lets see your ass up on stage?
and Mike could have walked away saying nothing,
although Mike still speaks in public.
Thank you for the links!
A lot of enlightening take on many things, including how and why people get into this mindfuck - RInder explains it very well.
Unfortunately, as it's always the case, I run a deception when the taboo name is named... Lisa Mac Pherson - question adressed to Mike Rinder
1:09min to 1:12
Mike appears to me like doing figure skating with words like stupidity, should not have happened, should not have been allowed on the $cientology premises...
When will she deserved that her story will be told by the truth ????
(The blatant truth being the Introspection rundown abuses, deny of human rights, false emprisonement, drugs, isolation till a person lose it...)
Can someone esssplain me please, why him and Marty never tell the truth and take opportunity to talk about these middle age harmfull treatments of people having mental breeakdowns ??? Why???? Me don't understand! They never talk about introspection rundown, children abuse and RPF
It appears that SHE is the faulty one , as being in a place she shall have not been, and people who put her there were faulty
How about the lunatic malignant narcissist who ordered such treatment in his policies ???? It appears like a ''fault'' of the corporate Cherch allowing a mentally ill on it's premises instead of the peole collapsing on the premises while undergoing procedures. Not the same!
Why talking about the aunt (suit case pseudo-motives) instead of what happend with Lisa, The isolation, the legal case, the hidding of proofs, the manipulation????
Anyway, apart for being angry at that,
I find this interview very well done, helpfull, credible, professional
and thank you to the participants!
Mike Rinder's discomfort about Lisa McPherson was palpable.
Perhaps it can be attributed to as yet undisclosed information,
or possibly because it was, as Mike observed,
the death of a young woman who NEVER should have died.
Can there possibly be anything more difficult to face?
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/p235x350/10258040_620770747993450_7774843864326481096_n.png?oh=f5000a9ffec5db55af98f9778c9af2fe&oe=554A62EB&__gda__=1433858361_9736445bd8d5074004e9cd95975fab71 said:Yup that was tough question the guy asked, and obviously a very hot seat Rinder
was squirming around on, note to Rinder start with the apology dude and never "Your Viewpoint"
We all know you had icewater for veins and a lump of coal where your heart should have been
and hopefully so do you now.
Truth, honesty and the accountability of $cientology's actions are worlds apart and trying to get them even close means someone must take a fall. Like trying to force two north poles of a magnet together they repel each other.
I use to think there was a lot more to the tech than there was, but I see I was just lucky that what occurred to me was fluky and I was smart enough to walk away when I did, but still, they got 10 years of my life and huge amount of $. The "workability" of whatever tech exists is not workable no matter how many people get together and say it does. I'm not authoritarian or bully enough enough of person to say that you shouldn't do something because it didn't work for me. I'm a believer in what floats your boat - floats your boat. But Scientology is a failure out there in the public world, what further evidence is required?
Anyway, rant aside, one thing that sticks in my gut in response to the above is that Mike Rinder and Marty Rathbun were indeed swimming along with the flow of the abuse machine miscavige was developing with their blessing and lots of "yes sir, right away sir" while down the line lots of us poor saps who thought we were doing the right thing and "had Policy" on our side were repeatedly stabbed in the back, year after year.
Now that Rinder and Rathbun have put there hand up to come 'clean', what we see is that it is done in such a fashion so as to hide the truth of what they personally were involved with. So there's going to be holes and side stepping all through their "coming clean and down with miscavige's reign" ad nauseum. Let's face it, they WERE senior management for years and sucked up the air of authority it gave them, geezers Rathbun was given an extended holiday, all expenses paid on-board ship in the Caribbean to study what he liked. All the while knowing the saps down the line were being fucked over with lies and off policy actions were the order of the day. There must have been lots of distraction free environment in those Caribbean sunsets for the chosen few.
Scientology is in for "a reckoning" in the not to distant future The limelight of HBO's stuff and those other "never in" people who know all so much about the subject will not burn forever, but like the Nazi's after WW2 found out, some people chase the truth to the ends of the earth. I wouldn't feel so safe if I was in a managerial role in miscavige's reign. There's lots and lots of documentation floating around in the Scientology empire, just like the Prussian thoroughness did - it's easily turns into an Achilles heel.
Interesting times ahead.
I did not intend to criticize Mike Rinder for what he is doing as a critic.
I am just tired of nobody tells the truht about Lisa
They could only say :: Hey listen, I prefer to not answer this question for now or I can't talk about it or whatever...
At least, Marty tells that she had been Csed to lose it (he blames DM for Csing and ordering what happened next )! :confused2:
To me it's like a worldwide window opened to know about Lisa's death - but closed before anything had been said. Just sad. :confused2:
May be one day... within the next trillions of years...when nobody dare to avoid the taboos about the lunatic sociopath policies and the sinister clown guru lost on target two ...
In that video Rinder did admit to doing a lot of crap.
But he denied knowing much about the Lisa MacPherson travesty when it happened.
Live now link . . .
A replay will be up later on.
thank you! very good interview ....
(only Mikes comment on LMP......??):confused2:
red is mine.Yes, and Paul's comment that he NEVER audited (as a PC) so-called past lives even though he went up to OT 3.
That's difficult for me to believe.
Otherwise, I think the presentation could be very enlightening for people ignorant of CofS.
red is mine.
I can understand that.... he was famous, and there is explanation : that as $cio you can believe blah,blah,blah... but he did say LATER he did find it was a lie.....me thinking : it was everything for him,just to stay in and continue those money-bringing dinners at his house.....