Geir Isene: Scientology Fair Game & forced Disconnection. So what?

[Cat Daddy]

Having spent time with him I'd say it was an attempt at humour
that is a bit obscure, rather than an attack. Its not his way to attack people.

He is Cat daddy.

You are on to me, I wanted to shake things up a bit as Scientologists hate Psychiatric labels, Funny how they have or rather Hubbard has invented so many labels himself. But that's another thread.

Geir Isene might have been shocked by the revelations by Jamie the Wolf.

I think that triggered some automatic defensive response reaction.

Smart Hubbard was Smart building in a Defensive Reactive Mind into his followers.

Hubbard had a GOOD inside in the MECHANICS of the mind, but no understanding what LOVE ment. I think he couldn't.

His processes can be used for bad or good that is what I got from it

 

[Ogsonofgroo]

My own version of the scilon Wheel O' [STRIKE]Life[/STRIKE]Lies (thanks to Freake @WWP), I don't remember if I've posted it here before, but a gift to all~

As for Geir's 'blah-blah...do the bridge again.. blah-blah', good lordy, better get some extra bracing under it first
My unrepentant comment from 'the other place'~

Cult apologist Geir Isene, trying to divert attention from the depths of Hubbard's insanity with the ol' "It ain't so bad as the rest of the world blah-blah-blah..." , strikes me as some sort of weird straw-dog thingy, maybe he is looking forward to some sort of credibility (lolol) for the Indie bunch. Regardless, he is a great sucker of LRon's rancid nipples, and I have little doubt would re-write history (or omitting the obvious) if he could, to create an illusion of a kinder, less insane Hubbard. You can paint a pig any color you want, dress it up in finery, teach it to dance and sing opera, and its still a pig, and Hubbard's confabulation is one, big, smelly, bloated pig.

Uck.

Back to my morning reading

 

[Cat Daddy]

You are being as obnoxious as Geir.

I really like him as a person, I think he is friendly and good.

[video=youtube;CRWPzz7dR_E]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRWPzz7dR_E[/video]

 

[George Layton]

Look, I agree that disconnection as applied by CoS is idiotic. Although there are some situations where it is better not to associate with. But that is not how the CoS does disconnection. The whole idea that another party, somebody else than myself, would decide who "I" am supposed to connect or disconnect is frivolous to say the least.

Friends and the people one loves are the most valuable things on earth. Never, ever let somebody take that away! Money and material things are meaningless compared to a lost friendship. I lost my best friend over 20 years ago (he died very young) and I still miss him.

It is not that I am obnoxious like somebody else suspected earlier.

No, but I do believe in freedom of making one's own mistakes. People don't learn if they are not allowed to make mistakes. And yes, they will wake up one day and realize what they have done! Once they do that, they will never be the same. You have to let them experience the sorrow, pain and shame. If it takes that to drive home the lesson, well so be it. That sounds cruel and heartless, certainly. But in the long run, now I mean long, really long run, it will make them a better person than they would have been without that heartbreaking experience.

I think that disconnection is not the end of the world. You can always reverse it, at least as long the other person is still around. Still, it is unpleasant when somebody disconnects one loves because of Scientology. Happened to me too. She didn't even reply my friendly hello on the street when I bumped into her but turned her face away. Yet, it was not the end of the world.

You have got to get over such things. For me disconnection is not an issue I would be much concerned about. It's a choice people make. Let them make it. Let them go for it, why not? Chicken are coming home to roost later

People are being manipulated into the disconnection. One reason the disconnection is wrong because it is based on false premise. The manipulation is what needs to be stopped. Worst of all some folks won't see that they have been and continue to be manipulated.

 

[This is NOT OK !!!!]

Dear Gier (Donald Sterling) Isen,

Since you're still a Scientologist, I'm going to apply some LRH tech to this "Out PR" situation you've found yourself in, namely that you've alienated and outraged the ex-scientologists with your comments about disconnection.

It's going to be really tough to sign these people up for processing in the freezone because of your PR flub. How the fuck are we going to make round ball-bearings out of these people after this collossal fuck up?

Do you see that?

Bottom line Geir is that you're in a lower condition to the free zone.

Got it?

You're in FUCKING TREASON PAL!

So get busy!

Find out that you are.

P.S. And don't have one of your nit-wits come around here and claim you don't believe in ethics teck (sic). You obviously believe in ethics tech, because how else could you have justified disconnection as you did, since disconnection is one of the lynch-pins of its application?

YOU FUCKING GOT THAT?????

S T A R T !

(Mods: Please dismiss this standard application of LRH Tech.)

 

[JustSheila]

Not an Insult, let me refrase than. Geir has the capacity to think along a path that can get more obsessive and narrow loosing touch with reality.

A lot of truth is in his thinking but if taken to extremes you can loose context.

I myself have that capacity too. It can result in awesome associative thinking and seeing parralels too


[video=youtube;J7QOAUcqyYc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7QOAUcqyYc[/video]

Geir Isene left the Church of Scientology in 2009, after being a member for 25 years. He is the only person in Norway that has reached the highest spiritual level in Scientology, OT 8. He recently released an autobiography where he writes openly about Scientology's inner secrets - the OT levels are described in detail. Link to his book release: http://isene.me/2013/09/01/1984/

Thank you for posting this, Cat Daddy.

Geir can be quite brilliant. He can have an amazing intellectual capacity - By his own statement, it was his use of a higher logic that helped him see through the lies of Scientology.

For that reason, I am that much more disappointed in him. Cat Daddy, you helped to put this in perspective. Thanks.

Some of Geir's closest friends have commented affectionately about his distancing from others when he goes on a big thinking spree. In this case, the method of logic itself is faulty. We see it easily, but I am not sure Geir does. Nor do I believe he's clearly thought through the effects of his posting something so nauseating to those of us whom have lost loved ones. If Geir is affected by Aspergers or similar, that would explain why he really can't see the big deal.

 

[lotus]

My own version of the scilon Wheel O' [STRIKE]Life[/STRIKE]Lies (thanks to Freake @WWP), I don't remember if I've posted it here before, but a gift to all~

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Brilliant!
Never seen it before - it's one of the best image to illustrate the mind prison.

This is really what the spinning wheel of $cientology is about !

 

[degraded being]

Thank you for posting this, Cat Daddy.

Geir can be quite brilliant. He can have an amazing intellectual capacity - By his own statement, it was his use of a higher logic that helped him see through the lies of Scientology.

For that reason, I am that much more disappointed in him. Cat Daddy, you helped to put this in perspective. Thanks.

Some of Geir's closest friends have commented affectionately about his distancing from others when he goes on a big thinking spree. In this case, the method of logic itself is faulty. We see it easily, but I am not sure Geir does. Nor do I believe he's clearly thought through the effects of his posting something so nauseating to those of us whom have lost loved ones. If Geir is affected by Aspergers or similar, that would explain why he really can't see the big deal.

Sorry but what did everyone else use to see through the lies of scientology? Lower logic?
Logic that is not as brilliant as the logic that Geir used? Or something else that is not as brilliant as the higher logic that Geir used? And why did he have to use this "higher logic" to handle this awesome task? Was it because he was too dumb to use common sense or lower forms of logic and to see that they were perfectly adequate for the task.? Or was it because he had to have his ego stroked by himself and others by making his disillusionment into the product of a brilliant mind? Or was it because being duped and conned to the tune of 250+ grand was too humiliating for such a brilliant person, so it had to be spun in a way that would save face?

If Geir is brilliant, or intelligent, or extra intelligent, so be it. But there is a lot of BS around that idea,and suppositions about it, whether it is true or not.

 

[Udarnik]

I'll re-post this over here, too, where I originally meant to post (work + end of school = not much sleep):

It is worth noting some spectacularly obvious false equivalence from Geir in the "logic" of someone so vaunted for his intelligence.

I have some dogs in the immigration fight. I am passionate about the Dream Act. My wife was an illegal from the late 70s to 1986, and Reagan's Amnesty turned her life's path from Chinese restaurant hostess to Ph.D. physical chemist. That was never an assured outcome - her mother knew damn well when she came here illegally that the family would be hiding from the authorities long term, and if caught, the sisters born here might face a different fate from my wife and the siblings born in Taiwan. There is quite a bit of harshness in Immigration Law.

BUT.

No one who comes here illegally doesn't know what bad things can happen, and know that right up front.

Unlike Scientology.

Illegal immigrants often pay taxes (and in some cases pay Social Security taxes they can never see the benefits of) - but they are not stripped of all their assets and can even thrive (as did my MIL who owned a restaurant while illegal).

Unlike Scientology.

Utter and total disconnection is NOT the same fucking thing as deportation. The deported can still phone, email, and otherwise communicate with their loved ones. The US citizens and green card holders can visit their relatives and come back home.

Unlike Scientology.

And the US Government does not give a rat's ass what the deported do back home, or what they say about the US or its government. The INS, nasty as they can be, does not fair game deportees.

Unlike Scientology.

That false equivalence is one of the most fuckwitted statements I've seen coming out of an Indie, and THAT is saying a lot.

Someone seems to be butthurt that people on ESMB keep maintaining that someone's chosen spiritual path is, well, batshit crazy. And they keep doing with with mountains of evidence that make it difficult to put up with the cognitive dissonance.

Tough shit.

 

[Udarnik]

Sorry but what did everyone else use to see through the lies of scientology? Lower logic?
Logic that is not as brilliant as the logic that Geir used? Or something else that is not as brilliant as the higher logic that Geir used? And why did he have to use this "higher logic" to handle this awesome task? Was it because he was too dumb to use common sense or lower forms of logic and to see that they were perfectly adequate for the task.? Or was it because he had to have his ego stroked by himself and others by making his disillusionment into the product of a brilliant mind? Or was it because being duped and conned to the tune of 250+ grand was too humiliating for such a brilliant person, so it had to be spun in a way that would save face?

If Geir is brilliant, or intelligent, or extra intelligent, so be it. But there is a lot of BS around that idea,and suppositions about it, whether it is true or not.

Logic is a means of arriving at the wrong conclusion with confidence.

Agreement with reality derives from the assumptions and boundary conditions used to set up the logical framework.

 

[degraded being]

Logic is a means of arriving at the wrong conclusion with confidence.

Agreement with reality derives from the assumptions and boundary conditions used to set up the logical framework.

Decult me baby!

 

[He-man]

Lol - Science beats logic with a schtick. What has the world come to.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

I'll re-post this over here, too, where I originally meant to post (work + end of school = not much sleep):

It is worth noting some spectacularly obvious false equivalence from Gehr in the "logic" of someoneso vaunted for his intelligence.

I have some dogs in the immigration fight. I am passionate about the Dream Act. My wife was an illegal from the late 70s to 1986, and Reagan's Amnesty turned her life's path from Chinese restaurant hostess to Ph.D. physical chemist. That was never an assured outcome - her mother knew damn well when she came here illegally that the family would be hiding from the authorities long term, and if caught, the sisters born here might face a different fate from my wife and the siblings born in Taiwan. There is quite a bit of harshness in Immigration Law.

BUT.

No one who comes here illegally doesn't know what bad things can happen, and know that right up front.

Unlike Scientology.

Illegal immigrants often pay taxes (and in some cases pay Social Security taxes they can never see the benefits of) - but they are not stripped of all their assets and can even thrive (as did my MIL who owned a restaurant while illegal).

Unlike Scientology.

Utter and total disconnection is NOT the same fucking thing as deportation. The deported can still phone, email, and otherwise communicate with their loved ones. The US citizens and green card holders can visit their relatives and come back home.

Unlike Scientology.

And the US Government does not give a rat's ass what the deported do back home, or what they say about the US or its government. The INS, nasty as they can be, does not fair game deportees.

Unlike Scientology.

That false equivalence is one of the most fuckwitted statements I've seen coming out of an Indie, and THAT is saying a lot.

Someone seems to be butthurt that people on ESMB keep maintaining that someone's chosen spiritual path is, well, batshit crazy. And they keep doing with with mountains of evidence that make it difficult to put up with the cognitive dissonance.

Tough shit.

I liked the simple clarity of your post.

And, about that "vaunted intelligence"....

vaunt verb \ˈvȯnt, ˈvänt\ intransitive verb : to make a vain display of one's own worth or attainments : brag

Seems that Geir is the one instigating all that vaunting. LOL. Near the beginning of this thread, DB questioned the oddity of Geir's appearance as a speaker at FlagDown:

".....Which I guess means that Flagdown (which Geir insisted he be allowed to speak at)....."

Say wut?

That really made me wonder why he would crash a party of hardcore whistleblowers and human rights activists-- only to announce that he would gladly re-do his "Bridge" at twice the price. That's got to rank way up there near the top of the list of Geir Isene WTF moments. The strangeness of why Geir would push himself into such an event as a speaker really stuck with me. Thus I turned to his own Blog for the answer:

From Geir's Blog.

Looking forward to speaking tonight at the FLAGDOWN 2014 conference.

This weekend Anette and myself will visit the Sunshine State and stay for the first part of Flag Down 2014.



We will be joined by a Norwegian film crew, documenting our every move. I will be speaking on the first day of the six-day event along with prominent speakers on the subject of Scientology. It should prove to be an interesting experience.

Ohhhhh, I get it now. A film crew is documenting his every move. He must be a very important guy. Thus he must be shown to be doing very important stuff.

It should be noted that Geir only scheduled himself to speak at the event. He did not stay at the event to hear anyone else speak or otherwise support the cause of ridding the world of the fraud and terrorism of the COS (Crimewave of Scientology).

In fact his takeaway was to post the abominable "Fair Game--so what?" that sparked this thread.

Could it be that Geir is working far harder to make himself famous (for being famous) than to accomplish something to be famous about?

Why do I have this nagging feeling that Geir is rapidly becoming the Kim Kardashian of Scientology? LOL

 

[Udarnik]

I liked the simple clarity of your post.

And, about that "vaunted intelligence"....



Seems that Geir is the one instigating all that vaunting. LOL. Near the beginning of this thread, DB questioned the oddity of Geir's appearance as a speaker at FlagDown:



That really made me wonder why he would crash a party of hardcore whistleblowers and human rights activists-- only to announce that he would gladly re-do his "Bridge" at twice the price. That's got to rank way up there near the top of the list of Geir Isene WTF moments. The strangeness of why Geir would push himself into such an event as a speaker really stuck with me. Thus I turned to his own Blog for the answer:



Ohhhhh, I get it now. A film crew is documenting his every move. He must be a very important guy. Thus he must be shown to be doing very important stuff.

It should be noted that Geir only scheduled himself to speak at the event. He did not stay at the event to hear anyone else speak or otherwise support the cause of ridding the world of the fraud and terrorism of the COS (Crimewave of Scientology).

In fact his takeaway was to post the abominable "Fair Game--so what?" that sparked this thread.

Could it be that Geir is working far harder to make himself famous (for being famous) than to accomplish something to be famous about?

Why do I have this nagging feeling that Geir is rapidly becoming the Kim Kardashian of Scientology? LOL

You know, I'd almost feel bad for Indies who are thrust mercilessly into the real world with no skills other than $cientological ones, if it were not for the fact that their survival strategy involves perpetuating the evil bullshit.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

...

Vaunted intelligence PART II:

From Geir's Blog.

CONTACT & BOOKING
You can book me for seminars and talks on a wide range of topics – from motivation, organizational and personal efficiency, how to give talks and effectively coach people to subjects such as astrophysics, free will, raising of children, recruitment and much more. I never hold the exact same talk, seminar, workshop or training session twice. It is always tailored to the audience, always different and never dull. Fiery, often crazy, sometimes outrageous but always aimed at creating real value for the participants. I have held hundreds of very successful talks with rave reviews. You can have a pile of references from people who have been blown away from attending one of my seminars, talks or workshops.

Oh I get it (again).

Geir is promoting himself as a paid celebrity self-help guru.

It is "never dull". He is "fiery, often crazy, sometimes outrageous...."

Yeah, okay, now it makes more sense why he says incredibly stupid things.

Wogs have a term for it. Attention whore.

 

[Udarnik]

...

Vaunted intelligence PART II:

From Geir's Blog.


Oh I get it (again).

Geir is promoting himself as a paid celebrity self-help guru.

It is "never dull". He is "fiery, often crazy, sometimes outrageous...."

Yeah, okay, now it makes more sense why he says incredibly stupid things.

Wogs have a term for it. Attention whore.

You mean like M&M?

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

...

Vaunted Intelligence PART III:

From Geir's BLOG.

I shared a video on Facebook yesterday that stired more than 50 comments in a very short time.
I posted this: “And we cling to our orderly rules and safe precautions. Who said we need traffic lights and stop signs?

[video=youtube;OTyK7baSeTk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTyK7baSeTk[/video]

"Who said we need traffic lights and stop signs?" (- Geir Isene, noted celebrity philosopher)

Gee. That's really intelligent Geir!

The city of Addis (Ethiopia) is widely recognized as one of the world's deadliest 10 cities to drive in.

Ethiopia is statistically the most dangerous place to drive worldwide, with more deaths per motor vehicle than any other country. No traffic signals? No problem! Don't even worry about driving drunk, there are no laws against that either.

Let's check the scoreboard so far and see how intelligent Geir is.

Redoing the Bridge at twice the price. FAIL

Giving positive PR spin to Scientology Disconnection and Fair Game. FAIL

Promoting anarchistic traffic laws and holding up the mecca of driving deaths as an ideal scene. FAIL
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Hey, for anyone who can make it, Geir will be making a guest speaking appearance at the upcoming Auschwitz Memorial Ceremony where he will raise tone levels with a theta talk entitled: "Holocaust--So What?"

 

[He-man]

You know, I'd almost feel bad for Indies who are thrust mercilessly into the real world with no skills other than $cientological ones, if it were not for the fact that their survival strategy involves perpetuating the evil bullshit.

I don't - Scientologists outside the Church is awesome - It completely evens the playfield when actual discussions do happen.

...

Wogs have a term for it. Attention whore.

You mean like M&M?

 

[secretiveoldfag]

I liked the simple clarity of your post.

And, about that "vaunted intelligence"....



Seems that Geir is the one instigating all that vaunting. LOL. Near the beginning of this thread, DB questioned the oddity of Geir's appearance as a speaker at FlagDown:



That really made me wonder why he would crash a party of hardcore whistleblowers and human rights activists-- only to announce that he would gladly re-do his "Bridge" at twice the price. That's got to rank way up there near the top of the list of Geir Isene WTF moments. The strangeness of why Geir would push himself into such an event as a speaker really stuck with me. Thus I turned to his own Blog for the answer:



Ohhhhh, I get it now. A film crew is documenting his every move. He must be a very important guy. Thus he must be shown to be doing very important stuff.

It should be noted that Geir only scheduled himself to speak at the event. He did not stay at the event to hear anyone else speak or otherwise support the cause of ridding the world of the fraud and terrorism of the COS (Crimewave of Scientology).

In fact his takeaway was to post the abominable "Fair Game--so what?" that sparked this thread.

Could it be that Geir is working far harder to make himself famous (for being famous) than to accomplish something to be famous about?

Why do I have this nagging feeling that Geir is rapidly becoming the Kim Kardashian of Scientology? LOL

Nonono. There are many differences. Kim is mainly famous for her bottom. She has the largest bottom in the celebusiness. She defines the celebottom. Her bottom is a real, tangible, immense but measurable asset. Film crews fight to film her fanny.

In Geir's case his bottom is of normal proportions; it might even be insignificant. It is his self-admiration that is enormous and immeasurable. There are other differences. Unlike Kim he has to promote himself by insulting his hosts whereas Kim gets paid megabucks just to be there and be insulted. She does not need to open her mouth or organise a film crew to be famous. They have to be paid to film Geir.

Who is, as I have thought for a long long time, a fatuous idiot and not improving as he gets older.

Point two: I see he is offering himself as an authority on bringing up children. How does he justify his trading in his wonderful wife Katrine and losing 50 per cent of his time with his three boys (his own statement)? Maybe Katrine saw the writing on the wall and directed her own exit but the three boys certainly did not deserve this. Another leaf out of Hubbard's book?

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Nonono. There are many differences. Kim is mainly famous for her bottom. She has the largest bottom in the celebusiness. She defines the celebottom. Her bottom is a real, tangible, immense but measurable asset. Film crews fight to film her fanny.

In Geir's case his bottom is of normal proportions; it is his self-admiration that is immeasurable. There are other differences. Unlike Kim he has to promote himself by insulting his hosts whereas Kim gets paid megabucks just to BE THERE and be insulted. She does not need to open her mouth or organise a film crew to be famous. They have to be paid to film Geir.

Who is, as I have thought for a long long time, a fatuous idiot and not improving as he gets older.

Point two: I see he is offering himself as a speaker on bringing up children. How does he justify his trading in his wonderful wife Katrine and losing 50 per cent of his time with his three boys (his own statement)? Maybe Katrine saw the writing on the wall and directed her own exit but the three boys certainly did not deserve this.

Perhaps Geir is simply following Kim Kardashian's successful actions to garner fame.

Thus, trying to make an ass of himself.