Group O/W write-ups

[Div6]

Great first post.
Welcome to ESMB.


It's completely OUT-Tech, but hey, what do I know? I'm a declared SP!

 

[Rene Descartes]

'If you run it, they will come'

Zinj

You see what Zinj is getting at here?

The whole thing is ludicrous!

Can you picture if the New York Yankees had to write O/Ws everytime they were on a losing streak.

What if, heaven forbid, Tom Cruise became a movie driector and the production for the week was a little slow? O/W write-ups? Give me a break!

It's crazy.

You think that LRH could have come up with a more humane way to keep people wrapped around his finger?

And I can also say this because I was a terminal in an org who at tiems was given the responisiblity to check O/W write-ups to ensure that they were done correctly (gads!) and without getting into detail it is pretty obvious to me that the people who are writing them eventually get to a point where they were grabbing for straws with some of these O/Ws they were writing up.

Emma, I truly feel for what you went through and for anyone else out there who had to go through this.

I'm glad the hell is over for you all at least in that respect.

Rd00

 

[nexus100]

I've concluded that the overt-motivator sequence is a lie created to exert control.

I remember a level 2 tape where LRH says the overt-motivator sequence is not Kama, which is an implant. I remember, even as a good scientologist, figuring over that one. Why was it different from Kama? Why was kama an implant, but the overt motivator sequence wasn't?

The only answer I've come up with after thirty years is that the concept of the overt-motivator sequence was created by LRH and the concept of Kama wasn't. That's what made it different, more profound, special - it was LRH's!

Hence he dismissed Kama as an implant. It was one of his magician's sleight of hands - saying what was there in front of you is not there in front of you (the best way to hide something is to put it in full view) "The overt-motivator is not Kama. The overt-motivator is not an implant. Kama is an implant. You will obey, you will obey!"

He did this quite often, stating that something was not the something that it was (Op Pro by Dup is not hypnotism - the overt-motivator sequence is not an implant - Dianetic Book One auditing is not hypnotism - HCOPL What Your Fees Buy "the fees you pay for service do not go to me", etc,)

He invented the overt-motivator sequence (originally he called it the DED-DEDEX deserved act, deserved act exposed) and in auditing it can give tremendous relief - I know this as a PC and as an auditor, But LRH misused this to abuse and degrade his followers with concepts like "pulling it in" and out of session O/W's to explain our results that he adjudged as "failiings".

It was an implanted control mechanism that LRH ran on all us slaves.

Agreed. A handy way to control people is get them to believe they're evil. Sure you can feel relief from "overts". But every act you have any attention on in your life can be relieved by seeing it and letting it go. Does that make them "overts" to be confessed? If you really wanted to help someone you would never say they need to confess. You'd say you'll listen if they want to talk. If you really care for them they likely will. To make daily events crimes is to criminalize everyone but the masters.

 

[Wisened One]

Oh GOD, Yes! I'll never forget doing that! Our ENTIRE ORG had to do this MORE than once...Ugh, the overrun memories.....the enforced-guilt, the enforced make-wrongs.....

ANOTHER reason to be sooooo HAPPY we're OUT and DONE with THAT CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!

20-odd years ago, the entire staff was ordered to do mass O/W write-ups after hours. This was due to persistent down stats. Before the O/W write-ups began, we all had to Chinese School "Reasonableness" and M-9 KSW Series 1.

After that, we were instructed to write up ALL of our O/Ws, including any that had been only partially written up earlier, and any O/Ws we still had attention on even after earlier O/W write-ups.

This went on for many, many days. We were told that this would continue as a group until everyone had finished writing up all of their O/Ws.

Normally, O/W write-ups are worked on only until you feel better about yourself, and then stopped. It is quite possible to overrun on O/W write-up.

After a while, when staff started grinding on their write-ups, i.e. having difficulty thinking of any more O/Ws to confess, we were given hints about specific areas of our life to examine. Then later on, were told to start writing up O/Ws on thoughts. In other words, confess to "evil purposes" we had thought of, no matter how fleeting, and write up the evil thoughts. These thoughts would be used later for sec checks.

In the beginning, people started brightening up as Time-Form-Place-Event was viewed and charge was blown. Later on, as serious grinding had set in and O/Ws were overrun, it was pretty obvious that most staff were quite downtone, but were forced to pretend to be uptone so we could get this write-up over with. We all wanted to get some sleep, as this could drag on into morning hours.

Has anyone else ever been forced into a situation like this?

Writing up O/Ws can be difficult enough, but when you are not sessionable, but very tired and hungry, it can really suck.

And yes, I later got into trouble for some of the "thought O/Ws" I ended up writing.

 

[Leon]

It's not what you're confessing to that matters when it comes to this sort of brainwashing, it's the mere fact that you are positioning yourself so that you are LOWER and are confessing to them whom you place as HIGHER.

That is ALL that matters.

They don't ever confess to you. You confess to them. OK?

 

[Zinjifar]

It's not what you're confessing to that matters when it comes to this sort of brainwashing, it's the mere fact that you are positioning yourself so that you are LOWER and are confessing to them whom you place as HIGHER.

That is ALL that matters.

They don't ever confess to you. You confess to them. OK?

Exactly. It's about the acceptance of the *Authority*.

Zinj

 

[grundy]

I remember when that started .. it didnt last long if I remember right

 

[exsomessenger]

20-odd years ago, the entire staff was ordered to do mass O/W write-ups after hours. This was due to persistent down stats. Before the O/W write-ups began, we all had to Chinese School "Reasonableness" and M-9 KSW Series 1.

After that, we were instructed to write up ALL of our O/Ws, including any that had been only partially written up earlier, and any O/Ws we still had attention on even after earlier O/W write-ups.

This went on for many, many days. We were told that this would continue as a group until everyone had finished writing up all of their O/Ws.

Normally, O/W write-ups are worked on only until you feel better about yourself, and then stopped. It is quite possible to overrun on O/W write-up.

After a while, when staff started grinding on their write-ups, i.e. having difficulty thinking of any more O/Ws to confess, we were given hints about specific areas of our life to examine. Then later on, were told to start writing up O/Ws on thoughts. In other words, confess to "evil purposes" we had thought of, no matter how fleeting, and write up the evil thoughts. These thoughts would be used later for sec checks.

In the beginning, people started brightening up as Time-Form-Place-Event was viewed and charge was blown. Later on, as serious grinding had set in and O/Ws were overrun, it was pretty obvious that most staff were quite downtone, but were forced to pretend to be uptone so we could get this write-up over with. We all wanted to get some sleep, as this could drag on into morning hours.

Has anyone else ever been forced into a situation like this?

OW write ups.

I was posted as a Missionaire in the CMO CW. Our Co was being brought up to INT and a new CO (Fabio G???) was being posted. I secretly got fired on a mission, because I was one of the only people who had completed driving school, to pick up the missionaries and our new CO. As soon as they got to the Org we were told that there would be a 5pm muster @ the top of the FH. The whole Org was to write up all of their Overts and Withholds. This would continue for three days. It was very tense at the hacienda Gardens men’s berthing. We all had deck time after post. The whole Org was re organized and I was made mission 3rd for the rest of the mission. And then I was to be hated as a Cope Officer. A good friend got Declared SP on that mission (Jeff Blumberg.) He was a joker and degrader. He was super funny.

I hated lower conditions. That is why I loved being a missionaire. I did not mind the Sec Checks one bit. Stay clean get all your targets done complete your Mission Purpose and your Major Target’s and get the heck outta dodge.

 

[nexus100]

It's not what you're confessing to that matters when it comes to this sort of brainwashing, it's the mere fact that you are positioning yourself so that you are LOWER and are confessing to them whom you place as HIGHER.

That is ALL that matters.

They don't ever confess to you. You confess to them. OK?

OK as to understanding but not belief. To incessantly create lists of wrongs would annihilate one even if no one was forcing one to do it. And there are plenty of people who do that on their own.

 

[Good twin]

There actually have been several versions of this Group O/W write up thing. I remember back in 1977 or so someone came home from Flag and had huge wins writing O/Ws on all 8 dynamics. It was a handling that was shared and others tried it. Then Execs ordered it and down the chute we went. It became enforced and overused in no time. It fell out of favor for awhile. Then I saw it dusted off and repackaged in about 1985 or so. Now used mostly for staff. All nighters were spent writing O/Ws and KRs. Made us all long for the days when we spent all night selling books or passing out OCAs. Anyway. When the Life Improvement courses came out and PV&I had the O/Ws on the first 3 dynamics on it..... I just thought ....It's baaaack.

 

[gomorrhan]

Out-Tech. Should be audited, or not done, except on own determinism.

 

[Good twin]

Out-Tech. Should be audited, or not done, except on own determinism.

Ya think?

 

[Dulloldfart]

Around 1987 when I was in New World Corps, for maybe six months or a year we had metered "Weekly O/W checks". It was feasible to do them as at the time we were running a Pilot Senior Sec Checker Course (I was sup'ing that) and Internship, and there were a LOT of sec checkers around. The check was only a few questions. After ruds it was something like "Since your last O/W check, have you committed an overt?" "Since... do you have a withhold?" Just a few questions like that. But since the auditors could still be comm-eved for missing a withhold, they weren't brushed off.

Most of them went pretty smoothly. Sometimes someone would get bogged and would still be trying to flatten the weekly check from three weeks ago and not able to move on to the current one.

The main effect I noticed was that in life one would be careful not to do things that would come up in the next O/W check that you KNEW would happen at the end of the week. It is one thing to wonder whether or not you should do _____, knowing you would get in trouble for it when it got found out, if it might be years before it got found out. It is quite another to know that it would get found out in two days and four hours from now. It is not that this made me a whole lot more ethical as the things that read would not necessarily matter at all in the real world, but I did notice that change in my behaviour.

Years later when working at a Scn company outside the SO, someone told me that they were careful in their behaviour not to do things that would read on their next Solo NOTs 6-month check. Note they had to pay cash (at NOTs rates) to get off the O/Ws, whereas for me it was free of charge.

Paul

 

[nexus100]

Around 1987 when I was in New World Corps, for maybe six months or a year we had metered "Weekly O/W checks". It was feasible to do them as at the time we were running a Pilot Senior Sec Checker Course (I was sup'ing that) and Internship, and there were a LOT of sec checkers around. The check was only a few questions. After ruds it was something like "Since your last O/W check, have you committed an overt?" "Since... do you have a withhold?" Just a few questions like that. But since the auditors could still be comm-eved for missing a withhold, they weren't brushed off.

Most of them went pretty smoothly. Sometimes someone would get bogged and would still be trying to flatten the weekly check from three weeks ago and not able to move on to the current one.

The main effect I noticed was that in life one would be careful not to do things that would come up in the next O/W check that you KNEW would happen at the end of the week. It is one thing to wonder whether or not you should do _____, knowing you would get in trouble for it when it got found out, if it might be years before it got found out. It is quite another to know that it would get found out in two days and four hours from now. It is not that this made me a whole lot more ethical as the things that read would not necessarily matter at all in the real world, but I did notice that change in my behaviour.

Years later when working at a Scn company outside the SO, someone told me that they were careful in their behaviour not to do things that would read on their next Solo NOTs 6-month check. Note they had to pay cash (at NOTs rates) to get off the O/Ws, whereas for me it was free of charge.

Paul

An interesting story. What is your opinion of it?

 

[Dulloldfart]

An interesting story. What is your opinion of it?

I've had a fair amount of sec-checking, probably about 125 hours or so. Most of it was OK. Remember I was the Sec Checker School sup, and also did the course and a month or so on the internship, so I was very familiar with the tech and what was supposed to be going on in session. So I knew what WAS a valid withhold and if it was what came up in response to the question I could get it accepted by the auditor who didn't think it was valid.

I admit it is a poor auditor who won't accept a pc's answer to the question, but the penalty for missing a withhold is a draconian comm-ev and retrain, so they tended to be overzealous and thought you must have something juicy you're sitting on and the trivial thing you just said was an attempt to not reveal the real crimes.

And I did feel clean! No withholds about anything at all, whether disreputable or not.

So the win/protest ratio was weighted more on the side of wins than of protest, for me personally at any rate. I know this ratio was not the same for everyone.

As an auditing technology, it can be very useful (useful in terms of relief and case gain TO THE PC). As a control mechanism, it can be useful for that too, and it has been subject to so much abuse that the value in getting off O/Ws tends to be overshadowed by the horror stories. Especially from nattery people with missed withholds.

Paul

 

[nexus100]

I've had a fair amount of sec-checking, probably about 125 hours or so. Most of it was OK. Remember I was the Sec Checker School sup, and also did the course and a month or so on the internship, so I was very familiar with the tech and what was supposed to be going on in session. So I knew what WAS a valid withhold and if it was what came up in response to the question I could get it accepted by the auditor who didn't think it was valid.

I admit it is a poor auditor who won't accept a pc's answer to the question, but the penalty for missing a withhold is a draconian comm-ev and retrain, so they tended to be overzealous and thought you must have something juicy you're sitting on and the trivial thing you just said was an attempt to not reveal the real crimes.

And I did feel clean! No withholds about anything at all, whether disreputable or not.

So the win/protest ratio was weighted more on the side of wins than of protest, for me personally at any rate. I know this ratio was not the same for everyone!

As an auditing technology, it can be very useful (useful TO THE PC). As a control mechanism, it can be useful for that too, and it has been subject to so much abuse that the value in getting off O/Ws tends to overshadowed. Especially by nattery people with missed withholds.

Paul

Fair enough. We all sure are different.

 

[Veda]

Great first post.
Welcome to ESMB.


It's completely OUT-Tech, but hey, what do I know? I'm a declared SP!

Introverting others - or encouraging "voluntary" thought-policing - by asking them what they did, and what they withhold (including "thought crime"), has been part of the Scientology operation for a long time. (It's usually presented in the context of "confession is good for the soul," etc., which may sometimes be true, which only adds to the confusion, "Clean hands" etc.).

In different times and locations, this manifests in somewhat different ways.

Every time an abuse is cited in Scientology, someone can be counted on to say, "Out Tech"! or "Off Policy," and, sometimes, something may be genuinely "Out Tech," however, there's TECH, and there's Tech, and there's tech, and there's POLICY, and Policy, and policy, and most of these, essentially, are COVER.

O/W write ups were done long before the RTC came along. And there's usually a metered part of it, as meters are prevalent in Scientology. But "Out Tech" is too often used (sometimes unintentionally, as on this thread), as a thought-stopping cliche, when abuses in Scientology are noted or described.

Hubbard, indirectly, told Scientologists what he was going to eventually do to them, throughout his lectures, and even in his booklet, 'Brain-washing, A Synthesis of the Russian Textbook on Psychopolitics': "assert and maintain dominion over thoughts and loyalties... through mental healing."

And he did just that, and set up a machine-like alter ego to keep doing it; and, if the current Cult regime has dropped the ball, it's in attempting to "assert and maintain dominion over thoughts and loyalties" without a sufficiently thick and robust - and believable - "mental healing" facade.

The irony is that Scientlogy, as a (Hubbard's term) Psychopolitical operation, needs at least some competent well-intentioned people, people actually doing good things, in the tightly maintained compartments of its mental-healing layer. And without that, the Hubbard alter-ego Cult-machine doesn't run smoothly and effectively. The problem is, the same good people that Scientology needs - as a source of vitality - are the same people who often, eventually, cause problems for Scientology, or - because they're "too smart" - end up being viewed with suspicion. So, it's a balancing act.

 

[Rene Descartes]

The main effect I noticed was that in life one would be careful not to do things that would come up in the next O/W check that you KNEW would happen at the end of the week.
Paul

So in other words it made one walk around being very very careful.

Does not sound optimum.

Rd00

 

[Alan]

O/W write ups and O/W processing can be quite deadly.

When a being observes and is willing to be responsible for their specific O/W or chain of O/Ws - their automaticities erase........they cease to create that particular O/W dramatization.

Often they cease to create any O/W's of any kind.

This is a big Ascension Experience - A major ability regained state.

Should you be fail to acknowledge that point - you will go into a compulsive create and a feeling of out of control - so much so you will no longer be able to recognise the good acts you have done.

Most beings do 1,000's of good acts to every one bad act.

Once the compulsive O/W create turns on you will feel like the greatest criminal on planet earth - you then start inventing PT and whole track overts that are bizarre.

A simple way to rehab this state is to write down every criminal act you have done - then check are you still doing them........the odds are you will not find one major criminal act.

Maybe a few stole money, or things as a kid, a few speeding tickets, etc.

It also helps if you write out the good acts you do and have done.

I did this in 1977 - it was amazing how much false O/W I blew.

Alan

 

[Tanstaafl]

-snip-

It also helps if you write out the good acts you do and have done.

I did this in 1977 - it was amazing how much false O/W I blew.
-snip-

Bloody good point!

Hubbard wrote about the importance of not focussing on the wrongnesses of the PC and validating rightnesses. It's suspicious that this principle was not transferred to ethics.