imSPecial

Patron with Honors
Good to see you, Face! The doco is humanizing, chilling and insightful. So many Ex's speaking up. It was like seeing the My Story section of the board light up onto t.v. :clap::)

This was exactly how I felt: this was very much MY story on TV. My family members remarked at how the former SO members stories were almost word for word what I had been telling them for years.

For the last couple of weeks, the closer it got to the documentary the more nervous I was. Actually watching was very hard. At times I had to look away. It pissed me off but I had my same recurring nightmares last night.

I worked under Mike and Marty and this documentary hits home for me as very truly depicted. I was out before them but the horrific abuse of "the hole" they recount is just a continuation to my own experience and story as the bizarre expectations made of staff and the treatment and consequences because of failures to please got more and more crazy.

For any lurkers - I think, if anything, the documentary actually graciously understated the sinister collection of information about parishioners, including the celebrities.

The crowd of never ins I watched with...the documentary was very very well received.

I hope this leads to a take down of this mafia organization posing as a church once and for all. All money, all responsibility, all organizational direction, current policy, all of it leads to David Miscavige.
 

Free Being Me

Crusader
I have immense gratitude for Alex's Going Clear documentary and for all who spoke out in it. Alex gives us a gift and what a gift it is. Not just to us but to everyone watching it. There's only so much a two hour film can show and keeping in mind it's formatted for people that have no idea what $cientology is really like Alex does a consummate job doing so.

For those who are new here delve into ESMB, read, ask questions, you are welcome here. ESMB is a documentary in itself covering $cientology from day one to today with so many cult experiences/abuses shared for the reading. Here are more sites (and books) for everyone interested.

Ex-Scientologist Message Board
http://www.forum.exscn.net/forum.php
Ex-Scientology Kids
http://exscientologykids.com/
Ex-Sea Org
https://sites.google.com/site/xseaorg/
Lermanet
http://www.lermanet.com/
Mark Bunker - YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/user/xenutv?feature=results_main
Narconon Reviews
http://narcononreviews.net/
Operation Clambake
http://www.xenu.net/
Reaching For The Tipping Point
http://www.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/
Chris Shelton - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCF326xyA0QHI7Z5xAwKQDJg
Surviving Scientology - YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/user/SurvivingScientology
The Underground Bunker
http://tonyortega.org/
Tory Speaking Freely - YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/ToryMagoo44
Why We Protest
https://whyweprotest.net/community/
World Cult Watch
http://worldcultwatch.org/

Ex-Scientology Books
(Available at libraries and other outlets)

A Piece of Blue Sky: Scientology, Dianetics and L. Ron Hubbard Exposed - Jon Atack
http://www.amazon.com/Piece-Blue-Sk...32747&sr=1-1&keywords=a+piece+of+the+blue+sky
Bare-faced Messiah: True Story of L.Ron Hubbard - Russell Miller
http://www.amazon.com/Bare-faced-Me...1370834396&sr=1-1&keywords=bare+faced+messiah
Beyond Belief: My Secret Life Inside Scientology and My Harrowing Escape - Jenna Miscavige
http://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Belief-Jenna-M-Hill/dp/0062263439/
Blown for Good: Behind the Iron Curtain of Scientology - Marc Headley
http://www.amazon.com/Blown-Good-Cu...70832850&sr=1-1-spell&keywords=blwon+for+good
Counterfeit Dreams: One Man's Journey Into and Out of the World of Scientology - Jefferson Hawkins
http://www.amazon.com/Counterfeit-Dreams-Journey-World-Scientology/dp/0615375642/ref=tmm_hrd_title_0
Going Clear: Scientology, Hollywood, and the Prison of Belief - Lawrence Wright
http://www.amazon.com/Going-Clear-Scientology-Hollywood-Prison/dp/0307700666/ref=pd_sim_b_4
Inside Scientology: The Story of America's Most Secretive Religion - Janet Reitman
http://www.amazon.com/Inside-Scient...70832850&sr=1-2-spell&keywords=blwon+for+good
L. Ron Hubbard: Messiah or Madman - Bent Corydon
http://www.amazon.com/L-Ron-Hubbard-Messiah-Madman/dp/0942637577/ref=pd_sim_sbs_b_3
My Billion Year Contract: Memoir of a Former Scientologist - Nancy Many
http://www.amazon.com/My-Billion-Year-Contract-Scientologist/dp/0578039222/ref=pd_sim_b_1
Scientology: Abuse At the Top - Amy Scobee
http://www.amazon.com/Scientology-A...r=1-1&keywords=Scientology+-+Abuse+At+the+Top
The Church of Fear: Inside The Weird World of Scientology - John Sweeney
http://www.amazon.com/Church-Fear-I...d=1370833309&sr=1-13&keywords=lawrence+wright
The Complex: An Insider Exposes the Covert World of the Church of Scientology - John Duignan
http://www.amazon.com/The-Complex-Insider-Exposes-Scientology/dp/1903582849/ref=pd_sim_sbs_b_18
The Scandal of Scientology - Paulette Cooper
http://www.amazon.com/The-scandal-scientology-Tower-book/dp/B0007AF8KA
 
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LA SCN

NOT drinking the kool-aid
I have immense gratitude for Alex's Going Clear documentary and for all who spoke out in it. Alex gives us a gift and what a gift it is. Not just to us but to everyone watching it. There's only so much a two hour film can show and keeping in mind it's formatted for people that have no idea what $cientology is really like Alex does a consummate job doing so.

For those who are new here delve into ESMB, read, ask questions, you are welcome here. ESMB is a documentary in itself covering $cientology from day one to today with so many cult experiences/abuses shared for the reading. Here are more sites (and books) for everyone interested.
(...)

Great service to the new initiates - thank you!
 

Lone Star

Crusader
FYI.....HBO is replaying the film tonight at 8:00 PM Central Time in the US. That would be 9:00 Eastern.

Pacific and Mountain time I'm not so sure, but I think their site automatically calibrates to your time zone when you click on the link below....


http://www.hbo.com/schedule
 
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LA SCN

NOT drinking the kool-aid
HBO is showing this about 4 days a week several times on each day for some time to come.

KUDOS to HBO!!!!! :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

Most normal folks seeing this documentary have to wonder WTF at the sight of the Scilon event clips - way weird and over the top :omg: :biggrin:
 

OutFO38

Patron
I can't wait to watch it!! But I live with a Scn so I can't even record it for fear they'll see it. I'm hoping it'll be available On Demand so I can watch it some time when I have the place to myself! :clapping:
 

Churchill

Gold Meritorious Patron
I can't wait to watch it!! But I live with a Scn so I can't even record it for fear they'll see it. I'm hoping it'll be available On Demand so I can watch it some time when I have the place to myself! :clapping:
It already is. If you subscribe to HBO, just download the HBO GO app, create a username and password, and you can view it whenever you like.
 

Churchill

Gold Meritorious Patron
I have immense gratitude for Alex's Going Clear documentary and for all who spoke out in it. Alex gives us a gift and what a gift it is. Not just to us but to everyone watching it. There's only so much a two hour film can show and keeping in mind it's formatted for people that have no idea what $cientology is really like Alex does a consummate job doing so.

For those who are new here delve into ESMB, read, ask questions, you are welcome here. ESMB is a documentary in itself covering $cientology from day one to today with so many cult experiences/abuses shared for the reading. Here are more sites (and books) for everyone interested.

Ex-Scientologist Message Board
http://www.forum.exscn.net/forum.php
Ex-Scientology Kids
http://exscientologykids.com/
Ex-Sea Org
https://sites.google.com/site/xseaorg/
Lermanet
http://www.lermanet.com/
Mark Bunker - YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/user/xenutv?feature=results_main
Narconon Reviews
http://narcononreviews.net/
Operation Clambake
http://www.xenu.net/
Reaching For The Tipping Point
http://www.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/
Chris Shelton - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCF326xyA0QHI7Z5xAwKQDJg
Surviving Scientology - YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/user/SurvivingScientology
The Underground Bunker
http://tonyortega.org/
Tory Speaking Freely - YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/ToryMagoo44
Why We Protest
https://whyweprotest.net/community/
World Cult Watch
http://worldcultwatch.org/

Ex-Scientology Books
(Available at libraries and other outlets)

A Piece of Blue Sky: Scientology, Dianetics and L. Ron Hubbard Exposed - Jon Atack
http://www.amazon.com/Piece-Blue-Sk...32747&sr=1-1&keywords=a+piece+of+the+blue+sky
Bare-faced Messiah: True Story of L.Ron Hubbard - Russell Miller
http://www.amazon.com/Bare-faced-Me...1370834396&sr=1-1&keywords=bare+faced+messiah
Beyond Belief: My Secret Life Inside Scientology and My Harrowing Escape - Jenna Miscavige
http://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Belief-Jenna-M-Hill/dp/0062263439/
Blown for Good: Behind the Iron Curtain of Scientology - Marc Headley
http://www.amazon.com/Blown-Good-Cu...70832850&sr=1-1-spell&keywords=blwon+for+good
Counterfeit Dreams: One Man's Journey Into and Out of the World of Scientology - Jefferson Hawkins
http://www.amazon.com/Counterfeit-Dreams-Journey-World-Scientology/dp/0615375642/ref=tmm_hrd_title_0
Going Clear: Scientology, Hollywood, and the Prison of Belief - Lawrence Wright
http://www.amazon.com/Going-Clear-Scientology-Hollywood-Prison/dp/0307700666/ref=pd_sim_b_4
Inside Scientology: The Story of America's Most Secretive Religion - Janet Reitman
http://www.amazon.com/Inside-Scient...70832850&sr=1-2-spell&keywords=blwon+for+good
L. Ron Hubbard: Messiah or Madman - Bent Corydon
http://www.amazon.com/L-Ron-Hubbard-Messiah-Madman/dp/0942637577/ref=pd_sim_sbs_b_3
My Billion Year Contract: Memoir of a Former Scientologist - Nancy Many
http://www.amazon.com/My-Billion-Year-Contract-Scientologist/dp/0578039222/ref=pd_sim_b_1
Scientology: Abuse At the Top - Amy Scobee
http://www.amazon.com/Scientology-A...r=1-1&keywords=Scientology+-+Abuse+At+the+Top
The Church of Fear: Inside The Weird World of Scientology - John Sweeney
http://www.amazon.com/Church-Fear-I...d=1370833309&sr=1-13&keywords=lawrence+wright
The Complex: An Insider Exposes the Covert World of the Church of Scientology - John Duignan
http://www.amazon.com/The-Complex-Insider-Exposes-Scientology/dp/1903582849/ref=pd_sim_sbs_b_18
The Scandal of Scientology - Paulette Cooper
http://www.amazon.com/The-scandal-scientology-Tower-book/dp/B0007AF8KA


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ExSince2002

Patron
Links are up on Solarmovie. Typically, I never openly try and provide people with links to copyrighted material, but in this case I think the producers and even HBO want as many people to see this as possible.

It's always wise to have adblock on along with your antivirus if you click on one of the links at this site.

solarmovie.is/watch-going-clear-scientology-and-the-prison-of-belief-2015.html
 

jenni with an eye

Silver Meritorious Patron
A bit of good news as a result of the HBO documentary "Going Clear". :biggrin:

I just got off the phone from my Dad who lives in country NSW.

He has never been a Scientologist, has never had any direct contact with scn.

He has no interest in scn and doesn't Google.

I have not spoken to him about the activities of the ex community or scn for that matter.

After the usual "G'day's ... How's it going etc" my Dad asked me "if I knew about the documentary, and when will it be shown on Aussie TV? " :wow:

My Dad is very keen to see it.:dance:

I think this documentary and the resulting publicity (Bryan Seymour :thumbsup: ) has really hit the mark.

It appeals to a wide audience of never ins, opening their eyes to the truth. :yes:

I will be making sure my Dad gets to see this, he is really interested. Even if I have to buy the ticket myself. :dance2:

Good on ya Dad, I am thrilled that he already knew all about it. :biggrin:

Very excited. :dance:

:coolwink:

P.S. :scnsucks:
 

RogerB

Crusader
Yay, Jenni . .

I've been getting emails from my contacts Oz about this . . .

They are way "UP" on the cult getting this exposure . . . and these folks were never in, simply knowing I was.

This is in actuality a big and positive hit for good sense and justice downnunda!

R
 

afaceinthecrowd

Gold Meritorious Patron
Dear Face, and all Ex-scientologists,

After watching this film, would you participate in a second film with Alex Gibney at the helm?

JB

Dear JB,

Thank you for the "invitation".

As I've said before on ESMB I have multiple reasons for my anonymity and those have not changed.

I've written over 100,000 words on this Board about my Life and Times with El Ron, Apollo, SO Senior Management & Inner Circle, Scn and dozens of stories about the Folks I knew and stuff I witnessed and was part of, and my "Take" on all that...Much, but not all, of that is contained on the Shooting Stars Thread and the Links provided in various Installments of that Thread ( http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?21698-Shooting-Stars&p=525100&viewfull=1#post525100 ) and the rest of what I have to say is sprinkled around the Board in various Threads in responses to Posts by other Members.

As I've also said before on ESMB, I've pretty much said all I have to say and it's all here on ESMB. IMHO there are numerous other Exes that have spoken out Publicly whose stories are far more compelling, important and valuable than mine.

Having said all that, I'd love to see a Gibney/Wright "Going Clear II"...There certainly is more than enough material left to be explored and many very imminently qualified and most compelling Exes to tell more of the story.

I much appreciate what you contribute to this Community and Luv your "Stuff".

Face:)
 
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JBWriter

Happy Sapien
Dear JB,

Thank you for the "invitation".

As I've said before on ESMB I have multiple reasons for my anonymity and those have not changed.

I've written over 100,000 words on this Board about my Life and Times with El Ron, Apollo, SO Senior Management & Inner Circle, Scn and dozens of stories about the Folks I knew and stuff I witnessed and was part of, and my "Take" on all that...Much, but not all, of that is contained on the Shooting Stars Thread and the Links provided in various Installments of that Thread ( http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?21698-Shooting-Stars&p=525100&viewfull=1#post525100 ) and the rest of what I have to say is sprinkled around the Board in various Threads in responses to Posts by other Members.

As I've also said before on ESMB, I've pretty much said all I have to say and it's all here on ESMB. IMHO there are numerous other Exes that have spoken out Publicly whose stories are far more compelling, important and valuable than mine.

Having said all that, I'd love to see a Gibney/Wright "Going Clear II...There certainly is more than enough material left to be explored and many very imminently qualified and most compelling Exes to tell more of the story.

I much appreciate what you contribute to this Community and Luv your "Stuff".

Face:)

Thank you for your thoughtful response, Face.
Your posts have served to educate so many people that it's difficult to express how very indebted, I, and everyone else, genuinely feel.

With profound respect,

JB
 

ILove2Lurk

Lisbeth Salander
Having said all that, I'd love to see a Gibney/Wright "Going Clear II...There certainly is more than enough material left to be explored and many very imminently qualified and most compelling Exes to tell more of the story.
Alex's first cut was four hours long, believe it or not. :omg:

There's sure enough strong content for a multi-disc director's cut box set.

I personally expect a DVD release by late fall for Christmas gift giving. Fingers crossed. :wink2:

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afaceinthecrowd

Gold Meritorious Patron
Translation: Face will be "binge watching" the film for a few days. :happydance:

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I didn't know you had such a big screen. :coolwink:


:hysterical:

Hot Spit IL2K...your shoop 'n' shop skills are First Class and style 'n' concept talents World Class

Yep...My screen is 60 inches. :lol:

I've completed viewing #2 and am still cogitatin' and numeratin' on it all...Got a few things I think I'll mention later today before I start viewing #3 this evening. :coolwink:

Face:)
 

afaceinthecrowd

Gold Meritorious Patron
Like Sheila said, anyone who puts themselves on the frontline against this cult really need to prep their family and friends very well beforehand.:yes:

I did to all my family, my in-laws and my work colleagues. It was harrowing to come out with what was going to go down when Sen. Xenophon made THAT speech and then Bryan aired the interview with "us.":omg:

And of course the inevitable blow-back from the cult in the form of nasty smear campaigns and worse.:angry::angry:

I'd happily participate in a 2nd film even tho' I've yet to see this one.:thumbsup:

I hope that this does embolden a lot more exes to speak out about the personal Hell that they've been through. It's worth doing it, folks - you got into the cult to help and getting the REAL truth out there is the best help you can ever do IMO.:yes::yes::yes::yes::yes::yes:

You da man, Scoots....Y-O-U D-A M-A-N. :yes::thumbsup::clap:

You sure enough inspired and helped me immeasurably to open up me can of squirmin' worms. :coolwink:

With Abiding Respect and Appreciation,

Face:)
 

afaceinthecrowd

Gold Meritorious Patron
In viewing and discussing my thoughts re: HBO's "Going Clear" there are a number layers to the Documentary for me personally that I'm still letting soak in, bubble back up and pondering, digesting.

One of those layers is intensely personal...I personally knew and interacted with El Ron, Mary Sue, Miscavaige and a number of the individuals interviewed, featured and named in the film, including Hana Whitfield.

I personally knew and interacted with Hana over a number of years on the Apollo and afterwards and witnessed the physical & emotional distress/severe headaches that Hana told about and saw her haggard--dare I say tortured--countenance when she was receiving the Processing that was supposed to "Fix" and "Resolve her Case". Hana was crème de la crème of Flag Officers, Senior Execs, International Management, Inner Circle and Scns and a wonderful, very bright and thoroughly decent human being. Hana was just, literally, trashed when she was burned up, sucked dry and could no longer stomach and live with what she knew, which many of Us Apollo, Inner Circle "Old Timers" back then also knew and which eventually led to Us just give up and walk away. :angry:

Sprinkled in is mention of El Ron's anger, pettiness, meanness, viciousness, amorality, mesmerizing and pathological behavior and manipulation which is true but, the complete clarity of visage of such cannot be fully fathomed unless one was there at that moment, in the room, in those circumstances. :no:

Spanky tells of the conditions of the Cadet Org...I saw, smelled and wretched at the same stuff she tells of...And worse. :angry:

I knew and interacted with Rinder and Rathbun and I am grateful that they are speaking out and made it out. I am revolted by and sorry for them that they have suffered so much evil wrath from the Cof$ and Miscavaige. However, (I say this with a heavy heart) they are reaping some of what they helped sow...Which doesn't make it right but, honestly Folks, some Us "Old Timers" that knew El Ron, Hisself's "dark side" and of Hisself's deteriorating state of mind, saw the advent of the Commodores Messenger Org and the Advent of Children of the Corn like Miscavaige a mile away, and knew that whatever hopes and dreams we had that somehow things would someday "even out" and the Organization "grow up", "mature" and "sanity" prevail was not to be...And, there wasn't a damn thing we could do about it. :bigcry:

Enough for now.

Face:)
 
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afaceinthecrowd

Gold Meritorious Patron
Oh, one other thing I forgot to mention above...

I was very pleased to see that Tony Ortega was one of those that was featured. :yes:

Tony has, in effect, "sacrificed" a steadily ascending professional career track to focus on Scn. That Tony is a talented, consummate professional and gutsy Journalist is without question and all of Us and the general public at large are Sooooo fortunate that someone with his chops, integrity and class has "Taken Up and Carried the Standard" day in, day out, 24/7/365, year after year, come what may. :thumbsup::clap:

Face:)
 
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Sassy

Patron Meritorious
Don't beat around the bush or anything, JB! :hysterical:

That's a huge responsibility and takes a great deal of thought. Alex Gibney took such a beating for it. So did everyone else that participated.

Maybe you should approach people one on one privately, JB?

I'm very much looking forward to this weekend's coming Sinatra documentary, also on HBO, directed by his truly, Alex Gibney. I think it looks wonderful and will give further credence to his works. :coolwink::thumbsup:
 
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