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secretiveoldfag

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I guess somebody here pissed him off? I do approve the idea of free-sourcing scn though.. For one thing, it would make it all available for public and scientific scrutiny.

It would make it all available for immediate use by all wanabee Leaders, not only Charles Manson and Marty. Despite the fact that he was the youngest Eagle Scout on the Planet, Hubbard's tech is dangerous.

It's the secrecy that causes most of the problems.

It's Sci-tech that causes ALL the problems, particularly the nice humane friendly bits. I'm new on this forum but the problems and suffering among exes are truly awesome.

IMO the last thing we should be doing is to liberate Hubbard's tech. How we get that genie back into the bottle I don't know.
 
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Dulloldfart

Squirrel Extraordinaire
Geirs all right with me. He didn't smack me for calling him.......

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I read this as "a screw loose." I thought of cog or cogwheel, but honestly didn't think of gear. That's probably because I already had the "screw loose" item. If I hadn't had that and was still poking around I might have got "gear."

I don't know if anyone mentioned this. I see this thread has somehow accumulated 100 posts overnight and I'm not interested enough in it to read them all.

Paul
 

Carmel

Crusader
It's probably a transcriptionist error, but you left out "c".

The pattern in Scientology, since its inception, is:
a) People are helped by Scientology
b) then, the same people are screwed by Scientology and/or screwed up by Scientology.
c) "People" continue to believe that "a" is help, not the BAIT part of Bait & Switch.
I have only just caught up with this thread and have found it interesting, coz I have found myself understanding and agreeing with opposing points of view.

I think that this post above pretty well sums it up for me.

I don't see any benefit in denying the value of the bait. By the same token, the lack of recognition that the good stuff was bait for the trap of Scientology, isn't at all cool from where I sit. I understand the denial though. I think there are some who only ever accepted the bait, and I get how and why they may believe that this is what Scientology is and was intended to be (I know I thought that). I don't see the point in slamming that perspective......I'd rather see it discussed to the point where other perspectives were looked at and accepted.

Promotion of something harmful is hard to swallow. At the same time, denial of truths doesn't open doors for the whole truth.

Scientology has many aspects. It's only after time that ya get to see them all, if ya ever do. IMO, being 'hell bent' on certain aspects of it while denying other aspects of it, clouds one's opinion or view and the truth of it all. I reckon this applies to rabid critics and pro techies alike.

I hold the view that Scn wasn't all bad. However, I believe that the stuff which wasn't bad was the bait which hooked me and *so* many into something that was *incredibly* bad. It irks me when I see Scn being promoted as something which was or is good. However, I think it's better to offer a different perspective, rather than slam the one ya don't agree with.
 

Mick Wenlock

Admin Emeritus (retired)
Geir's message is not poison.

You know what? This is the ARS part of ESMB which is quite toxic.

Look at the terms you are using to describe a set of ideas. Look at the belligerence with which you are conducting yourself. Against what?

Against people who are just like you were.

There is something wrong with that.

Scientology is not a Nazi Blitzkrieg, or a US Shock and Awe Invasion. It's not even a huge oil spill.

It's a stupid, pinheaded, fanatic, insignificant cult. That's all it is. The people who are caught up in it do not have Zyclon B on their hands. They just read some books and listened to some tapes and think they know everything. And the ones YOU are talking to don't even run an RPF!

Be more helpful and supportive than you are self-righteous and destructive.

take your own advice Lonzo - the only person spewing unpleasantness at the moment - is YOU.

Take a step back and read what you are writing.
 

Smilla

Ordinary Human
I have only just caught up with this thread and have found it interesting, coz I have found myself understanding and agreeing with opposing points of view.

I think that this post above pretty well sums it up for me.

I don't see any benefit in denying the value of the bait. By the same token, the lack of recognition that the good stuff was bait for the trap of Scientology, isn't at all cool from where I sit. I understand the denial though. I think there are some who only ever accepted the bait, and I get how and why they may believe that this is what Scientology is and was intended to be (I know I thought that). I don't see the point in slamming that perspective......I'd rather see it discussed to the point where other perspectives were looked at and accepted.

Promotion of something harmful is hard to swallow. At the same time, denial of truths doesn't open doors for the whole truth.

Scientology has many aspects. It's only after time that ya get to see them all, if ya ever do. IMO, being 'hell bent' on certain aspects of it while denying other aspects of it, clouds one's opinion or view and the truth of it all. I reckon this applies to rabid critics and pro techies alike.

I hold the view that Scn wasn't all bad. However, I believe that the stuff which wasn't bad was the bait which hooked me and *so* many into something that was *incredibly* bad. It irks me when I see Scn being promoted as something which was or is good. However, I think it's better to offer a different perspective, rather than slam the one ya don't agree with.

Thanks Carmel. Like you, I don't believe that whatever good there might be in Scientology makes up for the bad. There's much more bad than good. I have no interest in the good, and oppose the bad. This is one situation where throwing out the baby with the bath water makes sense. I can't see how hammering one person helps, though.
 
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I can't see how hammering one person helps, though.

The intent is not to hammer one person.

The point is to show that sugar-coating Scieintology, the bait part of Scientology, doesn't make it any less of a bait.

Sugar-coating it only makes it more effective bait.

The Anabaptist Jacques
 

Vinaire

Sponsor
Criticism

Criticism is a skill that requires practice to be good at. Anybody can bash another; but that is not criticism. That is bashing.

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Veda

Sponsor
Open source to Scientology. And what does that mean exactly?

That the "free market" can make you a superman?

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Firstly, the below is not about Geir, who appears to be in a period of transition, or his Blog, etc., but since the subject has been broached, have a look at some of alternative Scientology's that offer, and/or advocate, the "LRH Bridge."

Apparently, there's a market for Scientology Superman, and for the "LRH Bridge":

"The distance from wog to Clear is great... and from Clear to OTVII, well, that is a quantum leap. From OT VII to OT VIII, it is light years... it's never been done, not in this universe, not in any universe..." OT VIII Success Story from Tommy Thompson http://www.icause.net audited by Pierre Ethier. http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=398394&postcount=868 and http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?p=429352&highlight=wipe

The International Freeezone Association: http://internationalfreezone.net

Ron's Orgs - the number one FZ group, world wide: http://galac-patra.narod.ru/index.html

Friends of LRH: http://www.friendsoflrh.org
 

nozeno

Gold Meritorious Patron
You will know you are free of scientology when you don't have even the slightest urge to read Geir's blog.

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Or that other nut Marty Rat Bone.

 

I told you I was trouble

Suspended animation
We are Ex scientologists and we have no obligation whatsoever to be helpful or supportive to people that are still flogging cultic thinking to others.


Some people just can't rid themselves of the Messiah syndrome (some are still besotted by hubbard and others seem to be under the delusion that they are the Messiah themselves) ... it is sad and is not always harmless!
 

Mockingbird6

Patron with Honors
My bet is still on

At one point Geir said he was not going to come back and look at any more posts on this thread.

I posted, betting he would be back.

He came back.

My bet is still on.

Of course, he may not post to let us know, but I bet he has read every post on this thread and is itching to deny that he has done so.

LOL
 

Zinjifar

Silver Meritorious Sponsor
Heh. The actual message of this thread is 'It's all about Alanzo' :)

But, we knew that already...

Zinj
 

Veda

Sponsor
It's probably a transcriptions error, but you left out "c".

The pattern in Scientology, since its inception, is:
a) People are helped by Scientology
b) then, the same people are screwed by Scientology and/or screwed up by Scientology.
c) "People" continue to believe that "a" is help, not the BAIT part of Bait & Switch.

It wasn't evil transcriptionists, I take full responsibility for the omission. It's just that I've made the point about a thousand times already :), here's the 776th time with a link (the 438th time) that describes the bait and switch further:

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=431143&postcount=93

Anyway, I'm actually hoping to start a "new religious movement" centered around the Three Stooges, and was hoping Alanzo would consent to be the leader. It all depends on whether or not he can go "Woo! woo! woo! woo! woo!" and spin around in circles. :p

The pattern in Scientology, since its inception, is: a) People are helped by Scientology b) then, the same people are screwed by Scientology and/or screwed up by Scientology.

Here's a buncha links. I don't feel like explaining this again. :)

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=436148&postcount=72

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-D6l9K-IrNk&feature=related
 

Vinaire

Sponsor
It wasn't evil transcriptionists, I take full responsibility for the omission. It's just that I've made the point about a thousand times already :), here's the 776th time:

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=431143&postcount=93

Anyway, I'm actually hoping to start a "new religious movement" centered around The Three Stooges, and was hoping Alanzo would consent to be the leader. It all depends on whether or not he can go "Woo! woo! woo!" and spin around in circles. :p


Veda is trying to be funny! It is good. :)

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Nicole

Silver Meritorious Patron
I want to take a few from outside of the "Ex" or not "Ex" / Good or Bad problem.
It exists two parts of Ex - Scientologist:

1. That ones of you, that say no more in any way.
2. That ones of you that beliefe in the tech, and make different thinks of the Scientology - Organization carrying the responsibelity for the "bad" things

I think it exist a way out of Scientology where you are really pissed of the "Church" and you leave it because of the problems that the "Church" made. It exists "good" things in the tech, imo it works and you felt and saw it.

Human beeings are different. Some needs this support of the tech others are are able to go away and break with everything. The need of the support can also be a way to come "free". It can be a way to break with everything.

It isn't so a good example. But I spend lots of time in my childhood with my grandmother. She educated me catholic. If I am now as adult go in a catholic church it is like a little bit coming home. I like it to be there although I am Atheist. I think you feel the same about Scientology.

The problem is, that there exist people that want to make a new "Church" after Hubbard Ideology. They want to take the "good" and make the "bad" gone. That doesn't work. Hubbards Ideology and the tech is mind control and it will be allways mind control. That part of the "Church" can't get change. They will use the things that help as decoy. In the "Church" are that things used as decoy too.
 

Alanzo

Bardo Tulpa
take your own advice Lonzo - the only person spewing unpleasantness at the moment - is YOU.

Take a step back and read what you are writing.

When Mick Wenlock has to be the guy to tell you that you are "spewing unpleasantness" then you know you have gone too far.

There is a particular bitterness which occurs in an ex-Scientologist that is fine for a while. It's part of the process of coming out. But if you allow yourself to dwell in it for too long, it is bad for you and everyone around you.

That's what I'm saying.
 

I told you I was trouble

Suspended animation
When Mick Wenlock has to be the guy to tell you that you are "spewing unpleasantness" then you know you have gone too far.

There is a particular bitterness which occurs in an ex-Scientologist that is fine for a while. It's part of the process of coming out. But if you allow yourself to dwell in it for too long, it is bad for you and everyone around you.

That's what I'm saying.


I essentially agree with that ... but we are all doing other things most of the day/night and come here for a laugh or to have a quick rant or whatever and I doubt many or any of us are wandering through life bitterly dwelling at all (I know I'm not ... I am way too busy loving life and the freedoms that I now have).

:)
 

Zinjifar

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When Mick Wenlock has to be the guy to tell you that you are "spewing unpleasantness" then you know you have gone too far.

There is a particular bitterness which occurs in an ex-Scientologist that is fine for a while. It's part of the process of coming out. But if you allow yourself to dwell in it for too long, it is bad for you and everyone around you.

That's what I'm saying.

That's said so *loooooooong*...

Why not just say 'No Case On Post!' and tell him to knock off the HE&R?

Zinj
 

HelluvaHoax!

Platinum Meritorious Sponsor with bells on
But Geir has not done that.In fact, with his Scientology Forum he has done quite the opposite.You don't know what you are talking about. You are accusing Geir of doing things he does not do. And your bitterness to anything slightly Hooverish is making you into a fucking nasty person.Just as Geir might be traveling through a period on his way out of Scientology, you are traveling through your bitter period of being an ex. Every Ex travels through it. Some get stuck in it and say "No More!" I have decided to dig in my heels right here and stop questioning this bitterness I have for anything Hooverish. I am going to be exactly as nasty as I like to anything and anyone who might even remind me of L Ron Hoover. Because they deserve it.It's fucking nasty, and you know it.


Think if you keep repeating how mean and nasty I am enough times, that will make it true? Maybe the repetition will make it true for you, huh?

This is one of your silliest, most embarrassingly misguided theories.

I am "traveling thru a period of bitterness?"

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Check your own navigation system. You haven't got a clue about mine.

Playing Free Personality Test Evaluator does not suit you. You're gonna go broke that way.
 

well_that_sucked

Patron with Honors
People like you are making ESMB look bad!

Sorry, but I had to to say it.

We need some better blood here.

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Better blood you say?

Like the blood scientology has bathed in over the decades?


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I'm sure Lisa and the people listed in the site below would be better critics than I, if they could tell their stories, but they are dead thanks to Scientology, Scientologists, and L Ron Hubbard's "tech".






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