much as long as you don't drink too much

    here's to you auntpat!
  6. keeshz

    keeshz New Member

    Hey Outlawgal!

    I realize this thread is impossibly old in internet terms, but on the chance you are still around and might see this, yeehaa! I LOVED your post! I thought I might be the only clear/OT queer, kinky scientologist on the planet and then I found your old post. Thanks for putting it there!

    Funny story you will appreciate: Many years ago I went to AOLA for the CCRD. I was totally out, never bought into any homophobic considerations, didn't Q&A with it and never had any problems at my local org. AO was another story.
    They would not give the CCRD, but they were happy to take my money and give me customized sec checking on the 2D. My auditor was terrific and did just what he should do, which is go where the charge is. Most of it was whole track, none of it made me not be queer, but it did free me up so much on the 2D that I came out kinky as a result!

    I guess this is my long delayed success story! LOL

    Anyway, it is a thrill to find and read your post and I hope to get in comm with you directly sometime.


  7. Type4_PTS

    Type4_PTS Diamond Invictus SP

    Hey keeshz, and welcome!


    I'm not sure if Outlawgal comes around that frequently. On her blog she says the best way to contact her is via twitter:
  8. keeshz

    keeshz New Member

    Thanks Type4, I appreciate the welcome and the info!


  9. Terril park

    Terril park Sponsor

    Hi and welcome to ESMB. We know each other.:)

    Nice success story! was the sec checking done FPRD style?

    You could try sending a "private message" to her via ESMB. If you click on her name on her post it takes you to her profile and you can there send a PM.
    She hasn't posted for 2 years and may not visit here much. She also had a
    book published in 2011.
  10. La La Lou Lou

    La La Lou Lou Crusader

    I think Outlaw girl has a new book that came out this year, I was going to get it from Amazon, I forgot.

    Anyone know the name?
  11. JustMe

    JustMe Patron Meritorious

    It's called "A Queer and pleasant Danger". (Actually it was published last year and I'm guessing you meant that one).

    What an amazing read.

    Kate is one of my heros.

    Here is a little blub from me telling a bit of what the book was about and how I felt about it:

    Here's a link to the book on Amazon:

    Last edited: Nov 28, 2013
  12. JustMe

    JustMe Patron Meritorious

    Thank you keesch for telling this part of your story.

    You are not alone.

    Welcome to ESMB, a place where many wonderful people share and where friendships are made.
  13. Helena Handbasket

    Helena Handbasket Gold Meritorious Patron

    Not to mention all those cute messengers.

  14. keeshz

    keeshz New Member

  15. keeshz

    keeshz New Member


    Thanks JustMe, I appreciate the welcome. A place where wonderful people share and friendships are made sounds terrific! Glad I found my way here. I'd ask about your story, but I s'pose I ought to look around a bit first and I'll probably find you've already posted it. Eh? If not consider the question asked.

  16. Terril park

    Terril park Sponsor

  17. CO2

    CO2 Patron Meritorious

    not that what I'm about to write, hasn't been said dozens of times before, but perhaps it needs to be current with new readers.

    My history with the Co$ was only between 1968 and 1976.

    John McMaster, Clear #1, was gay.

    I don't know his name, but AOLA's first clear was gay. My wife used to do reg tours with him.

    jimmy Spheeris, at CC was gay.

    There were loads of people from San Francisco and the West indies, who were gay.

    In 1973, while on OT3, my live in girl friend's previous 2D, was Margaret George, the E/O at AOLA, across the street, from the apartment where we lived.

    sexuality was a non item.
  18. JustMe

    JustMe Patron Meritorious

    Hi Mary

    Indeed look around and you will see the stories of many people on here. And you will see time and again others supporting them and sharing their stories right back as friendships develop and healing so often follows.

    I think it is impossible to read through here and not fall in love with one person after the other as they pour out their hearts.

    Anyway, enjoy your looking around.

    - Denise
  19. keeshz

    keeshz New Member

    As indeed it should be. Thetans are capable of considerations right? And of changing their considerations. And changing them again. And now making some new considerations. So yeah it is totally bizarre that so many scientologists, beings at least nominally interested in freedom, can get so hung up and unchanging on their 2D considerations.

    Having never bought into the "should-not-be-gay" considerations at all, ie I had no internalized homophobia, I was able to view the considerations without going effect of them, but I also saw the cruelty towards and damage to those who were not so fortunate.

    My experiences in the freezone are much better in regards to this (and to everything). Not that homophobia doesn't exist there, some individuals hold those considerations, more do not, but it sure isn't anywhere, that I know of, intractably institutionalized like in the COS.

  20. Helena Handbasket

    Helena Handbasket Gold Meritorious Patron

    Of course thetans have gender. You are whatever you decide you are.