Geir Isene: Scientology Fair Game & forced Disconnection. So what?

[Boomima]

I bet you can all be concerned about the issues that spring from Scientology (in or out of the CoS) AND other topics because your compassion is a bit larger than Isene's.

Am I wrong or is it sort of insulting to those of you who have suffered, who have relatives and friends you can't talk to anymore, and who still are dealing with trauma caused by your years in the church to be told that it's no big deal? People who got in/got out without any serious harm who tell others to just get over it already seem sort of arrogant to me. There seems to be an underlying suggestion that they are just smarter than those who suffered.

 

[Lermanet_com]

"With respect to their patterns of social exchange (Foa & Foa, 1974), they attribute love and status to themselves, seeing themselves as highly worthy and important, but prescribe neither love nor status to others, seeing them as unworthy and insignificant. " Page 89, Political Ponerology, footnote

 

[Free Being Me]

I bet you can all be concerned about the issues that spring from Scientology (in or out of the CoS) AND other topics because your compassion is a bit larger than Isene's.

Am I wrong or is it sort of insulting to those of you who have suffered, who have relatives and friends you can't talk to anymore, and who still are dealing with trauma caused by your years in the church to be told that it's no big deal? People who got in/got out without any serious harm who tell others to just get over it already seem sort of arrogant to me. There seems to be an underlying suggestion that they are just smarter than those who suffered.

Or perhaps it's fear. The inward self admissions that the way a person sees themselves, others and world has been controlled and tainted to the nth degree. The I've been through a mind control cult, nothing to see here, all is well pose imo, is just that, a pose.

It's a perfectly understandable and natural consequence when studying traumatic bonding. Traumatic bonding is a cognitive defense mechanism when experiencing abuse of whatever type be it physical, mental, emotional or combinations thereof. From that defense a person will rewrite their reality of what happened with denials compartmentalizing the abuse focusing only on a skewed good.

That's why cult recovery can take so long, if at all. Humans are resilient creatures, even going so as far as denying their own experiences to cope.

 

[TG1]

Geir has told the story many times (and again last week down in Clearwater at Flag Down 2014) of how Miscavige desperately wanted Geir to head up Scientology in Norway, where Geir, according to Geir, is a business celebrity of some renown. In other words, Geir was a well-to-do public Scientologist who got the celebrity centre treatment.

All of which makes him a world-class expert on Scientology's infamous fair game practices and forced disconnections. And when he puts this into proportion, he wonders what all the fuss is about.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Geir contemplates and admire(s) his own thinking about thinking
This is $cientology EP!

LOLOL. Perfection!

From the Scientology Axioms:

Axiom 1.1: "A Scientologist is able to mock up mockups about mocking up. Thus, there are postulates."

Axiom 1.5: "A Scientologist is also able to counter counter-intentioned mockups by mocking up counter-mockups to unmock the counter-intention before it majorly mucks up the mockups. Thus, SPs can be disposed of quietly without sorrow."​

 

[Free to shine]

I bet you can all be concerned about the issues that spring from Scientology (in or out of the CoS) AND other topics because your compassion is a bit larger than Isene's.

Am I wrong or is it sort of insulting to those of you who have suffered, who have relatives and friends you can't talk to anymore, and who still are dealing with trauma caused by your years in the church to be told that it's no big deal? People who got in/got out without any serious harm who tell others to just get over it already seem sort of arrogant to me. There seems to be an underlying suggestion that they are just smarter than those who suffered.

That's exactly right. I am well aware that such arrogant dismissal is a trigger for me, but I decided to post a somewhat uncensored response earlier in the thread, and let it stand in the light of a new day.

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

Scientology encourages this.

No-one is 'made nothing of' faster than a person who speaks out against it, an amazing thing to watch from afar and a nasty thing to experience. The whispering campaigns, the both loud and silent threats affect many thousands more than those who stand tall in the spotlight. This is what critics expose and brave people talk about.

To have someone who spoke at Flag Down come out with such statements makes me feel a little sick. It's an encouragement for people who do listen to and respect Isene (and I guess there must be some) to dismiss fair game and disconnection - and whose agenda is that?

 

[degraded being]

LOLOL. Perfection!

From the Scientology Axioms:

Axiom 1.1: "A Scientologist is able to mock up mockups about mocking up. Thus, there are postulates."

Axiom 1.5: "A Scientologist is also able to counter counter-intentioned mockups by mocking up counter-mockups to unmock the counter-intention before it majorly mucks up the mockups. Thus, SPs can be disposed of quietly without sorrow."​

Are they LRH quotes? If so, they are worthy of MY high intelligence. I will anal lize them meticulously and provide commentary for high toned admirers of MY high status. Should take about 3 years.

 

[Purple Rain]

That's exactly right. I am well aware that such arrogant dismissal is a trigger for me, but I decided to post a somewhat uncensored response earlier in the thread, and let it stand in the light of a new day.

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

Scientology encourages this.

No-one is 'made nothing of' faster than a person who speaks out against it, an amazing thing to watch from afar and a nasty thing to experience. The whispering campaigns, the both loud and silent threats affect many thousands more than those who stand tall in the spotlight. This is what critics expose and brave people talk about.

To have someone who spoke at Flag Down come out with such statements makes me feel a little sick. It's an encouragement for people who do listen to and respect Isene (and I guess there must be some) to dismiss fair game and disconnection - and whose agenda is that?

Exactly. I did leave staff 20 years ago, and I tried to put it behind me and build a new life - mostly because who wants to be fair gamed for speaking out? Not long after I left my org, the same people did this to somebody else:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhCsOmVAUkI

When I finally broke through the fear barrier 17 years later I vowed I would never be silenced again - not by Scientology and certainly not by ignorant Indie Hubbard wannabes who know nothing about my life and my interests, let alone my spirituality.

The presumptions and assumptions are astounding.

I don't tell them how to live their lives, why don't they mind their own damned business? Long live freedom of speech. It's nobody else's business what I say or how I feel.

I'm certainly not going to shut up while they are still hurting people. Deal with it, Indies. We're not going anywhere.

 

[Knows]

LOLOL. Perfection!

From the Scientology Axioms:

Axiom 1.1: "A Scientologist is able to mock up mockups about mocking up. Thus, there are postulates."

Axiom 1.5: "A Scientologist is also able to counter counter-intentioned mockups by mocking up counter-mockups to unmock the counter-intention before it majorly mucks up the mockups. Thus, SPs can be disposed of quietly without sorrow."​

Belly laugh-out-loud!!

Hoaxie - you are so funny!

Thank you for your wit and humor - it lightens our load!

 

[lotus]

LOLOL. Perfection!

From the Scientology Axioms:

Axiom 1.1: "A Scientologist is able to mock up mockups about mocking up. Thus, there are postulates."

Axiom 1.5: "A Scientologist is also able to counter counter-intentioned mockups by mocking up counter-mockups to unmock the counter-intention before it majorly mucks up the mockups. Thus, SPs can be disposed of quietly without sorrow."​

 

[freethinker]

According to Geir's philosophy, it's OK to commit crime as long as it is small scale.

It's OK to kill if you limit it to, let's say,one maybe two people a lifetime, so choose wisely.

Reputation destroying is a little more expansive and you could probably get away with 10 if you do a good job.

Hey kidnapping is also OK, it's just another form of disconnection. Just pick families that have lots of kids so it won't be as noticeable.

Blackmail is cool. It helps keep the competition down and hey, they shouldn't be doing things that they can be blackmailed for anyway so it's totally justifiable.

People make such a fuss about this shit but you gotta do what you gotta do. Just do it in moderation and it will be acceptable, at least to me anyway.

One has to put ludicrousy in perspective in order to see it.

Do you see what you are saying now Geir?

Just in case someone thinks I condone or do any of the above, I emphatically do not.

...

A final comment on Scientologists like Geir Isene.

He's smart as hell, but he is simply not as amazing as he pretends to be, particularly while he is camped out in a blind spot as huge as the Grand Canyon. And ps, he ain't out of Scientology. He just thinks he knows more "tech" than Hubbard.

Need proof?

1. Read and understand what he says:
"Fair Game & forced Disconnection. So what? I can’t help wonder what all the fuss is about."

2. Now, go ahead and Fair Game Geir and his business and source(s) of income. Make sure you really "utterly ruin" him financially.

3. Next, use Disconnection to break up his family and get his wife to suddenly leave him.

4. Then, when he suffers and cries, tell him: "So what? I can't help wonder what all the fuss is about."

5. Now, watch Geir's cognitive dissonance suddenly and magically as-is.
​

For the record, this is one of the things about Scientologists that I most abhor. Their self-congratulatory hypocrisy. They don't give a shit about Hubbard's sociopathic crimes. Until it's done to them (see life history of Marty Rathbun, Mike Rinder and other former OSA goons).

When the fair gamers get fair gamed, watch out! That's the exact point they suddenly will get all "integrity" and "code of honor" on your ass.

 

[guanoloco]

Maybe Geir is an idiOT?

 

[Lone Star]

LOLOL. Perfection!

From the Scientology Axioms:

Axiom 1.1: "A Scientologist is able to mock up mockups about mocking up. Thus, there are postulates."

Axiom 1.5: "A Scientologist is also able to counter counter-intentioned mockups by mocking up counter-mockups to unmock the counter-intention before it majorly mucks up the mockups. Thus, SPs can be disposed of quietly without sorrow."​

Ahhh....the wonderful world of Hubbard-speak. Like the word "destruction" just didn't work for him. Nooooo... So it became counter-creation, or counter-create.

Sounds more religious....I mean scientific....I mean philosophical...I mean......

 

[Thrak]

I for one have found Geir's journey out of the COS interesting and relevant. I don't know where he was at when he made these comments maybe he had a couple too many cocktails. But I'm not going to rip him to shreds over a couple of comments when a lot of the other things he's said have been valuable. Kind of amazing to see how people react to things. I guess he's replaced Marty for SP of the week.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

I for one have found Geir's journey out of the COS interesting and relevant. I don't know where he was at when he made these comments maybe he had a couple too many cocktails. But I'm not going to rip him to shreds over a couple of comments when a lot of the other things he's said have been valuable. Kind of amazing to see how people react to things. I guess he's replaced Marty for SP of the week.

Would you feel any differently if Geir was wearing a full-dress SO uniform (acting as the COS spokesman) while he gave that very same press release, saying: "Yeah, we Fair Game people, so what? LOL"

 

[tetloj]

Exactly. I did leave staff 20 years ago, and I tried to put it behind me and build a new life - mostly because who wants to be fair gamed for speaking out? Not long after I left my org, the same people did this to somebody else:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhCsOmVAUkI

I haven't seen this one before PR - heartbreaking

 

[AnonyMary]

Geir Isene. You have Asperger like me. The path of thinking you are on leads to delussional thinking. But maybe your girlfriend is into that.

Attack the idea, not the person.

You are new here.. please read the rules....

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?2-Board-Rules

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...es-a-Truce-and-Moratorium-on-Personal-Attacks

Your derogatory comment is an insult to those here with Asperger's syndrome and to Geir and his lovely and smart wife Anette.

 

[Anonycat]

Attack the idea, not the person.

You are new here.. please read the rules....

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?2-Board-Rules

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...es-a-Truce-and-Moratorium-on-Personal-Attacks

Your derogatory comment is an insult to those here with Asperger's syndrome and to Geir and his lovely and smart wife Anette.

CD has said in the past that he's an Aspie.

 

[AnonyMary]

CD has said in the past that he's an Aspie.

So what? He accuses Geir of being one. There are others here who have this. The comment implies Asperger=delusional

Cat Daddy has only 9 posts, none of which state anything about having Asperger's.
http://www.forum.exscn.net/search.php?searchid=4261447

Unless Cat Daddy is a new nic for AnonKat ( who posts as Cat Daddy on Marty's blog) . If so, what the heck is he doing with 2 nics here?

 

[Anonycat]

So what? He accuses Geir of being one. There are others here who have this. The comment implies Asperger=delusional

Cat Daddy has only 9 posts, none of which state anything about having Asperger's.
http://www.forum.exscn.net/search.php?searchid=4261447

Unless Cat Daddy is a new nic for AnonKat ( who posts as Cat Daddy on Marty's blog) . If so, what the heck is he doing with 2 nics here?

All I am saying is that he didn't mean any harm or insult by it. He's saying that he feels they are alike. That's all.