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Dulloldfart

Squirrel Extraordinaire
My beef is that the OM sequence is not explained in terms of origin.

Hubbard said it came from this implant, the Forerunner GPM in OT2. The link is to the Prometheus write-up. It reads like the original to me, except for not being hand-written and with a couple of diagrams missing.

Alan may have a better idea as to the actual origin. I have no data on the actual origin.

Paul
 

Tanstaafl

Crusader
Hubbard said it came from this implant, the Forerunner GPM in OT2. The link is to the Prometheus write-up. It reads like the original to me, except for not being hand-written and with a couple of diagrams missing.

Alan may have a better idea as to the actual origin. I have no data on the actual origin.

Paul

Thanks Paul - interesting.

I dare say a fare bit of data/tech was derived from examining whole track recall of implants and discovering why they worked. To be an effective implanter one would have to have a good understanding of thetans and minds, and perhaps most of what has been done in this field is beefing up pre-existing aspects of case. Presumably, implant GPMs can only act as locks on actual GPMs?

I'm feeling a bit rough tonight but will definitely try the Yawn and Rub procedure soon and get back to you.

Cheers

tanstaafl
 

Dulloldfart

Squirrel Extraordinaire
Thanks Paul - interesting.

I dare say a fare bit of data/tech was derived from examining whole track recall of implants and discovering why they worked. To be an effective implanter one would have to have a good understanding of thetans and minds, and perhaps most of what has been done in this field is beefing up pre-existing aspects of case. Presumably, implant GPMs can only act as locks on actual GPMs?

I'm feeling a bit rough tonight but will definitely try the Yawn and Rub procedure soon and get back to you.

Cheers

tanstaafl

That's what Hubbard said re the implant GPMs being locks on the actual ones. I have no idea if he is right or not. The :shark: stuff I did while under the influence doesn't really count because of the suggestibility factor, and the polarity processing I have done personally since then has been at a relatively light (lock-ish) level.

OK re the Rub & Yawn, as long as the roughness is physical. If it's mental, just R&Y it! It's like using NED to run ruds--you can R&Y pretty much anything, as long as it's charged and real and the body ruds are somewhat in.

Paul
 

alex

Gold Meritorious Patron
Thanks Paul - interesting.

I dare say a fare bit of data/tech was derived from examining whole track recall of implants and discovering why they worked. To be an effective implanter one would have to have a good understanding of thetans and minds, and perhaps most of what has been done in this field is beefing up pre-existing aspects of case. Presumably, implant GPMs can only act as locks on actual GPMs?

I'm feeling a bit rough tonight but will definitely try the Yawn and Rub procedure soon and get back to you.

Cheers

tanstaafl

There is no such thing as actual GPM's.

Looking for them in the past is a path toward agreement with fundamental alter is.

Actual GPM's would be LIFE.

Trying to session life as if it were a non Present time activity just implants what was....

Come to PT, live.

A process for life....perceive something....add to the creation.

alex
 

Zinjifar

Silver Meritorious Sponsor
There is no such thing as actual GPM's.

Looking for them in the past is a path toward agreement with fundamental alter is.

Actual GPM's would be LIFE.

Trying to session life as if it were a non Present time activity just implants what was....

Come to PT, live.

A process for life....perceive something....add to the creation.

alex

As much as I might agree, this doesn't sound very 'scientological'.

What happened to finding the 'earlier similar'?

Zinj
 

Div6

Crusader
There is no such thing as actual GPM's.

Looking for them in the past is a path toward agreement with fundamental alter is.

Actual GPM's would be LIFE.

Trying to session life as if it were a non Present time activity just implants what was....

Come to PT, live.

A process for life....perceive something....add to the creation.

alex

The difference between Implant GPM's and Actual GPM's is the SOURCE of the Purpose. In an Implant GPM the being is OVERWHELMED and given false significances or purposes. An actual GPM is where the being decided on a purpose or goal based on their OWN experience,

Theta does not need purposes to exist. That is a main point of Zen

Deciding to "eat out" is a purpose that a person created them self. IT doesn't become a GPM until there is opposition...the car accident that happened on the way, or the fight over which restaurant to go to.


The whole idea is to free up the fixed purposes (self-generated or otherwise) and thus move out of fixed beingnesses and valance packages. It's simple really....
 

alex

Gold Meritorious Patron
As much as I might agree, this doesn't sound very 'scientological'.

What happened to finding the 'earlier similar'?

Zinj

One of my big questions, even before scientology was; "what was before time?"
Answer: NOW

alex (did you know david miscavaige does not like semi-colons?)
 

Alan

Gold Meritorious Patron
There is no such thing as actual GPM's.

Looking for them in the past is a path toward agreement with fundamental alter is.

Actual GPM's would be LIFE.

Trying to session life as if it were a non Present time activity just implants what was....

Come to PT, live.

A process for life....perceive something....add to the creation.

alex

:confused2:

The point is there is no past!

There is nothing stopping you from being all you can be!

Doing all you can do!

Having all you can have!

:confused2:

There are no actual GPMs!

:confused2:

Alex wrote:

"Come to PT, live.

A process for life....perceive something....add to the creation."


Perfect process! But Ooops! something gets triggered....life starts adding to you! :angry:

:confused2:

How do you handle this? :)

Alan
 

Bea Kiddo

Crusader
I'm just telling y'all, whether you's likin' it er not, das whut it is with current technology, in da Golen Age o' Tech Era.

O/W's is UNLIMITED process!!!!!


And das whut dey say now-a-days. Mus' be rite.



Are you all



are you



are you tryin to say





do you mean






I mean





are you saying







that maybe






you mean to say








that








THE CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY IS IGNORANT?????

Is that whut you been tryin' to say this hole time, Alan?


Well, sheet me britches....
 

Alan

Gold Meritorious Patron
I'm just telling y'all, whether you's likin' it er not, das whut it is with current technology, in da Golen Age o' Tech Era.

O/W's is UNLIMITED process!!!!!


And das whut dey say now-a-days. Mus' be rite.



Are you all



are you



are you tryin to say





do you mean






I mean





are you saying







that maybe






you mean to say








that








THE CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY IS IGNORANT?????

Is that whut you been tryin' to say this hole time, Alan?


Well, sheet me britches....


:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:

These words are my own
From my heart flow
I love you, I love you, I love you, I love you
There’s no other way
To better say
I love you...
I love you, is that okay?

:blush:

Alan
 

alex

Gold Meritorious Patron
:confused2:

The point is there is no past!

There is nothing stopping you from being all you can be!

Doing all you can do!

Having all you can have!

:confused2:

There are no actual GPMs!

:confused2:

Alex wrote:

"Come to PT, live.

A process for life....perceive something....add to the creation."


Perfect process! But Ooops! something gets triggered....life starts adding to you! :angry:

:confused2:

How do you handle this? :)

Alan

Admire the heck out of it!!

alex
 

Jimmy Cricket

Patron with Honors
In my opinion, O/Ws are not an endless process, and can be overrun.

O/W write-ups can be useful, to get oneself to take responsibility for his own actions; confession is good for the soul. (DM probably wouldn't approve of that semicolon)

;;;;;;;;;;;;

But isn't it strange that you are never allowed to keep a copy of your own O/W write-ups, they become exclusive property of Church of Scientology International.

Carefully designed to entrap you, in Co$ cosmology.

O/W write-ups used to harass and degrade is Black Dianetics.
 

lionheart

Gold Meritorious Patron
In my opinion, O/Ws are not an endless process, and can be overrun.

O/W write-ups can be useful, to get oneself to take responsibility for his own actions; confession is good for the soul. (DM probably wouldn't approve of that semicolon)

;;;;;;;;;;;;

But isn't it strange that you are never allowed to keep a copy of your own O/W write-ups, they become exclusive property of Church of Scientology International.

Carefully designed to entrap you, in Co$ cosmology.

O/W write-ups used to harass and degrade is Black Dianetics.

And in case anyone is unclear about the matter: this Black use of O/Ws to harass and degrade was first used in the CofS by L Ron Hubbard and Mary Sue Hubbard. David Miscavage is just a late incident on the chain!
 

enux

New Member
Erasure

On total discharge of chane you look for the postulate and take it of it is behind the earliest similar. Remember the postulate is the one that makes you suseptable to aberation. Its your own damn considering you can be hurt. An ot cannot be aberated or hurt. It was your stupid postulate that got you in trouble. So find that postulate and turn it of and your case goes hehehehahahaa like in the horror movie!

enux:thumbsup:
 

grundy

Gold Meritorious Patron
O/Ws, motivators and my first post. :D

I've concluded that the overt-motivator sequence is a lie created to exert control.

I remember a level 2 tape where LRH says the overt-motivator sequence is not Kama, which is an implant. I remember, even as a good scientologist, figuring over that one. Why was it different from Kama? Why was kama an implant, but the overt motivator sequence wasn't?

The only answer I've come up with after thirty years is that the concept of the overt-motivator sequence was created by LRH and the concept of Kama wasn't. That's what made it different, more profound, special - it was LRH's!

Hence he dismissed Kama as an implant. It was one of his magician's sleight of hands - saying what was there in front of you is not there in front of you (the best way to hide something is to put it in full view) "The overt-motivator is not Kama. The overt-motivator is not an implant. Kama is an implant. You will obey, you will obey!"

He did this quite often, stating that something was not the something that it was (Op Pro by Dup is not hypnotism - the overt-motivator sequence is not an implant - Dianetic Book One auditing is not hypnotism - HCOPL What Your Fees Buy "the fees you pay for service do not go to me", etc,)

He invented the overt-motivator sequence (originally he called it the DED-DEDEX deserved act, deserved act exposed) and in auditing it can give tremendous relief - I know this as a PC and as an auditor, But LRH misused this to abuse and degrade his followers with concepts like "pulling it in" and out of session O/W's to explain our results that he adjudged as "failiings".

It was an implanted control mechanism that LRH ran on all us slaves.

I never disagreed with the concept of the overt motivator sequence. But misunderstanding of it is widespread (imho).

How many places is it talked about? There is mention of false O/Ws. And motivator-overt sequence. I think that the people dealing with "Ethics" had a blind spot for the REST of the HCOBs/PLs, etc.

Whenever someone got a big motivator, indications were made as to the big overt they must have committed, creating false O/ws. And out-lists. And etc.

My problems never had to do with the tech per se, but with the incorrect, limited, and alter-ised application thereof.

Management pushed it, execs committed it, tech terminals had to follow it or courts of ethics, comm evs, etc would result.

The average tech terminal that actually cleared their MUs (I was one) would look longingly at the reference and follow orders, cause it was too much effort to fight it.

For any false overts created, especially any that I had to do with, I apologize most sincerely.

I'd like to indicate that that was a false overt. :)

(I hope you all got a floating needle.) lol
 

nw2394

Silver Meritorious Patron
For any false overts created, especially any that I had to do with, I apologize most sincerely.

I'd like to indicate that that was a false overt. :)

(I hope you all got a floating needle.) lol

Gotcha loud and clear. Welcome to the list :thumbsup:

Nick
 

Mojo

Silver Meritorious Patron
I am utterly amazed at how clueless most of you are on O/W type processes.

Alan

Yikes. The silence is deafening as everyone in the room lowers their collective heads to face the floor in shame (unable to even glance at Rons statue in the corner).

Someone whispers "damn, more rice and beans tonight".
 

XtremeNL

New Member
Hi, first post for a anon here.
I came across a piece of seaorg policy, and I just wonder what you ex-scientologists think off it.
(I hope this is not to off-topic.)
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