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Discussion in 'Scientology Technology' started by Owen, Oct 23, 2018.

  1. Little David

    Little David Gold Meritorious Patron

    Tunnel vision is often considered a negative attribute.
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  2. I told you I was trouble

    I told you I was trouble Suspended animation

    True ... and you would know!

    Only joking (I couldn't resist).

  3. strativarius

    strativarius Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband

    Owen, let's stop pussyfooting around and get serious. Clears, GPM's, Implants etc. are all figments of Hubbard's imagination. I'm not a psychologist, but I can't imagine anything beneficial to your mental health occurring if you start trying to figure out which 'term' goes with which 'opterm' in these imaginary GPM's of yours or whatever the fuck it is that you are doing.

    You are never going to become 'clear' or 'unabberated' following the path you seem to be on, and if you feel you need therapy or guidance I strongly suggest you look elsewhere - perhaps in more conventional fields of mental or psychological healing.

    For your own sake, please forget all about GPM's and any other constructs of Hubbard's, they were created for his benefit, not yours.
  4. Mimsey Borogrove

    Mimsey Borogrove Crusader

    Yes there are the implant GPMs of which the clearing course materials, and OT 2 are examples of that are in current use. If you want to learn how to run your own GPMs, get some tech vols from 1960 on and read the different procedures there. It tells you how to do 3M etc. and there's probably no reason you can't do them solo on a meter. I would print out a few Listing & Nulling correction lists, and if you can find any correction lists for the solo levels on line, (not nots correction lists) because if you fuck up, and get a wrong item, you are going to want to fix it.
    You are really going to need to know L&N perfect as well. Get those laws down.

    Good luck with that, I heard some old timers swore by it and wondered why Hubbard ever abandoned the technology. Also, if you can get old cassettes of the class 4 checksheet they also have some relevance, as the person's ser fac, per Hubbard, creates the pc's own GPM. You better have your solo metering down 100% as well. Do the book of emeter drills solo till you have it down pat.

  5. DagwoodGum

    DagwoodGum Squirreling Dervish

    But you forgot to mention what his likely lasting gains will be after jumping through all those hoops?
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  6. strativarius

    strativarius Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband

    Jesus wept!
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  7. ThetanExterior

    ThetanExterior Gold Meritorious Patron

    If Hubbard knew what he was talking about regarding so-called "GPMs", or anything else for that matter, then how come he ended up so fucked up? Any answers Mimsey?
  8. Mimsey Borogrove

    Mimsey Borogrove Crusader

    You know, there were old timers like Dart Samoen who posted here about the big wins on the level. The whole premise was to find your goals and what opposes them. That may be revelatory to a person who is restraining him/her self. I mainly said, I didn't see that there was any reason you couldn't solo those processes, and in the generalist of terms how to go about it. I gave a couple cautions.

    He's the one who wants to try it out. Why not? People try any number of things in their life, that may not be such a hot idea in hindsight. Maybe he'll get a win? Maybe he won't? Maybe he is on to the only true workable technology of Scientology that was ditched by El Ron?

    It can't be any stupider than going out into a bull ring, wearing spandex, a flashy red cape, a skinny ass sword, and that Motera jauntily placed on your head and pissing off a 1500 LB. Toro Bravo.


  9. Gib

    Gib Crusader

    actually what you state strat is true and not true.

    What L Ron did was to get us to believe the state of clear did exist in his mind and then our minds, and he got us to agree, that a clear can happen and later a OT can happen.

    Myself, I think this is called sublime writing.
  10. DagwoodGum

    DagwoodGum Squirreling Dervish

    Mimsey, I was asking in all seriousness and was not putting it down. That would be very LRH of me to put it down or call people names for doing it. I was wondering what you get for going through all of that is all. Seems like a lot of work, and as I'm lazy about doing things where I'm not convinced it will be worthwhile, I just wanted to know what the EP will be so I could decide for myself whether it would be worthwhile. No intention to offend, very little LRH left in me anymore.
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  11. strativarius

    strativarius Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband

    His name was DartSmohen, and (putting it as delicately as I can) he was sometimes guilty of being a little 'economical with the truth'. I know because I was on the Saint Hill RPF with him and he told a few porkies about me and posted them here long before I ever knew about esmb.
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  12. Mimsey Borogrove

    Mimsey Borogrove Crusader

    Thanks - I just read some of his posts - I never met him, nor had any gauge of his "otness" or not. Perhaps you remember Clarise Jackson? She was the MAA at AOLA and had a reputation of being a bit of a bitch. I managed to escape her wrath, by and large, but others didn't. So, Hubbard develops the L's, and she was I guess, sent to the ship and was run on them. Then when they were first promoting the L's, they sent her out as a sample of what the L's could do. There was quite an interesting change in her. It was one of the reasons I wanted to do the L's, Another was Chris Montgomery - a very able L's completion. Maybe the stuff worked on them. I dunno. I dunno how much truth there is in the stories here that Hubbard was jealous of the wins people were getting on GPM running. :confused:

    Obviously, Owen knows something about them to want to give it a go. 99% of people have no clue about it. So, maybe he should satisfy his curiosity?

  13. strativarius

    strativarius Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband

    How you gauge somebody's 'OTness' is a skill I'd venture to suggest only you know Mimsey.

    Why on earth should I remember Clarise Jackson, I'm English, or has that fact hitherto escaped your attention?

    Sorry, I know nothing about the 'L's'.

    What is there to know about GPM's other than the whole idea is a crock of shit dreamed up by Hubbard?
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  14. HelluvaHoax!

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    Now do you see why I have never been able to work out of the lower condition of "Doubt" and make up my mind as to whether Mimsey is a troll or simply a useful idiot?

    Apologies to Mimsey for this "briefing" and "r-factor". I know you don't have an F/N right at this moment----you're not supposed to.[sup]1[/sup]

    [sup]1[/sup] To wit, Scientologists believe that it's the ideal scene to ALWAYS have a floating needle, VVGIs and that everything is ALWAYS supposed to "indicate" and "blow charge". Just ask Billy Blowdown, he can explain this advanced concept, LOL.

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  16. HelluvaHoax!

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    Maybe Ron really saved all mankind, I dunno.

    Maybe Ron is really at Target II, I dunno.

    Maybe Scientology is the only game in the universe where everyone wins, I dunno.

    Maybe some Scientologists really can levitate MEST, exteriorize and travel the universe and instantly postulate miracles into existence, I dunno.

    Maybe Scientologists who lost their money and their mind in that Spiritual-Ponzi-Scheme-Hoax-Racket-Cult actually made huge financial & spiritual "gains"---that will show up later, I dunno.

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  17. George Layton

    George Layton Silver Meritorious Patron

    At least the bull is real.
  18. HelluvaHoax!

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    I love that word "sublime", but hesitate to apply it to anything Hubbard did.

    I prefer the term "carnivorous cult copywriting".

    However, on second thought, maybe you have created a new and improved descriptive of Hubbard's writing, vis-a-vis a portmanteau opportunity!

    sublime + dub-in = DUBLIME

    wiki link: "The word portmanteau was first used in this sense by Lewis Carroll in the book Through the Looking-Glass (1871), in which Humpty Dumpty explains to Alice the coinage of the unusual words in "Jabberwocky", where slithy means "slimy and lithe" and mimsy is "miserable and flimsy".
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  20. Mimsey Borogrove

    Mimsey Borogrove Crusader

    If you can't gauge a person's "otness" I would wager you are a failure as a scientologist and your time there was wasted.
    So sad, the opportunities that have slipped by in ones life.