Group O/W write-ups

[Jimmy Cricket]

20-odd years ago, the entire staff was ordered to do mass O/W write-ups after hours. This was due to persistent down stats. Before the O/W write-ups began, we all had to Chinese School "Reasonableness" and M-9 KSW Series 1.

After that, we were instructed to write up ALL of our O/Ws, including any that had been only partially written up earlier, and any O/Ws we still had attention on even after earlier O/W write-ups.

This went on for many, many days. We were told that this would continue as a group until everyone had finished writing up all of their O/Ws.

Normally, O/W write-ups are worked on only until you feel better about yourself, and then stopped. It is quite possible to overrun on O/W write-up.

After a while, when staff started grinding on their write-ups, i.e. having difficulty thinking of any more O/Ws to confess, we were given hints about specific areas of our life to examine. Then later on, were told to start writing up O/Ws on thoughts. In other words, confess to "evil purposes" we had thought of, no matter how fleeting, and write up the evil thoughts. These thoughts would be used later for sec checks.

In the beginning, people started brightening up as Time-Form-Place-Event was viewed and charge was blown. Later on, as serious grinding had set in and O/Ws were overrun, it was pretty obvious that most staff were quite downtone, but were forced to pretend to be uptone so we could get this write-up over with. We all wanted to get some sleep, as this could drag on into morning hours.

Has anyone else ever been forced into a situation like this?

Writing up O/Ws can be difficult enough, but when you are not sessionable, but very tired and hungry, it can really suck.

And yes, I later got into trouble for some of the "thought O/Ws" I ended up writing.

 

[Zinjifar]

Has anyone else ever been forced into a situation like this?

Holy shit. Thousands, if not millions of people have been subjected to such treatment.

Admittedly, for most it was the threat of murder for their children or cattle prods or thumbscrews that got them to go along with the gag.

But, mostly *not* the loss of a 'Bridge'

Zinj

 

[Alan]

20-odd years ago, the entire staff was ordered to do mass O/W write-ups after hours. This was due to persistent down stats. Before the O/W write-ups began, we all had to Chinese School "Reasonableness" and M-9 KSW Series 1.

After that, we were instructed to write up ALL of our O/Ws, including any that had been only partially written up earlier, and any O/Ws we still had attention on even after earlier O/W write-ups.

This went on for many, many days. We were told that this would continue as a group until everyone had finished writing up all of their O/Ws.

Normally, O/W write-ups are worked on only until you feel better about yourself, and then stopped. It is quite possible to overrun on O/W write-up.

After a while, when staff started grinding on their write-ups, i.e. having difficulty thinking of any more O/Ws to confess, we were given hints about specific areas of our life to examine. Then later on, were told to start writing up O/Ws on thoughts. In other words, confess to "evil purposes" we had thought of, no matter how fleeting, and write up the evil thoughts. These thoughts would be used later for sec checks.

In the beginning, people started brightening up as Time-Form-Place-Event was viewed and charge was blown. Later on, as serious grinding had set in and O/Ws were overrun, it was pretty obvious that most staff were quite downtone, but were forced to pretend to be uptone so we could get this write-up over with. We all wanted to get some sleep, as this could drag on into morning hours.

Has anyone else ever been forced into a situation like this?

Writing up O/Ws can be difficult enough, but when you are not sessionable, but very tired and hungry, it can really suck.

And yes, I later got into trouble for some of the "thought O/Ws" I ended up writing.

Welcome to the Scio INVENTED OVERT - WITHOLD IMPLANT!

 

[Bea Kiddo]

Part of the flaw in Scientology, I would say.

There is an HCO B which covers which processes are limited, and which are unlimited.

And yes, O/W processes are considered unlimited processes. And I think that gets totally misconstrued.

There is really no such thing as an overrun in O/W processes, in the church. You may have bypassed a win, but not overrun. Doesnt exist.

(I am speaking from my experience as a Class VI C/S in GAT era. I only tell you that cause you don't know me from Adam).

---

Having had thousands of hours of FPRD myself, I would say it was severely overrun. I cant remember ever liking FPRD. maybe I did. But it got so overdone that I hate it. All of it. Every second of it.

 

[Dulloldfart]

Having had thousands of hours of FPRD myself, I would say it was severely overrun. I cant remember ever liking FPRD. maybe I did. But it got so overdone that I hate it. All of it. Every second of it.

Rub & Yawn it. It works. Just take as your topic everything to do with FPRD, the people, the places, the events, whatever auditing shows up, the thoughts, emotions, efforts etc, yours and others. It will discharge whatever you're sitting in.

Paul

 

[Bea Kiddo]

Rub & Yawn it. It works. Just take as your topic everything to do with FPRD, the people, the places, the events, whatever auditing shows up, the thoughts, emotions, efforts etc, yours and others. It will discharge whatever you're sitting in.

Paul

Thank you. But I figured that with Rub and Yawn, you would take up whatever comes up. That means it would be things one is interested in handling. FPRD is number 1,000,908,670,809 on the list. (I dont have many problems, I'm just saying that it wouldnt be the first thing I would take up).

I took up one thing on R&Y and it ran very well. Keyed it out. I felt great all that day. I'll have to get back for another soon I think.

Thank you!!!

 

[Emma]

Melbourne got an RTC citation at one stage whereby all TTC & tech terminals had to write their O/Ws NOW!!!

So we all did and we had to get meter checked etc.

I felt quite good after doing it and thought that would be that.

Then there came a comm down from CLO that a few of us had to do more. How on earth they could say that anyone needed to do more without seeing any of us or interviewing us was beyond me.

Anyway, I cracked the shits and did it anyway under protest. Trying to get an FN under those circumstances was difficult. I hadn't discovered the bum clench technique at that point. Finally I got an FN and my new set of OWs was sent uplines.

Then the telex came.

I was ordered to CLO for sec checking.

It was 3 weeks until my daughters first birthday, my husband & I were both on staff and working nights & weekends and I knew that both our lives would fall apart if I left Melbourne. Plus I was scared to leave my daughter for what I knew would be a long cycle. So I refused.

I was threatened with an instant declare from the RTC rep at AOSH ANZO.

So I got on a bus and did the 14 hour trip to Sydney.

I got extremely sick, there was no auditor, I was made to do conditions at the CLO, I had to pay for accommodation....I had never felt so bad in my ENTIRE LIFE. I also missed my daughters first birthday.

There is more to this story but I'm getting too pissed off remembering it to say any more.

 

[Div6]

Melbourne got an RTC citation at one stage whereby all TTC & tech terminals had to write their O/Ws NOW!!!

So we all did and we had to get meter checked etc.

I felt quite good after doing it and thought that would be that.

Then there came a comm down from CLO that a few of us had to do more. How on earth they could say that anyone needed to do more without seeing any of us or interviewing us was beyond me.

Anyway, I cracked the shits and did it anyway under protest. Trying to get an FN under those circumstances was difficult. I hadn't discovered the bum clench technique at that point. Finally I got an FN and my new set of OWs was sent uplines.

Then the telex came.

I was ordered to CLO for sec checking.

It was 3 weeks until my daughters first birthday, my husband & I were both on staff and working nights & weekends and I knew that both our lives would fall apart if I left Melbourne. Plus I was scared to leave my daughter for what I knew would be a long cycle. So I refused.

I was threatened with an instant declare from the RTC rep at AOSH ANZO.

So I got on a bus and did the 14 hour trip to Sydney.

I got extremely sick, there was no auditor, I was made to do conditions at the CLO, I had to pay for accommodation....I had never felt so bad in my ENTIRE LIFE. I also missed my daughters first birthday.

There is more to this story but I'm getting too pissed off remembering it to say any more.

Enforced wrong why?

 

[lionheart]

Welcome to the Scio INVENTED OVERT - WITHOLD IMPLANT!

I've concluded that the overt-motivator sequence is a lie created to exert control.

I remember a level 2 tape where LRH says the overt-motivator sequence is not Kama, which is an implant. I remember, even as a good scientologist, figuring over that one. Why was it different from Kama? Why was kama an implant, but the overt motivator sequence wasn't?

The only answer I've come up with after thirty years is that the concept of the overt-motivator sequence was created by LRH and the concept of Kama wasn't. That's what made it different, more profound, special - it was LRH's!

Hence he dismissed Kama as an implant. It was one of his magician's sleight of hands - saying what was there in front of you is not there in front of you (the best way to hide something is to put it in full view) "The overt-motivator is not Kama. The overt-motivator is not an implant. Kama is an implant. You will obey, you will obey!"

He did this quite often, stating that something was not the something that it was (Op Pro by Dup is not hypnotism - the overt-motivator sequence is not an implant - Dianetic Book One auditing is not hypnotism - HCOPL What Your Fees Buy "the fees you pay for service do not go to me", etc,)

He invented the overt-motivator sequence (originally he called it the DED-DEDEX deserved act, deserved act exposed) and in auditing it can give tremendous relief - I know this as a PC and as an auditor, But LRH misused this to abuse and degrade his followers with concepts like "pulling it in" and out of session O/W's to explain our results that he adjudged as "failiings".

It was an implanted control mechanism that LRH ran on all us slaves.

 

[lionheart]

Melbourne got an RTC citation at one stage whereby all TTC & tech terminals had to write their O/Ws NOW!!!

So we all did and we had to get meter checked etc.

I felt quite good after doing it and thought that would be that.

Then there came a comm down from CLO that a few of us had to do more. How on earth they could say that anyone needed to do more without seeing any of us or interviewing us was beyond me.

Anyway, I cracked the shits and did it anyway under protest. Trying to get an FN under those circumstances was difficult. I hadn't discovered the bum clench technique at that point. Finally I got an FN and my new set of OWs was sent uplines.

Then the telex came.

I was ordered to CLO for sec checking.

It was 3 weeks until my daughters first birthday, my husband & I were both on staff and working nights & weekends and I knew that both our lives would fall apart if I left Melbourne. Plus I was scared to leave my daughter for what I knew would be a long cycle. So I refused.

I was threatened with an instant declare from the RTC rep at AOSH ANZO.

So I got on a bus and did the 14 hour trip to Sydney.

I got extremely sick, there was no auditor, I was made to do conditions at the CLO, I had to pay for accommodation....I had never felt so bad in my ENTIRE LIFE. I also missed my daughters first birthday.

There is more to this story but I'm getting too pissed off remembering it to say any more.

You were being implanted by LRH's robot implanters, Emma! That's what was happening. You were being made more controllable.

Have a great birthday with your daughter on friday and let is pass by. The pain eases in time.

 

[Dulloldfart]

Thank you. But I figured that with Rub and Yawn, you would take up whatever comes up. That means it would be things one is interested in handling. FPRD is number 1,000,908,670,809 on the list. (I dont have many problems, I'm just saying that it wouldnt be the first thing I would take up).

I took up one thing on R&Y and it ran very well. Keyed it out. I felt great all that day. I'll have to get back for another soon I think.

Thank you!!!

There are two ways of choosing a topic. The "whatever comes up" seems to work well enough for new people, and for old people who haven't been audited for a while. After a lot of auditing, I don't know. With me, most of the time it works, but not always.

Many times I have wanted to address one particular item for research purposes, and then I just C/S for a session on that particular item, and that is all. For example, a couple of months back I was exchanging e-mails with Alison Bourne, the inventor of Colour Breathing, and I experimented with some of her items using the R&Y technique. Some of them discharged, and some didn't. It wasn't a full test at all, but it did show that there might be some workability to her therapy. And another use for mine.

So, if you wanted to address your FPRD hassles, you could. If it is way down the list, that's your choice.

Or maybe not, if you're going for the "flash-answer" topic-selection method.

I'm very glad you're finding it useful, anyway. And I am finding it erases things, not just keys them out. Check it out--if you're up to it, anyway. Try and key back in what you were addressing before. (I'm serious, but it's OK if you don't want to.)

Paul

 

[Ralph Hilton]

O/W is NOT an unlimited process. It is a rather junior address to a case.
Here are some quotes from HCOB 22 December 1960 "O/W - A Limited Theory"
"Before I would permit you to believe that the overt-withhold mechanism was a total way of life, I would point out that it applies only to a strata of existence and that it stems from failures to help."
"O-W is a theory which sets in when aberration sets in. It is not a high natural law. It is junior to the various laws of Communication, Control and Help.
O-W can occur only when help has failed. Help is a co-joining of vectors of life. When two beings who have joined forces to help fail each other, only then does O-W come into existence."
"You will not always have to be careful not to bump Joe. It would be a horrible
universe indeed if O-W was its senior law, for one could then never do anything. Fortunately, it drops out, both as a governing law and a necessity in life."

 

[Bea Kiddo]

O/W is NOT an unlimited process. It is a rather junior address to a case.
Here are some quotes from HCOB 22 December 1960 "O/W - A Limited Theory"
"Before I would permit you to believe that the overt-withhold mechanism was a total way of life, I would point out that it applies only to a strata of existence and that it stems from failures to help."
"O-W is a theory which sets in when aberration sets in. It is not a high natural law. It is junior to the various laws of Communication, Control and Help.
O-W can occur only when help has failed. Help is a co-joining of vectors of life. When two beings who have joined forces to help fail each other, only then does O-W come into existence."
"You will not always have to be careful not to bump Joe. It would be a horrible
universe indeed if O-W was its senior law, for one could then never do anything. Fortunately, it drops out, both as a governing law and a necessity in life."

Do you know the HCOB I am talking about?

I do not have a set of tech vols, so I cannot dig up the reference. If I did, I would.

 

[Alan]

I am utterly amazed at how clueless most of you are on O/W type processes.

They are a very limited process. Their purpose was to key-out GPM Reliable Items and consequently key-out the GPM.

GPM Reliable Items are identity or beingness type items.

A DONE can either be a positive good or optimum action or a harmful action.

A WITHHOLD can either be a positive good or optimum action or done or not done in order to prevent a harmful action, or it can be an action or something you do not want known.

Any overun of these actions will dump you into a full dramatization of the the degraded end of a GPM package.

Any failure to run the positive good or optimum actions will cause a massive degrade to the pcs ability to act and a massive degrade to the pcs life and living.

Realize DONES are after the fact of BEs.

Too much DONES and you will have activated all sorts of BEs.

You, and your life will feel like shit from then on.

Alan

 

[Ralph Hilton]

Do you know the HCOB I am talking about?

I do not have a set of tech vols, so I cannot dig up the reference. If I did, I would.

Is this the one (Scientology 8-8008) ? Its listed here as limited aswell.

The following is a list of effective procedures as of April 28th, 1953. If a procedure is labelled (U) it is unlimited and could be audited thousands of hours and only improve a case: if labelled (L) it is limited and must be handled with discretion and alternated with an unlimited technique: if it is labelled (S) it is seldom used: if labelled (A) it is used in assists.
Engram Running, Book One (L) (A)
* Grief and Other Secondaries (L) (A)
Lock Scanning (L) (A)
Emotional Curves (L) (S)
Service Facsimile Chain as Engrams (L) (S)
Effort Processing (L) (A)
ARC Straight Wire, Science of Survival (A)
Negative Exteriorization (L)
Ridge Running (L)
* Ded-Dedex (L) (S) (Current lifetime used for fast releases)
Motivator-Overt (L) (S)
Matched Terminals in Mock-ups (L) (S)
Double Terminals in Mock-ups (L) (A)
* Positive Exteriorization (Step I SOP 8) (U)
* Own Body Mock-up (Step II SOP 8) (L)
* Spacation (Step III SOP 8 and General Usage) (U)
* Expanded Gita (Step IV SOP 8) (L)
* Present Time Differentiation (Step V SOP 8) (U)
* Exteriorization by Scenery (Step V SOP 8) (U)
* Self Analysis in Scientology and British S.A. in Dianetics (same volume)
(Step VI SOP 8) (U)
* Imitation of Things (Step VII SOP 8) (U)
* Creative Processing (as in Scientology 8-8008) (U)
The symbol (*) before a process above means it is recommended.

 

[Zinjifar]

Too much DONES and you will have activated all sorts of BEs.

You, and your life will feel like shit from then on.

Alan

And never ever forget; if you step on a crack, you'll break your mother's back.

Zinj

 

[alex]

Part of the flaw in Scientology, I would say.

There is an HCO B which covers which processes are limited, and which are unlimited.

And yes, O/W processes are considered unlimited processes. And I think that gets totally misconstrued.

There is really no such thing as an overrun in O/W processes, in the church. You may have bypassed a win, but not overrun. Doesnt exist.

(I am speaking from my experience as a Class VI C/S in GAT era. I only tell you that cause you don't know me from Adam).

---

Having had thousands of hours of FPRD myself, I would say it was severely overrun. I cant remember ever liking FPRD. maybe I did. But it got so overdone that I hate it. All of it. Every second of it.

Just because a process can be run multiple times, does not mean there is always something there to run!!!


The significance of different aspects of scientology in its various different eras locations, and cultures, seems to be a dramatization of the case of its various "leaders" and persons of influence.

And now days we are in the era of "enemy" significance.

imo

alex

 

[Zinjifar]

Just because a process can be run multiple times, does not mean there is always something there to run!!!

alex

'If you run it, they will come'

Zinj

 

[Tanstaafl]

I've concluded that the overt-motivator sequence is a lie created to exert control.

I remember a level 2 tape where LRH says the overt-motivator sequence is not Kama, which is an implant. I remember, even as a good scientologist, figuring over that one. Why was it different from Kama? Why was kama an implant, but the overt motivator sequence wasn't?

The only answer I've come up with after thirty years is that the concept of the overt-motivator sequence was created by LRH and the concept of Kama wasn't. That's what made it different, more profound, special - it was LRH's!

Hence he dismissed Kama as an implant. It was one of his magician's sleight of hands - saying what was there in front of you is not there in front of you (the best way to hide something is to put it in full view) "The overt-motivator is not Kama. The overt-motivator is not an implant. Kama is an implant. You will obey, you will obey!"

He did this quite often, stating that something was not the something that it was (Op Pro by Dup is not hypnotism - the overt-motivator sequence is not an implant - Dianetic Book One auditing is not hypnotism - HCOPL What Your Fees Buy "the fees you pay for service do not go to me", etc,)

He invented the overt-motivator sequence (originally he called it the DED-DEDEX deserved act, deserved act exposed) and in auditing it can give tremendous relief - I know this as a PC and as an auditor, But LRH misused this to abuse and degrade his followers with concepts like "pulling it in" and out of session O/W's to explain our results that he adjudged as "failiings".

It was an implanted control mechanism that LRH ran on all us slaves.

Sorry to be Mr Pedantic (well, quite enjoying it really ) but a DED is an overt without a prior motivator and a DEDEX is a motivator that follows an overt and is then placed in front of the overt on the track thus making a dog's dinner of the time track.

To be fair to LRH (he says while dodging rotten fruit being thrown in his general direction) he did state that the overt-motivator sequence does not have to be agreed with.

You may well be on to something though.

My beef is that the OM sequence is not explained in terms of origin. What was the first overt? How did thetans get into a position whereby they could receive motivators? Etc. I've fished around this area and didn't come up with much, just: Not liking another's mock-up. Monkeying-around with others' mock-ups.

Cheers

tanstaafl

 

[Tanstaafl]

'If you run it, they will come'

Zinj

LOL.

I seem to have a thing about finding movie references funny
(sorry - just wanted to use that smiley for some reason)