question to HH, trouble, Paul, roger, entheta, PTS, emma, alanzo, blue, face, lurker, sheila, lotus, pineapple, leland, karen, jeff, bill, paul, churchill, mike rinder, marty, everybody and anybody who posts here.This is a ex scientology message board.
Have any of you people that regularly post here, ever run an engram?
As a PC, did you ever get to, so-called, basic-basic engram?An engram? Just one? As a pc or as an auditor? I have done both. Many times. Any particular reason you're asking? Mimsey
Good question. I've wondered about that myself. If you mean an engram the way Hubbard defines it in DMSMH, as an incident containing pain and unconsciousness, complete with all perceptics, that I know actually happened, then the answer (surprising to me) is NO.This is a ex scientology message board.
Have any of you people that regularly post here, ever run an engram?
Helena, what you're describing sounds like a traumatic incident, for sure, but is that really an engram as defined by scn? Did it contain pain and unconsciousness? I think scn would describe that as a secondary, and secondaries supposedly derive their force from earlier engrams, right?I've run engrams; lots of them.
One in particular was when my XBF dumped me. He left me in shock and with a permanently broken heart. Dianetics helped but I'm still not over him.
I think Dianetics is not emphasized enough in comparison with "Scientology auditing". And no, it's not just for the body.
Helena
quite similar to me, only I was much later than you, namely having read diantics in 1987 because of the Jefferson Hawkins marketing campaign back then.My first entry into the world of scientology was to sign up for 50 hours of book 1 Dianetics auditing.
After a few hours of nothing happening I was told I wasn't confronting my bank so I needed to do the Communication Course to learn how to confront. I did the course and went back to the auditing.
After a few more hours of nothing happening I was told I had a bad memory so I needed to do the Purification Rundown, even though I'd never taken any illegal drugs. So I did the Purif, was forced to attest to it even though I got nothing out of it, then went back to the auditing.
When I'd completed my 50 hours with no results at all I was told that I needed scientology auditing on the e-meter. But my org didn't have any scientology auditors so I was sent to Saint Hill. After more useless auditing at Saint Hill I eventually got an auditor who somehow managed to give me a win. And that was enough to keep me interested. Yes I was that gullible.
So, no I've never run an actual engram despite having had book 1 and NED auditing.
yep, good questions, those phrases during unconsciousness ( engrams) were supposed to be hypnotic commands.Yes interested to know if anyone had a phrase that came up during some unconscious moment that has made them do bla bla for their whole life and now they are free of it. Ive never heard anyone do that and i did not run anything that has phrases in it.
Also would like to know if the clear cog is you realise you have pictures you dont need to keep bringing up or you simply made up all those pictures in the past or you have run thru all the pictures and there is nothing left to run on the 1st d so therefore you go past a point and start making stuff up and voila you are therefore clear as everything from thereon is made up....
Since I no longer think "engrams" exist, nor any other of Hubbard's imaginary beasts, apparently I never ran an engram.This is a ex scientology message board.
Have any of you people that regularly post here, ever run an engram?
I suspect Hubbard put together his engram idea from the work of 2 psychologists writing in the 1940's, G. H. Estabrooks and Andrew Salter.yep, good questions, those phrases during unconsciousness ( engrams) were supposed to be hypnotic commands.
Same exact situation here!Good question. I've wondered about that myself. If you mean an engram the way Hubbard defines it in DMSMH, as an incident containing pain and unconsciousness, complete with all perceptics, that I know actually happened, then the answer (surprising to me) is NO.
If you take out the "that I know actually happened" part, then yes, I did. I ran mostly "whole track" stuff which I now believe was fantasy. This was what the people I audited mostly ran, too.
I can't say that I actually ever ran a real engram, i.e. one that I know really happened.
Did Hubbard "get Volney to invent the e-meter"?My 2 cents opinion (aside from Hubbard having narcissistic personality disorder):
I suspect Hubbard put together his engram idea from his early adult years in experimenting with hypnosis.
Using hypnosis is not consistent with everyone SO he got Volney to invent the e-meter.
The e-meter measures changes in skin resistance caused by reactions in various parts of the brain (not prefrontal cortex).
Using an e-meter gets the PC to make up stuff (sometimes correct and sometimes ridiculous) as the prefrontal cortex reacts to other parts of the brain.
No hypnotic trance induction techniques are used.
As this goes on, the brain eventually produces endorphins for stress relief (resulting in cog, VGIs, F/N).
Unpleasant memories exist But engrams don't actually exist.
So you're still not over him then HH? Well, either you never got to the basic on the chain or Dianetics doesn't work as advertised. What's it to be then?I've run engrams; lots of them.
One in particular was when my XBF dumped me. He left me in shock and with a permanently broken heart. Dianetics helped but I'm still not over him.
I think Dianetics is not emphasized enough in comparison with "Scientology auditing". And no, it's not just for the body.
Helena
You were only 3 years later than me. I had read dianetics from the same marketing campaign in 1984.quite similar to me, only I was much later than you, namely having read diantics in 1987 because of the Jefferson Hawkins marketing campaign back then.