Geir Isene has a new Natterboard!

[Megalomaniac]

I respect Panda Termit like my dad.

But RMack just kicked his ass.

Nuh-uh. Panda is a black belt. Panda rocks.

Geir rocks. Geir owns that forum, lighthouse and all. He gets to make all the rules. Even if there are only like 2 or 3 rules, he gets to make 'em all up. You can tell he didn't even need a lawyer or anything to figure out his rules. He could ban you right out of there, all the way from Sweden. How OT is that?

How about you go start your own forum and see if anyone here starts a thread about it? You can make your own rules, like no bad words about armadillos or something.

Alanzo, you rock.

Rmack, you rock, too.

This place rocks.

 

[Rmack]

Nuh-uh. Panda is a black belt. Panda rocks.

Geir rocks. Geir owns that forum, lighthouse and all. He gets to make all the rules. Even if there are only like 2 or 3 rules, he gets to make 'em all up. You can tell he didn't even need a lawyer or anything to figure out his rules. He could ban you right out of there, all the way from Sweden. How OT is that?

How about you go start your own forum and see if anyone here starts a thread about it? You can make your own rules, like no bad words about armadillos or something.

Alanzo, you rock.

Rmack, you rock, too.

This place rocks.

You know, there are some really tasty decaffeinated brands...

 

[Panda Termint]

I respect Panda Termit like my dad.

But RMack just kicked his ass.

That was awesome right there.

Sorry but you must be drunk, Al. My ass remains unkicked!

The whole premise of R's argument is based on a falsity/strawman argument i.e. that Geir won't allow "Confidential" material because he thinks it would harm readers. Geir has different reasons which he has explained fully in his Blog.

I can't help it if people continue to forward false ideas about "Hubbard said this/Hubbard meant that", I can only do my best to express my opinions about those false ideas.

Surely, you didn't buy into the "reading this stuff can kill you" idea?

 

[Voltaire's Child]

Sorry but you must be drunk, Al. My ass remains unkicked!

Why don't you let the readership be the judge of that? Please take a picture of your ass and post it immediately so that the judges can make a determination.

 

[anon2487]

Good post. Thank you, I may just take you up on that offer. Send me an e-mail to hook up.

Email fired in your direction.

 

[Panda Termint]

Why don't you let the readership be the judge of that? Please take a picture of your ass and post it immediately so that the judges can make a determination.

Exposure to pictures of my ass may lead to pneumonia!
In other words, my ass "is calculated to kill (by pneumonia, etc.) anyone who attempts to solve it."

 

[Voltaire's Child]

Exposure to pictures of my ass may lead to pneumonia!

Uh oh! I was afraid of that!

 

[Zinjifar]

Exposure to pictures of my ass may lead to pneumonia!

Eat less cabbage.

Mental image pictures of pandatermined and cabbigified asses not only causes global warming but bloviated enlightenment.

Let the atmosphere beware.

Zinj

 

[Panda Termint]

At last, a sensible approach to the problem of Greenhouse Gas emissions!

 

[Kookaburra]

I don't think that keeping OT material off the board has anything to do with whether it can make you sick or not. It is because that board is for Scientologists and Scientologists have had it hammered into them that they are not to read the OT materials. If they do they get in ethics trouble, their bridge gets far slower and more expensive because they need OT auditors from that point forth, etc, and they will turn and RUN at the first hint of OT material. Just like Tommy Davis did on TV last week.

Now if you have ever tried to talk to someone in mode, you will know that it is not easy. They are not receptive to what you have to say. Now Gier is trying to get Scientologists, that is people who are so brainwashed that they will not only mortgage their houses and give away their children's college fund, they will give away their children and forsake their own family for a differing opinion..... he is trying to get these people to take a peek,... just a wee peek, at some true information that has been hidden from them. And they can't do that is they are running in the opposite direction screaming with their hands over their ears.

It is simply a matter of trying to salvage as many of these people as possible. And this is a way we can communicate to some of them in that terrible insulated from the real world environment they are trapped in. And I think that it may work. Gier is known and respected in the Scientology world. How many OT VIIIs can Co$ declare in a week without some of the Scilons wondering why? I think some of them will read his blog and come to that board, and I think it can be a valuable tool.

 

[Free to shine]

I think you can reveal the secrets without 'jumping on' anyone.

The thing that finally freed me up from the cult, the only thing to really do any good was finding out what the big secret level was. It's the 'mystery glue' that Laffy used to keep people stuck to the cult.




I believe it will cause problems in that excluding talking about it because of the ridiculous idea that it will hurt you somehow to read about it too soon is not only bullshit, it's counter-productive in getting people out of that nasty mind-trap, IMHO, because it furthers the illusion that the OT III body thetans in everyone crap is actually true some how.



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I bet if there was a different section of the forum that was only for those who wanted to read about upper levels that the curiosity factor alone would have people reading it, even if it took a little while and then bingo.....! I haven't read the forum rules etc, maybe this has been considered.

 

[Zinjifar]

Personally, I think the way to save Scientologists is to investigate and prosecute the Scientology Organization which will inevitably result in its demise

As an organization.

Without an organization, there will be no 'Ethics' enforcement or 'Disconnection' or RPF or OSA or....

Well, you name it. While the elimination of the Scientology Organization will *not* cure the MindFuck, all experience shows that, without a continued suppression by Organized Scientology scientologists tend to become at least functional, if not necessarily 'normal'.

Which is good enough.

Zinj

 

[Kookaburra]

From the sideline here:

The forum is born out of necessity. My blog has some 500 posts per week, and it simply takes to much time to go through it all. I figure I needed help. That is it's initial purpose. I hope it will take on a life of its own and leave me with more spare time on my hands - wife, three kids, HP calculator passion and hopefully get to bring my telescope out now and again.

I have no intention of coordinating the purpose of scnforum.org with other forums.

Then, I do not think Alex is your Alex.

As for "heavy moderation", I can say this: I have deleted less than 0,2% of the comments on my blog - and only after repeated warnings. I have removed reference to confidential material inside the comments to follow the rules laid out on my blog.

I believe in free speech. I believe in fruitful and courteous discussions, hence the simple rules.

I would like the forum to deliver real data and valuable information for the people visiting. It should be a safe place for Scientologists still in to come and read, participate and make up their own minds as to what is right for them. In this, arrogance does not help.

Well Gier, I don't know how much time this is going to save you! But at least it is a better way to spend your time than attending fundraisers for the IAS and bake sales for your new Idle Org.

I like your idea very much. I hope it enlightens lots of people.

 

[Kookaburra]

Personally, I think the way to save Scientologists is to investigate and prosecute the Scientology Organization which will inevitably result in its demise

As an organization.

Without an organization, there will be no 'Ethics' enforcement or 'Disconnection' or RPF or OSA or....

Well, you name it. While the elimination of the Scientology Organization will *not* cure the MindFuck, all experience shows that, without a continued suppression by Organized Scientology scientologists tend to become at least functional, if not necessarily 'normal'.

Which is good enough.

Zinj

All well and good, but lets take the opportunity to pull those we can out of the "train wreck in slow motion" before full impact maims them for life.

 

[Zinjifar]

All well and good, but lets take the opportunity to pull those we can out of the "train wreck in slow motion" before full impact maims them for life.

If that requires tailoring commentary to allow them a 'gradient' exit, then, that's something for someone else. Tell the truth.

The whole truth. Let the cards fall as they may.

Zinj

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

I know many 'OTs'. I have yet to see *any* evidence that Scientology, not jus the 'church' of Scientology is *anything* but a fraudulent marketing exercise.Including you Panda, much as I may like and respect you.The only actual 'product' of Scientology, besides 'Ex Scientologists' is any number of people who *think* Scientology Works.
Nobody not subjected to the 'training' believes that.

It's like painting new numbers on your speedometer to make your car go faster.

You are correct, earthman. However, beyond mere human logic, if there are 2 or more OTs that agree that the car is going faster, it would be reality. And therefore, axiomatically self-evident that...

Painted Speedometer + OT passengers joyfully harmonizing "Get Me To the Church On Time" = Ideal Donors

 

[Alanzo]

If that requires tailoring commentary to allow them a 'gradient' exit, then, that's something for someone else. Tell the truth.

The whole truth. Let the cards fall as they may.

Zinj

This is why I hate playing cards with you.

 

[Rmack]

Personally, I think the way to save Scientologists is to investigate and prosecute the Scientology Organization which will inevitably result in its demise

As an organization.

Without an organization, there will be no 'Ethics' enforcement or 'Disconnection' or RPF or OSA or....

Well, you name it. While the elimination of the Scientology Organization will *not* cure the MindFuck, all experience shows that, without a continued suppression by Organized Scientology scientologists tend to become at least functional, if not necessarily 'normal'.

Which is good enough.

Zinj

Absolutely, Zinj,

prosecuting criminal activity is the only way to go, not engaging in doctrinal disagreements.

Allowing free and open fellowship will ensure that the liars are exposed. that's why cults hate real universities, like the internet.

 

[degraded being]

This post excludes information which I have decided that you probably can't handle. If I had included it you may have
gotten sick
run away
not left the cos
ruined my future income by not coming to get auditing from me in the future
been part of my out ethics behaviour
been indirectly involved in making me look at how much money I have thrown down the shitter.
been an unwitting helper in making me realize than I am not anything but an ordinary person, despite my OT levels.
made me understand that I am as much a cult victim as you and I am not superior despite having the information I am so lovingly concealing.
known that "I am not the boss of you" - and that would really upset me, and anyway It's MY POST ok, and I can do what I like, so kiss my bloody arse and say, "well, that's really lovely DB, it's your post and you have wonderful reasons for concealing the information that you haven't revealed yet, and..and..and what else?.....um...
Oh yeah, I'm really nice, so there!

 

[Isene]

Can we conclude from this that you think you have a new playground, soon to be populated with Internet tyros who are but lambs to be sacrificed on the altar of your awesomeness?

Will they bow down to you as the bringer of truth and salvation?

This caught my attention only because I am trying to achieve the opposite.

For three months I have been running a blog where I have read and moderatet all the comments. It becomes to much for me and it becomes to much Geir. I wanted to move it into a forum where more people can moderate and share the burden and where scnforum.org takes on a life of its own - without me being the center point.

On my blog, I haven't had any day off for weeks as people constantly wait for me to approve the comments. Now I can take a weekend off with my boys when I want.

I also wanted to create that safe space for scientologists to discuss their viewpoints. A forum without any forcing of beliefs on others (either way, I might add) and no trolling for lulz. There are different places for different occasions. I feel scnforum.org can be a nice addition to what already is.

I let others fight over awesomeness, through pissing contests or otherwise.