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Operating DB

Truman Show Dropout
The good memories I have are of people... and the times we shared.

If not for scientology would I have met them? Maybe or maybe not. There are many people I did not meet because I was in the sciobot world.

The wonderful New Year's Eve parties at a friends house each year. Going out and TPing another friend's crush yard. Getting out of class and going to get something to eat... enjoying the fact we were done for the day.

That is what was good, the people... not the building, not the tech, not the bullshit. It is people that make any organization, any thing, any event great.

If DM and the other "powers" would look at the wealth they have in people, their imagination, their skill, their vision, their energy they would realize that they could change the world.... just not in the way they want.

The love and kindness I saw and experienced in that group will stay with me till the end of my time. The pain & destruction of spirit I saw will last as well. So yes, there were good people and good times and that is all I choose to keep with me is the people and those shared memories.

:yes:
Miss Ellie, what is a crush yard? Is that a type of yard or there a definition of "crush" as an adjective to describe that yard? I didn't find anything on the internet that was helpful.
 
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phenomanon

Canyon
I got in at the beginning, 1951, and resigned my membership in COS in July, 1983.
I had a good time in Scientology.

I was treated like a Rockstar, and I enjoyed that perception of myself.

I liked delivering auditing. I always had PCs leave session F/Ning, happy, and liking me and Scn. I thought it was a good game.

I didn't spend much money on it. I was awarded much of it, and "exchanged services" thruout my training ( FEBC, Class VIII, old OT7.


The 'bad' part came as a severe reality adjustment. It was like "The Truman Show".
What was occurring around me wasn't what I had it mocked up to be.

The fooking tech was making people fooking crazy!
I was in good standing when I took my meter and materials from AOLA's HGC and 'left the building'. I resigned the next morning.

My daughter disconnected.
I haven't seen her in more than 30 years.

Sounds like a "love/hate" relationship :confused2:
 

strativarius

Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband
Along with several others here, about the only thing of lasting value I took from being involved with scientology was the friendship I had with other scientologists, including one particular female I met while I was on the Standard Dianetics Course at Saint Hill and fell in love with and who, forty eight years later, I am still in love with. Unfortunately she's now back home in Australia, and I'm in England. :(
 

Gizmo

Rabble Rouser
You know very well that these kind of "good experiences" (stated above by you) are NOT what Veda intended by creating this thread. I accidentally clicked on the wrong emoticon (I clicked "I do not understand" but I do understand exactly what you posted)
TR8

I know very well what " good experiences " mean. I shared my good experiences. Again, while you feel it is your duty to interpret for the rest of us what Veda " intended " I continue to feel you are acting in an SO mentality.

I so understand your clicking the wrong emoticon & saying how you really feel the opposite. I would probably get in trouble for pointing out what kind of mental state that "might" indicate of a person who does that, knows it & still keeps on doing it anyway.

But, hey, do feel free to click all the buttons you'd like on my posts - the more of those you click on the more it gets people to read that post !

I know your intention is to be the self appointed monitor of this thread & you know are doing a bang up job of that ! Keep up the good work !

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Let me share another good experience that I had back in the dark ages when I was foolish enough to be involved in that nasty little cult called scientology.

I went to a County Fair and there Lo & Behold all set up with a card table out in the sun ( every other merchant was under an EZ UP ) was a couple of young folks in whites who wanted to give me a free Personality Test & then evaluate it for me.

I enquired as to the origination of this test & then the accreditation of this test. They assured me of how exhaustively it had been researched & all. I asked to see their state issued credentials for conducting psychological testing & their own accreditation as mental health professionals.

There was lots of sputtering but no proof they were doing anything had any legal authority to do. No church banners or marking on their 'stuff'. Then I went & mentioned it to the Fair Office.

About an hour later there was only a blank place where they had had their card table & 3 chairs. Looking at that empty space was a good experience for me.

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I have a few more of my good experiences that I'll save for later so stay tuned !
 

Cat's Squirrel

Gold Meritorious Patron
Somebody once got hold of a ghetto blaster from the course room and we had in impromptu "disco" in the Org's concourse during break (I recall hearing Michael Jackson's "Wanna Be Starting Something") until the EO found out and out a stop to it.

TRs; I enjoyed bullbaiting (both sides).
 

CommunicatorIC

@IndieScieNews on Twitter
[sarcasm] I had a GREAT experience in Scientology! See, a ten-week entheta documentary about Scientology was about to start showing on TV. So, I was on an "Ex"-Scientologist message board and started a thread on "Good experiences in Scientology" shortly before the series began. Talk about a successful action! Wow! Big win! For DAYS the "Recent Forum Posts" area of the message board was largely dominated by benign, innocuous and anodyne "good experiences in Scientology" comments, helping to divert attention from the TV series and such irrelevancies as child abuse in Scientology. Very Well Done, if I must say so myself. Wow, was I Keyed Out![/sarcasm]
 
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EZ Linus

Cleared Tomato
Without trying to derail - I noticed that people would split in to their respective ethnic and religious groups when they were off course.

Just replying to this because it was a reply to my good experiences while I was in Scientology.

I personally didn't "notice" this so much as it was obvious to me that the majority of the members of Scientology are well to do, upper class whites. These are usually the people that make the most money -- not always of course, but generally. The Italians and the Spanish people that come to Flag from Europe are also rich. The richest family in Scientology happens to be Italian.

Anyway, I never noticed people, when there was what little diversity we had, hanging around in segregated bundles. I think you're wrong. Generally, people with common interests hung out: musicians, artists, actors, computer geeks, business owners, etc.
 

Veda

Sponsor
Here are three items, each is mostly critical yet each acknowledges some positives in Scientology. The positives are in larger font and are in indigo.


Excerpted from the Addendum section of L. Ron Hubbard, Messiah or Madman?, 2nd and 3rd editions. This is the shortened version that appears in Brainwashing Manual Parallels in Scientology:


The Scientological Onion



Scientology could be described as a "layers of the onion" operation.

The outermost layer of the "Scientological Onion" is not identifiable with Scientology at all, being composed of front groups that conceal their connection to -and control by - the Scientology organization. Front groups might be said to constitute Layer Zero: a place where the tentacles of Scientology can grope incognito.

The first layer of the Scientological Onion is meant to be very visible...

Layer One includes Scientology's pampered clique of celebrities, and various public relations ploys. It reverberates with noble sounding sentiments about creating a better world. Scientology seeks to equate itself, and its founder, with anything broadly viewed as desirable or good. A little further along, this layer would include introductory courses with the stated aim of "knowing oneself" and "being free."

Here exist the potentially beneficial aspects of the many masked Scientology operation. The tragedy of Scientology is that the "positives" are used as "window dressing" and "bait on the hook," when they should have been the core and foundation.
Thus the Scientology organization reeks of hypocrisy.

Also, at this much publicized layer, L. Ron Hubbard is presented as an engineer, war hero, nuclear physicist, and the "greatest humanitarian of all time," and the author of "22 best sellers with more to come."

The "first layer" is what Scientology wishes the outside world to know as Scientology. And it is essentially what new converts to the "movement" believe.

It includes most of what is good in the subject: The dream of peace on Earth, the desire to help, practical wisdom, civilized communication, and some potentially beneficial counseling procedures. The word freedom is used a great deal at this layer, and a heart felt desire for greater personal freedom, and freedom for all Mankind, is not unusual to new recruits to Scientology.

(Any inconsistencies or contradictions between the publicly stated aims of the movement, and actual practices or facts, become irrelevant as the individual becomes subject to the Dark Side of Scientology. And the deeper one descends into the "onion" the darker it gets.)

Descending into the "onion" it is necessary to become a Scientologist. This means thinking like a Scientologist. This is the Second Layer where deception eases into "soft" forms of mind-manipulation. Love of Mankind is modified that the awareness that human beings are mere hapless "Wogs"... The desire to help becomes the desire to recruit. The ideal of practical wisdom, based on logic and science, is superseded by the belief in the unfathomable mystery of the "tech." Indeed one is expected to be in a state of awe regarding the "tech," much in the same manner that a peasant woman might regard piece of bone, said to have belonged to a Saint from centuries past.

The publicly promoted "policy" of honesty is modified by an awareness that deception is OK, as long as it serves to achieve the desired Scientological end. And the ideals of civility and democracy become a joke - just something that "panty-waists" and wimps fixate on.

One is slowly being "hatted" as a Scientologist.

(At this point an - unlucky - new Scientologist may be subjected to heavy handed "hard sell" tactics by a sales person or "registrar." Life savings have been lost, inheritances gobbled up, and lines of credit drained, all in a single arduous evening of "hard sell." This is really a premature taste of Layer Four.)

The Third Layer down is composed of never ending, expensive, highly advertised, but confidential "upper levels." These go on and on - and on. Scientology has been selling the promise of "Total Freedom" since before most of its current membership were born. It remains the ever elusive "dangling carrot."

Well known individuals who become involved in Scientology - becoming "Scientology celebrities" - do not go deeper into the Scientological Onion than this.

They are also spared the abuses that "less valuable" beings may suffer at the hands of Scientology sales people, "Sea Org" recruiters, or "ethics" officers...

At the upper fringes of the next layer down is local "Org staff," and at the bottom of Layer Four can be found "Sea Org" personnel. This layer employs more pervasive and cruder forms of "persuasion" or "mind control." Here is the "slave labor" supplying Rehabilitation Project Force, the Pavlovian "5 Card System," and the grim but repressed awareness that one is mainly a "post" and a "stat," (i.e. statistic.)

The Fifth layer down includes intimidation of the mass media, use of lawsuits purely for purposes of harassment, and applications of policies and programs, such as those discovered as a result of the FBI search warrants of July 1977. These materials were made available for public view by Federal court order in 1979 and consist of organized applications of the Fair game Law, and related confidential policies and "tech," designed to illegally gain access to private files, infiltrate, harass, lie about, "sue, trick, lie to, or destroy" anyone perceived as an enemy. At this layer also would be secret bank accounts and financial irregularities.

Other aspects of this layer would include "blackmail," including threats to publicize personal information obtained during "religious confessionals" (auditing sessions); and the inducement of duress of various kinds - including frivolous lawsuits - to obtain promises of "silence," and to obtain "signed retractions" of earlier statements.

Here also can be found the handful of individuals who constitute the "Scientology hierarchy": the board of directors of the Religious Technology Center, and its chairman David Miscavige or "DM."

Layer Number Six appears to be the core of the Onion. It is a very temperamental and secret place.

Here lie the secrets of L. Ron Hubbard: his bad health, bad habits, undistinguished military service, flunked physics and mathematics classes. Here can be found the actual motivations behind, and sources of, Dianetics and Scientology. Here can be found Mary Sue Hubbard, languishing in prison for crimes committed under her husband's direction, while her husband, in hiding, passes the time writing Science Fiction. Here are all the things you shouldn't know about the founder of the "Science of Knowing How to Know."

L. Ron Hubbard, Messiah or Madman?, 2nd edition: http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0942637577/ref=sib_dp_pt/102-0654802-4263319

Brainwashing Manual http://warrior.xenu.ca/Brainwashing-front.jpg Parallels in Scientology: http://www.xenu-directory.net/critics/ambry1.html



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Messiah or Madman?


The book L. Ron Hubbard, Messiah or Madman? has been published in three English language editions, each further revised and updated
(1987, 1992, and 1996.) There is also a hardbound Russian language edition that became available in 2005.

Unlike most other books on Scientology, 'Messiah or Madman?' examines both the "positives" and "negatives" of the subject.

An excerpt from the book flap for the 464 page 1996 edition:


"I have high hopes of smashing my name
into history so violently that it will take a
legendary form even if all the books are
destroyed. That goal is the real goal as far as
I am concerned. Things which stand too
consistently in my way make me nervous.
It's a pretty big job. In a hundred years
Roosevelt will have been forgotten - which
gives some idea of the magnitude of my
attempt. And all this boils and froths inside
my head...
"Psychiatrists, reaching the high of the
dusty desk, tell us that Alexander, Genghis
Khan and Napoleon were madmen. I know
they're maligning some very intelligent
gentlemen."

L. Ron Hubbard wrote these words in a letter to
his first wife in 1938.

In 1950 he wrote the bestseller 'Dianetics, the
Modern Science of Mental Health. This inspired a
layman oriented mental health movement which,
ultimately, developed into Scientology
, the most
profitable of the money-making new religions.

Hubbard's early Dianetic and Scientology writings
borrow freely from Sigmund Freud, Carl Jung, and
the founder of General Semantics, Alfred Korzybski.


And P.T. Barnum appears to have been an inspiration.

Hubbard also took much from the writings of Aleister
Crowley - self-proclaimed "Beast 666." This is a source
of embarrassment for the Scientology Church, which
is determined to achieve broad public acceptance.

In the 1960s Hubbard incorporated Brainwashing
methodologies into the subject. He established the
"Fair Game Policy" which states that an "enemy" of
Scientology "may be deprived of property or injured
by any means by any Scientologist, without
discipline of that Scientologist. May be tricked,
sued, lied to or destroyed."

He also became the Commodore of his own private
navy, and began to refer to himself as "Source."

L. Ron Hubbard, Messiah or Madman? exposes
as never before the dark side of Scientology, yet
contains an in-depth examination of the potential
positives of the subject and their actual origins



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Brainwashing Manual Parallels in Scientology


Contents

Examining the 'Brainwashing Manual' with the purpose of better understanding Scientology 4

Introduction: A Brief Outline of Scientology Doctrine, Public and Confidential 6

"White Scientology" - The Battle Tactics Doctrine - Brainwashing Manual Tech - Scientology is Multi-layered - Exploiting the Positives: the Cheese in the Trap -

Background 9

Origin of the word "brainwashing." and of the "Russian Brainwashing Manual"
L. Ron Hubbard writing to Scientologists on the subject of the Brainwashing Manual
Departing briefly from the Manual: A look at private tactics later shared with insiders
A publicized statement
A private explanation
Hubbard vs. the "Asiatic Hordes"
Back to the Brainwashing Manual: Excerpts from Hubbard's third public statement on it
Kenneth Goff's 1956 version of the Manual
Scientology's "No-answer answers."

Excerpts from the Brainwashing Manual/Textbook on Psycho-politics 14

"Editorial Note": Hubbard. assuming the guise of the phantasmal "Charles Stickley"
"An Address by Beria": Hubbard, pretending to be Lavrenti Beria, chief of the Russian Secret Police
The Main Text of the Manual: Hubbard, masquerading as an arrogant Russian Brainwashing expert
"Pain-Drug-Hypnosis"

The Layers of The "Scientological Onion" 17

Brainwashing Manual Parallels in Modern Scientology 19

Correspondences between the Brainwashing Manual and the Battle Tactics policy
On “Survival”
On Surviving the Atomic Bomb
On an individual Scientologist influencing leaders
Scientology is devious by design

Front Groups - Layer Zero of the “Scientological Onion.” 20

“It is not necessary that the term ‘Communism’ [Scientology] be applied at first…”

Layer One - The publicized portion of Scientology 23

“White Scientology”
Scenario: (An application of “White Scientology”)
“By reason alone”
Auditing


Descending into Layer Two of the “Onion”: The “In-Organization” Strata 27

“…[Scientology] under the guise of [‘White Scientology’]…”
Exploitation of the process of abreaction
Playing one thing off another or “counter-playing”
“Loaded language”: the seemingly enlightened “counter-played” with the manipulative
Tone 4, “entheta,” “theta,” Suppressive Person
The Thought Limiting clichés of Scientology
Publicized, “In-organization” and Confidential Scientology “Ethics”
“…aligning the individual against the desire not to conform…”
Side effects of “critical thoughts”
Dominion over the loyalties of individuals

Layer Three of the “Onion”: The Confidential “Upper Levels” of the “Bridge to Total Freedom” 33

“…avoid the understanding of the layman…”
Highest of the “upper levels” must remain a mystery to the membership
Operating Thetan or O.T.
Aleister Crowley, Head of the O.T.O.
O.T. III, The “Wall of Fire” into which Hubbard “took the plunge” to save Mankind
Exploitation of the paranormal

Layer Four: “…a well trained individual who serves in complete obedience…”
The Sea Organization, the Rehabilitation Project Force, and the Five Card System 36


The Sea Organization: “Custodians of the O.T. Levels”
“…the only loyalty which should exist… is to the State [Scientology].”
Sea Org Ethics under Commodore Hubbard on the Flagship
“Refusal to let them sleep over many days…”
The Rehabilitation Project Force
“Filthy food, little sleep, nearly untenable quarters…”
“…the first loyalty [to himself]… is destroyed…”
“Degradation and conquest…”
The children’s and teenagers’ RPF
“A certain amount of fear…”
The RPF’s RPF
The Five Card “Team Share” System
“The technologies of psycho-politics…”

Layer Five: Confidential Scientology Policy and Tech for “handling” uncooperative outsiders 46

The Fair Game policy and “philosophy”
“…find or manufacture enough threat…”
“Direct the attention of the authorities…”
Scientology’s unscrupulous use of the legal system
“We will no longer put up with our religion being criticized…”
Discourage inquiry
Defamatory data on file; “Culling”: Searching “religious confessional” (auditing) files for embarrassing or intimidating items
Background: The Commodore’s Intelligence Network
The policy of covert attack and publicized PR “defense lines”
Scientology’s Multi-layered Public Relations tech
Scientology Intelligence tech
Data collecting, and Attack or “support” Intelligence
Creating incidents that reflect badly on others
“Data needed by Ops on each located who”
Attack or “support” Intelligence - The Covert Ops study course and checklist
“Persons in his vicinity to whom he is emotionally involved…”
Coerce them into signing prepared “retractions” or “confessions”
Plenty of bogus “documentation”
One justification for unscrupulous covert methods
Treatment of VIPs and celebrities
Goal of talking over “mental health” and “political guidance”
Full knowledge of Intelligence tech must be denied to the general membership
“Deception, chicanery, lying, manipulation and outright criminality”
“She over there, those pink legs sticking out, didn’t like me”
Scientologists believe in a planet-wide conspiracy against L. Ron Hubbard and Scientology
The Scientology Hierarchy

Layer Six: The Core of the “Scientological Onion” 69

“…virtually a pathological liar…egotism… lust for power, and vindictiveness…”
“We must be like the vine upon the tree…”
The elusive “1000 page” official L. Ron Hubbard biography
“It’s a trap not being able to prevaricate”
Conscience as an “impediment”
The L. Ron Hubbard Fan(atic) club

Epilogue 74

Freeing the Positives

Addendum 76

"Dr. Hubbard's" FBI letters written concurrent with the appearance of the Brainwashing Manual 77

L. Ron Hubbard assumes the identity of Dr. Hubbard Ph.D DD - Patriotic Concerned Citizen
Letter of 29 July 1955
From a letter dated 7 September

A further look at Scientology's Covert Intelligence Tech 79

"Categories of Data Needing Coding"
A glimpse at a covert operation, and of public strata "policy" used as a cover for applied covert policy
An example of public strata "policy" used as "cover" - this time used on Scientologists by Scientology
"Ops Planning"
What to "Vet" or delete from sensitive internal messages that may be scrutinized by outsiders

Bibliography 82

Notes 87



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Even critical examinations or summaries can - realistically - mention that which is positive.

IMO, it is important to accurately and completely describe all of the secretive subject of Scientology.

This inoculates the vulnerable from involvement, helps those "in" to leave without the trauma of losing everything they have come to believe. (Once out of the organization, they can sort the rest out later.), and allows for the salvaging of what positives of the subject there are for those interested in doing so.


:)
 
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Gib

Crusader
Emphasis mine.



Oy! You're aboard so you're here on the same terms as the rest of us ... win or die in the attempt.

We'd rather have you dead than incapable.

:goodluck:

PS You've made your point but please stop trying to make ESMB seem like some hideous hell hole where people get chewed up and spat out on a regular basis (it could happen, but only if you really want it to) ... there is no "ripping, shredding and hatred" here, just open and frank communication with a lot of facts and humour chucked in.

only tigers survive and even they have a rough time, LOL
 

Gib

Crusader
I got in at the beginning, 1951, and resigned my membership in COS in July, 1983.
I had a good time in Scientology.

I was treated like a Rockstar, and I enjoyed that perception of myself.

I liked delivering auditing. I always had PCs leave session F/Ning, happy, and liking me and Scn. I thought it was a good game.

I didn't spend much money on it. I was awarded much of it, and "exchanged services" thruout my training ( FEBC, Class VIII, old OT7.


The 'bad' part came as a severe reality adjustment. It was like "The Truman Show".
What was occurring around me wasn't what I had it mocked up to be.

The fooking tech was making people fooking crazy!

I was in good standing when I took my meter and materials from AOLA's HGC and 'left the building'. I resigned the next morning.

My daughter disconnected.
I haven't seen her in more than 30 years.

Sounds like a "love/hate" relationship :confused2:

yah, hubbard was a master of getting us to mock up the ideal scene, or sublime, of a cleared planet, one auditor at a time auditing a pc.

I'm glad you didn't spend too much $ and I'm pissed at the discussion of your kid.
 

Gib

Crusader
Here are three items, each is mostly critical yet each acknowledges some positives in Scientology. The positives are in larger font and are in indigo.


Excerpted from the Addendum section of L. Ron Hubbard, Messiah or Madman?, 2nd and 3rd editions. This is the shortened version that appears in Brainwashing Manual Parallels in Scientology:


The Scientological Onion



Scientology could be described as a "layers of the onion" operation.

The outermost layer of the "Scientological Onion" is not identifiable with Scientology at all, being composed of front groups that conceal their connection to -and control by - the Scientology organization. Front groups might be said to constitute Layer Zero: a place where the tentacles of Scientology can grope incognito.

The first layer of the Scientological Onion is meant to be very visible...

Layer One includes Scientology's pampered clique of celebrities, and various public relations ploys. It reverberates with noble sounding sentiments about creating a better world. Scientology seeks to equate itself, and its founder, with anything broadly viewed as desirable or good. A little further along, this layer would include introductory courses with the stated aim of "knowing oneself" and "being free."

Here exist the potentially beneficial aspects of the many masked Scientology operation. The tragedy of Scientology is that the "positives" are used as "window dressing" and "bait on the hook," when they should have been the core and foundation.
Thus the Scientology organization reeks of hypocrisy.

Also, at this much publicized layer, L. Ron Hubbard is presented as an engineer, war hero, nuclear physicist, and the "greatest humanitarian of all time," and the author of "22 best sellers with more to come."

The "first layer" is what Scientology wishes the outside world to know as Scientology. And it is essentially what new converts to the "movement" believe.

It includes most of what is good in the subject: The dream of peace on Earth, the desire to help, practical wisdom, civilized communication, and some potentially beneficial counseling procedures. The word freedom is used a great deal at this layer, and a heart felt desire for greater personal freedom, and freedom for all Mankind, is not unusual to new recruits to Scientology.

(Any inconsistencies or contradictions between the publicly stated aims of the movement, and actual practices or facts, become irrelevant as the individual becomes subject to the Dark Side of Scientology. And the deeper one descends into the "onion" the darker it gets.)

Descending into the "onion" it is necessary to become a Scientologist. This means thinking like a Scientologist. This is the Second Layer where deception eases into "soft" forms of mind-manipulation. Love of Mankind is modified that the awareness that human beings are mere hapless "Wogs"... The desire to help becomes the desire to recruit. The ideal of practical wisdom, based on logic and science, is superseded by the belief in the unfathomable mystery of the "tech." Indeed one is expected to be in a state of awe regarding the "tech," much in the same manner that a peasant woman might regard piece of bone, said to have belonged to a Saint from centuries past.

The publicly promoted "policy" of honesty is modified by an awareness that deception is OK, as long as it serves to achieve the desired Scientological end. And the ideals of civility and democracy become a joke - just something that "panty-waists" and wimps fixate on.

One is slowly being "hatted" as a Scientologist.

(At this point an - unlucky - new Scientologist may be subjected to heavy handed "hard sell" tactics by a sales person or "registrar." Life savings have been lost, inheritances gobbled up, and lines of credit drained, all in a single arduous evening of "hard sell." This is really a premature taste of Layer Four.)

The Third Layer down is composed of never ending, expensive, highly advertised, but confidential "upper levels." These go on and on - and on. Scientology has been selling the promise of "Total Freedom" since before most of its current membership were born. It remains the ever elusive "dangling carrot."

Well known individuals who become involved in Scientology - becoming "Scientology celebrities" - do not go deeper into the Scientological Onion than this.

They are also spared the abuses that "less valuable" beings may suffer at the hands of Scientology sales people, "Sea Org" recruiters, or "ethics" officers...

At the upper fringes of the next layer down is local "Org staff," and at the bottom of Layer Four can be found "Sea Org" personnel. This layer employs more pervasive and cruder forms of "persuasion" or "mind control." Here is the "slave labor" supplying Rehabilitation Project Force, the Pavlovian "5 Card System," and the grim but repressed awareness that one is mainly a "post" and a "stat," (i.e. statistic.)

The Fifth layer down includes intimidation of the mass media, use of lawsuits purely for purposes of harassment, and applications of policies and programs, such as those discovered as a result of the FBI search warrants of July 1977. These materials were made available for public view by Federal court order in 1979 and consist of organized applications of the Fair game Law, and related confidential policies and "tech," designed to illegally gain access to private files, infiltrate, harass, lie about, "sue, trick, lie to, or destroy" anyone perceived as an enemy. At this layer also would be secret bank accounts and financial irregularities.

Other aspects of this layer would include "blackmail," including threats to publicize personal information obtained during "religious confessionals" (auditing sessions); and the inducement of duress of various kinds - including frivolous lawsuits - to obtain promises of "silence," and to obtain "signed retractions" of earlier statements.

Here also can be found the handful of individuals who constitute the "Scientology hierarchy": the board of directors of the Religious Technology Center, and its chairman David Miscavige or "DM."

Layer Number Six appears to be the core of the Onion. It is a very temperamental and secret place.

Here lie the secrets of L. Ron Hubbard: his bad health, bad habits, undistinguished military service, flunked physics and mathematics classes. Here can be found the actual motivations behind, and sources of, Dianetics and Scientology. Here can be found Mary Sue Hubbard, languishing in prison for crimes committed under her husband's direction, while her husband, in hiding, passes the time writing Science Fiction. Here are all the things you shouldn't know about the founder of the "Science of Knowing How to Know."

L. Ron Hubbard, Messiah or Madman?, 2nd edition: http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0942637577/ref=sib_dp_pt/102-0654802-4263319

Brainwashing Manual http://warrior.xenu.ca/Brainwashing-front.jpg Parallels in Scientology: http://www.xenu-directory.net/critics/ambry1.html



___________


Messiah or Madman?


The book L. Ron Hubbard, Messiah or Madman? has been published in three English language editions, each further revised and updated
(1987, 1992, and 1996.) There is also a hardbound Russian language edition that became available in 2005.

Unlike most other books on Scientology, 'Messiah or Madman?' examines both the "positives" and "negatives" of the subject.

An excerpt from the book flap for the 464 page 1996 edition:


"I have high hopes of smashing my name
into history so violently that it will take a
legendary form even if all the books are
destroyed. That goal is the real goal as far as
I am concerned. Things which stand too
consistently in my way make me nervous.
It's a pretty big job. In a hundred years
Roosevelt will have been forgotten - which
gives some idea of the magnitude of my
attempt. And all this boils and froths inside
my head...
"Psychiatrists, reaching the high of the
dusty desk, tell us that Alexander, Genghis
Khan and Napoleon were madmen. I know
they're maligning some very intelligent
gentlemen."

L. Ron Hubbard wrote these words in a letter to
his first wife in 1938.

In 1950 he wrote the bestseller 'Dianetics, the
Modern Science of Mental Health. This inspired a
layman oriented mental health movement which,
ultimately, developed into Scientology
, the most
profitable of the money-making new religions.

Hubbard's early Dianetic and Scientology writings
borrow freely from Sigmund Freud, Carl Jung, and
the founder of General Semantics, Alfred Korzybski.


And P.T. Barnum appears to have been an inspiration.

Hubbard also took much from the writings of Aleister
Crowley - self-proclaimed "Beast 666." This is a source
of embarrassment for the Scientology Church, which
is determined to achieve broad public acceptance.

In the 1960s Hubbard incorporated Brainwashing
methodologies into the subject. He established the
"Fair Game Policy" which states that an "enemy" of
Scientology "may be deprived of property or injured
by any means by any Scientologist, without
discipline of that Scientologist. May be tricked,
sued, lied to or destroyed."

He also became the Commodore of his own private
navy, and began to refer to himself as "Source."

L. Ron Hubbard, Messiah or Madman? exposes
as never before the dark side of Scientology, yet
contains an in-depth examination of the potential
positives of the subject and their actual origins



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Brainwashing Manual Parallels in Scientology


Contents

Examining the 'Brainwashing Manual' with the purpose of better understanding Scientology 4

Introduction: A Brief Outline of Scientology Doctrine, Public and Confidential 6

"White Scientology" - The Battle Tactics Doctrine - Brainwashing Manual Tech - Scientology is Multi-layered - Exploiting the Positives: the Cheese in the Trap -

Background 9

Origin of the word "brainwashing." and of the "Russian Brainwashing Manual"
L. Ron Hubbard writing to Scientologists on the subject of the Brainwashing Manual
Departing briefly from the Manual: A look at private tactics later shared with insiders
A publicized statement
A private explanation
Hubbard vs. the "Asiatic Hordes"
Back to the Brainwashing Manual: Excerpts from Hubbard's third public statement on it
Kenneth Goff's 1956 version of the Manual
Scientology's "No-answer answers."

Excerpts from the Brainwashing Manual/Textbook on Psycho-politics 14

"Editorial Note": Hubbard. assuming the guise of the phantasmal "Charles Stickley"
"An Address by Beria": Hubbard, pretending to be Lavrenti Beria, chief of the Russian Secret Police
The Main Text of the Manual: Hubbard, masquerading as an arrogant Russian Brainwashing expert
"Pain-Drug-Hypnosis"

The Layers of The "Scientological Onion" 17

Brainwashing Manual Parallels in Modern Scientology 19

Correspondences between the Brainwashing Manual and the Battle Tactics policy
On “Survival”
On Surviving the Atomic Bomb
On an individual Scientologist influencing leaders
Scientology is devious by design

Front Groups - Layer Zero of the “Scientological Onion.” 20

“It is not necessary that the term ‘Communism’ [Scientology] be applied at first…”

Layer One - The publicized portion of Scientology 23

“White Scientology”
Scenario: (An application of “White Scientology”)
“By reason alone”
Auditing


Descending into Layer Two of the “Onion”: The “In-Organization” Strata 27

“…[Scientology] under the guise of [‘White Scientology’]…”
Exploitation of the process of abreaction
Playing one thing off another or “counter-playing”
“Loaded language”: the seemingly enlightened “counter-played” with the manipulative
Tone 4, “entheta,” “theta,” Suppressive Person
The Thought Limiting clichés of Scientology
Publicized, “In-organization” and Confidential Scientology “Ethics”
“…aligning the individual against the desire not to conform…”
Side effects of “critical thoughts”
Dominion over the loyalties of individuals

Layer Three of the “Onion”: The Confidential “Upper Levels” of the “Bridge to Total Freedom” 33

“…avoid the understanding of the layman…”
Highest of the “upper levels” must remain a mystery to the membership
Operating Thetan or O.T.
Aleister Crowley, Head of the O.T.O.
O.T. III, The “Wall of Fire” into which Hubbard “took the plunge” to save Mankind
Exploitation of the paranormal

Layer Four: “…a well trained individual who serves in complete obedience…”
The Sea Organization, the Rehabilitation Project Force, and the Five Card System 36


The Sea Organization: “Custodians of the O.T. Levels”
“…the only loyalty which should exist… is to the State [Scientology].”
Sea Org Ethics under Commodore Hubbard on the Flagship
“Refusal to let them sleep over many days…”
The Rehabilitation Project Force
“Filthy food, little sleep, nearly untenable quarters…”
“…the first loyalty [to himself]… is destroyed…”
“Degradation and conquest…”
The children’s and teenagers’ RPF
“A certain amount of fear…”
The RPF’s RPF
The Five Card “Team Share” System
“The technologies of psycho-politics…”

Layer Five: Confidential Scientology Policy and Tech for “handling” uncooperative outsiders 46

The Fair Game policy and “philosophy”
“…find or manufacture enough threat…”
“Direct the attention of the authorities…”
Scientology’s unscrupulous use of the legal system
“We will no longer put up with our religion being criticized…”
Discourage inquiry
Defamatory data on file; “Culling”: Searching “religious confessional” (auditing) files for embarrassing or intimidating items
Background: The Commodore’s Intelligence Network
The policy of covert attack and publicized PR “defense lines”
Scientology’s Multi-layered Public Relations tech
Scientology Intelligence tech
Data collecting, and Attack or “support” Intelligence
Creating incidents that reflect badly on others
“Data needed by Ops on each located who”
Attack or “support” Intelligence - The Covert Ops study course and checklist
“Persons in his vicinity to whom he is emotionally involved…”
Coerce them into signing prepared “retractions” or “confessions”
Plenty of bogus “documentation”
One justification for unscrupulous covert methods
Treatment of VIPs and celebrities
Goal of talking over “mental health” and “political guidance”
Full knowledge of Intelligence tech must be denied to the general membership
“Deception, chicanery, lying, manipulation and outright criminality”
“She over there, those pink legs sticking out, didn’t like me”
Scientologists believe in a planet-wide conspiracy against L. Ron Hubbard and Scientology
The Scientology Hierarchy

Layer Six: The Core of the “Scientological Onion” 69

“…virtually a pathological liar…egotism… lust for power, and vindictiveness…”
“We must be like the vine upon the tree…”
The elusive “1000 page” official L. Ron Hubbard biography
“It’s a trap not being able to prevaricate”
Conscience as an “impediment”
The L. Ron Hubbard Fan(atic) club

Epilogue 74

Freeing the Positives

Addendum 76

"Dr. Hubbard's" FBI letters written concurrent with the appearance of the Brainwashing Manual 77

L. Ron Hubbard assumes the identity of Dr. Hubbard Ph.D DD - Patriotic Concerned Citizen
Letter of 29 July 1955
From a letter dated 7 September

A further look at Scientology's Covert Intelligence Tech 79

"Categories of Data Needing Coding"
A glimpse at a covert operation, and of public strata "policy" used as a cover for applied covert policy
An example of public strata "policy" used as "cover" - this time used on Scientologists by Scientology
"Ops Planning"
What to "Vet" or delete from sensitive internal messages that may be scrutinized by outsiders

Bibliography 82

Notes 87



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Even critical examinations or summaries can - realistically - mention that which is positive.

IMO, it is important to accurately and completely describe all of the secretive subject of Scientology.

This inoculates the vulnerable from involvement, helps those "in" to leave without the trauma of losing everything they have come to believe. (Once out of the organization, they can sort the rest out later.), and allows for the salvaging what positives of the subject there are for those interested in doing so.


:)

ah yes, I knew you were going to post this, the scientology onion, which I wholly agree with. :yes:

However, let's look deeper, the scientology or hubbardology promised we who got involved, yes the cheese or good experiences, why when we did the whole bridge to total freedom, and comparing scientology to Buddhism, why we would become cause over life and we could be cause over getting a new body in the next life and remembering everything, perfect recall. What a ideal scene or sublime.

Never happened and will never happen with scientology/hubbardology.
 

Veda

Sponsor
ah yes, I knew you were going to post this, the scientology onion, which I wholly agree with. :yes:

I wasn't going to post any of this, but my request in the opening post was sufficiently ignored that I took the liberty of re-posting some old content that contained negatives, and also broadened the point being made.

I'm not blaming anyone. It's difficult to discuss Scientology without mentioning the negatives. Ideally, though, it shouldn't become a habit to the point where one can't control oneself to the extent of not being able to break with the habit, even for a little while on one little insignificant thread.

But there are so many hidden hooks in Scientology, and so many betrayals, that it can be hard to avoid mentioning them.

Oh well. It was an interesting experiment, and special thanks :love11: to those who posted within the confines of the opening post request.

A lot of interesting recollections shared.


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Stereo is preferable to mono.

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However, let's look deeper, the scientology or hubbardology promised we who got involved, yes the cheese or good experiences, why when we did the whole bridge to total freedom, and comparing scientology to Buddhism, why we would become cause over life and we could be cause over getting a new body in the next life and remembering everything, perfect recall. What a ideal scene or sublime.

Never happened and will never happen with scientology/hubbardology.

Yep. :)
 

shanesmith

New Member
I co-audited the objectives and found it one of the only times that all other silly Org crap stayed out of my world... It was a changing experience, for the better - and one that I still don't completely understand. I would really like to discuss this area of knowledge further with someone who's possibly trained and understands the subject in detail. I found it humbling.
 

Knows

Gold Meritorious Patron
I did get this positive stuff out of Scientology...:think::itstrue:

The ABILITY GAINED
to have TOTAL conceptual understanding of CULT mind control tactics and make those tactics DISAPPEAR from my universe.

:pixiedust:

I also line charged when watching Leah Remini's A&E Docuseries - $cientology; The Aftermath!

AND

I also now know what COURAGE looks like!

See the photo of this amazing big being below!!

Go Leah Remini!! We LOVE you!!

and without L Ron Hubbard's Tech - I would have not had the amazing wins from Mike Rinder and Leah Remini's Show.

So - those are my amazing wins from $cientology!! Thanks Ron - without your amazing tech - I would be clueless about evil cults.

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JustSheila

Crusader
[sarcasm] I had a GREAT experience in Scientology! See, a ten-week entheta documentary about Scientology was about to start showing on TV. So, I was on an "Ex"-Scientologist message board and started a thread on "Good experiences in Scientology" shortly before the series began. Talk about a successful action! Wow! Big win! For DAYS the "Recent Forum Posts" area of the message board was largely dominated by benign, innocuous and anodyne "good experiences in Scientology" comments, helping to divert attention from the TV series and such irrelevancies as child abuse in Scientology. Very Well Done, if I must say so myself. Wow, was I Keyed Out![/sarcasm]

CommunicatorIC, here's another possibility:

We've already seen that whenever there is a huge expose about Scientology, lots of people show up at exscn. General public, ex-Scientologists... lots of people.

Some show up for the first time, others have been invisible for years. Some come to say, "That happened to me, too!" Others show up to deny all the bad, because they were taught to do that for years. The important thing is, they come out and begin to talk about it in some way or another. I think few, if any, are actually OSA or similar when there's a big expose in the media. Even if some are, what they read here and all the stories and evidence affects them. The believers didn't want to know, but it becomes impossible to deny it all when their own bad memories start coming forward. Many of those who came here originally as OSA or to do amends ended up leaving the cult.

The irony is, even the true believers bring more people to this site. :laugh: Once they're here, well... the stories speak for themselves. :yes:
 

George Layton

Silver Meritorious Patron
CommunicatorIC, here's another possibility:

We've already seen that whenever there is a huge expose about Scientology, lots of people show up at exscn. General public, ex-Scientologists... lots of people.

Some show up for the first time, others have been invisible for years. Some come to say, "That happened to me, too!" Others show up to deny all the bad, because they were taught to do that for years. The important thing is, they come out and begin to talk about it in some way or another. I think few, if any, are actually OSA or similar when there's a big expose in the media. Even if some are, what they read here and all the stories and evidence affects them. The believers didn't want to know, but it becomes impossible to deny it all when their own bad memories start coming forward. Many of those who came here originally as OSA or to do amends ended up leaving the cult.

The irony is, even the true believers bring more people to this site. :laugh: Once they're here, well... the stories speak for themselves. :yes:

This makes me wonder, if someone didn't have any negative experiences did they really know scientology? Is it truly a good thing not to have known any negativity in scientology given what all it encompasses?
 

JustSheila

Crusader
This makes me wonder, if someone didn't have any negative experiences did they really know scientology? Is it truly a good thing not to have known any negativity in scientology given what all it encompasses?

:thumbsup:

I have a family member who only did the Comm Course, then left forever. He had wins. He didn't know any negativity that affected him personally, but he saw enough controls while there that he didn't want to do a single other thing in it for the rest of his life.

To this day, he says the Comm Course helped him a lot with communication, but he wants nothing else to do with Scientology.
 

Gizmo

Rabble Rouser
tr8theta, why thank you for the PMs you sent ! Your attempt make wrong is feeble.

Frankly, I've seen so much better attempts at enturbulation & entheta by third graders.

But, hey, keep those PMs coming as I do enjoy good belly laugh.

Oh, good luck in your self appointed role as thread monitor via PM.

Stay in scientology, they operate at your pace :)
 

cleared cannibal

Silver Meritorious Patron
I wasn't going to post any of this, but my request in the opening post was sufficiently ignored that I took the liberty of re-posting some old content that contained negatives, and also broadened the point being made.

I'm not blaming anyone. It's difficult to discuss Scientology without mentioning the negatives. Ideally, though, it shouldn't become a habit to the point where one can't control oneself to the extent of not being able to break with the habit, even for a little while on one little insignificant thread.

But there are so many hidden hooks in Scientology, and so many betrayals, that it can be hard to avoid mentioning them.

Oh well. It was an interesting experiment, and special thanks :love11: to those who posted within the confines of the opening post request.

A lot of interesting recollections shared.


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Yep. :)

You know I had never read this before, skipped over I guess. I never made to the 2nd layer but was caught for many years in that nether world between 1 st and 2nd layer. It is one of cognitive dissonance and after a while is a very uncomfortable place to be. As an analogy I liken it to being sucked into a black hole in space. There is a point of no return called the event horizon. I teetered along this for many years I guess before TPTB in Scn decided it was time I crossed. Some how I was able to extract myself. I don't think it can be overstated how important it is to think in Scientologyese to be totally taken in. I still believe this cannot be accomplished w/o the training or with processing alone no matter how many releases one might have. Truthfully there was a lot good happened to me before attempted forced crossing to the dark side. Maybe I should be happy with my wins and just go on with my life and I think I would if I could completely sever my ties to Scn. I still say there is much good in the first layer as it is put but the gravitational pull to the next layer makes it too dangerous to go there.
 

Veda

Sponsor
[sarcasm] I had a GREAT experience in Scientology! See, a ten-week entheta documentary about Scientology was about to start showing on TV. So, I was on an "Ex"-Scientologist message board and started a thread on "Good experiences in Scientology" shortly before the series began. Talk about a successful action! Wow! Big win! For DAYS the "Recent Forum Posts" area of the message board was largely dominated by benign, innocuous and anodyne "good experiences in Scientology" comments, helping to divert attention from the TV series and such irrelevancies as child abuse in Scientology. Very Well Done, if I must say so myself. Wow, was I Keyed Out![/sarcasm]

Has it occurred to you that those most in need of the information on this Message Board are those still under the influence of the Scientology organization?

If such people become curious and, very tentatively and, perhaps, fearfully, search the Internet, wouldn't it be preferable if they found at least one thread - a thread! - that didn't repeatedly tell them what fools they are?


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Another old re-post which I'm sure you love.


When confronted by a person, who is in the process of being lured into Scientology, and has just pleasantly used his newly acquired "Comm Course" skills to establish communication with, and happily extrovert, a withdrawn little old lady neighbor, and is very pleased with himself about his good deed, and equally as impressed with his success applying the "tech," don't go

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on the person, because that probably won't help free him from the sucking power of Scientology.

The fact is the little old lady did feel better, and was cheerfully extroverted.

Recognize that, and then take it from there.
 
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