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Has Scio expanded?

pomfritz

Patron with Honors
I spent a little time in the CLO WUS... (what's the room called that tracks all the orgs in the region?, this stuff is fading from memory)

Anyways, each org has it's section on the wall with stats, copies of recent org mags, flaps to be handled. The orgs also were represented with a colored pin on a map to represent it's status. Green is good, red is not. It didn't take a brain surgeon to know green pins were not on the FP for some time and not likely well into the future.

The bottom half of each orgs section was filled with red sheets (there's that darn color again), each describing a present time flap that required attention.

This was an eye opener to a newbie who had been told all the wonderful stories of expansion. Not a single org was doing well and from the looks of it they were doing very poorly.

BTW, something else was in that room that I found interesting. KR's, ethics reports and other comm between the org and management were electronically tracked down to the people involved. So you could enter a persons name and date range and up would display all the reports where this person was mentioned. I guess I'm not surprised given their penchant for witch hunts that significant money and time would be spent on such a system to the detriment of such items like staff welfare for food & medical costs.

This is true.
 

Alan

Gold Meritorious Patron
Wow! pomfritz, computerized witch hunts and SP declares - Scio is again the leaders in their field! :duh:
 

Reasonable Lady

Patron with Honors
Jesus, you do not understand the depth of our dumbness, I had to look up "dr/tl" (didn't read, too long). If you you don't do initials without defining them (a md5) I won't do Scn initials (ARC) without defining them (affinity, reality and communication which leads to understanding). Deal? Please?

RL
 

Jesus666

Patron
Jesus, you do not understand the depth of our dumbness, I had to look up "dr/tl" (didn't read, too long). If you you don't do initials without defining them (a md5) I won't do Scn initials (ARC) without defining them (affinity, reality and communication which leads to understanding). Deal? Please?

RL

lol well its just a silly message on my sig =p
chillax
 

petraph33

Patron with Honors
I spent a little time in the CLO WUS... (what's the room called that tracks all the orgs in the region?, this stuff is fading from memory)

Anyways, each org has it's section on the wall with stats, copies of recent org mags, flaps to be handled. The orgs also were represented with a colored pin on a map to represent it's status. Green is good, red is not. It didn't take a brain surgeon to know green pins were not on the FP for some time and not likely well into the future.

The bottom half of each orgs section was filled with red sheets (there's that darn color again), each describing a present time flap that required attention.

This was an eye opener to a newbie who had been told all the wonderful stories of expansion. Not a single org was doing well and from the looks of it they were doing very poorly.

BTW, something else was in that room that I found interesting. KR's, ethics reports and other comm between the org and management were electronically tracked down to the people involved. So you could enter a persons name and date range and up would display all the reports where this person was mentioned. I guess I'm not surprised given their penchant for witch hunts that significant money and time would be spent on such a system to the detriment of such items like staff welfare for food & medical costs.

This is true.

Hi there, This is the Data Bureaux you are referring to. It has a file for each org for each months of all the data being received by the org. Usually the Flag Rep (Management Rep) sends those reports to Flag and Continental management. These reports and compliance to programs and all that, are scanned into the computers on arrival and are available for all management staff to see. The board you are referring to is called CIC = control information centre and is used by management staff to see the state of orgs that need handling. At Flag management in Los Angeles, you had to read up on this CIC board every week as well as study the data files of the orgs you are handling or you would not get paid. this CIC board has the Paid completions, Gross Income and Value of Services delivered stats for each org on a graph, it also used to have the Saint Hill Size checklist or the RTC Minumum/General standards checklist visibly marked with the compliance rate. The colored papers were tags. Like a program, or a PC folder that gets red tagged, orgs got tagged green, yellow and red. All programs executed in those orgs also had those tags and a red-tagged program had to be debugged within 24 hours. Missions got sent out to orgs with emergencies and there is even a single or double hatted emergency officer on post that alerts and gets handled those red tag situations in orgs by getting missions fired or programsd debugged or other handlings coordinated and sent out and done in the orgs. It's a complete military operation if you look at it. :ohmy: :melodramatic:
 

Colleen K. Peltomaa

Silver Meritorious Patron
Another aspect of this Ideal Org push is that it merely requires $$$$ and a very few public are shouldering the massive fund requirements to buy these multi-million dollar properties. Thus DM drains the "elite" to get the job done. The pressure to raise the funds for the local org's building was extremely intense. People took 2nd mortgages on their homes to donate to buying the building!

The IAS has also funded a numer of these Ideal Org buildings - this again is by the donations of wealthy public.

Of note: The IAS bought a 60,000 sq ft. building for the D.C. Org. This was 2.5 years ago. Renovations of the building have yet to begin. D.C. already has a totally renovated building, it was one of the 1st, pre-dating "Ideal Orgs". Obviously they have no need of the space and quite likely haven't got the funds to do the renovations.

Buffalo - one of the more recently announced "Ideal Orgs" has a nice building. However I think it is quite empty of public on service. I'm sure this drives DM to shooting up stop signs at Gilman with his Ouzzie.

WE 6-25-07 News, Wins and Stats from the OT Committee

Stats Summary: This week, we had 32 members reporting that they were active on OT Committee Projects and Activities. These included: Clyde Andrews, Chuck Arndt, Ron & Sally Baker, Peter Bedrin, Pam Blehert, Lorri Cramer, David Graham, Judy and Mike Hancock, Art Harmon, Michelle Hyde, Greg Layton, Jann Magerowski, Cynthia McIver, Lynne Oakes, Mary Jo Palmer, Matt Robinson, Reginia Rogers, David Tidman, Vici Turrisi, Glenn & Yuby Wahlquist, Bill & Virginia Watson, Judy Weigand, Gregg West, Jim Williamson, Kathy Wiltsey, Brent Wisner, and Neil and Bobbi Woods. Bill Muldoon volunteered time on the CF project. In addition to 100 volunteer hours on OT Committee assigned projects and activities, there were 21 hours on OTC hats (members working on their posts) and 32 hours on other sector activities. Members who did not participate in OTC Projects but were active in other sector activities included: Holly Martin and Brett Wallace. 7 books were sold to raw public. (only 7 books?) Gregg West continues on the Grad V course and Brent Wisner is on the Class V internship. Brent has also started the VM Course. Kathy Wiltsey is working on the OTVIIA course. Dave Graham is on PTS/SP.

News and Wins for WE 6-25-07:

Kathy Wiltsey is at Flag and on OT V. And she has started OT 6a – a big jump towards getting on OT VII!

Virginia Watson reports: I worked on the website for the Dianetics Group for 6 hours. I spoke with a selectee about her progress on her ethics program for 45 minutes. She will be writing us a success story on her wins as they have been quite spectacular. I will forward them on as I won't get them until Saturday. Bill spent 1 hour working on the art group and he spent 1 hour auditing assists with an employee. During the last assist, he gave a touch assist and then a nerve assist, the sharp pain in the pc's back blew completely. The pc was VGIs! It was a very dramatic win. We also both took our test for VM certification and are waiting to hear on those results. These assists can be very effective.

Bill and Virginia Watson passed their Volunteer Minister test and are now fully certified VMs.

Greg Layton reports that Lucas Layton is on Grade I and Pro metering course at ITD, and Tara Layton is on SOLO II at St. Hill.

Karen Berg has started SOLO II auditing. Karen is a very able being and did start up a mission of sorts.

Jann Magerowski shares the following wins: I had 2 Pc's, (neither related nor known to each other), who were complaining of chest pains and had seen their Dr's who could not find anything wrong. One was handled by PTS tech and the other by going wholetrack in her auditing & completing the Dianetics chain we were working on. Both walked out with no more chest pain and very happy. Both want to do services at the org, (Philly), as well.

Reginia Rogers reports: Chesapeake A school in Northern Virginia. had a very nice graduation on Saturday, 23 June 2007. Although the graduate was not a Scientologist, the graduation was held at the LRH House; in December Chesapeake had done a "Gratitude" event at the LRH House for parents of Chesapeake and this graduate's mother had been so impressed that I thought that we should have her son's graduation there. His family is originally from Africa -- at this writing I do not recall which country. But there were about 10 tours given for people who had not ever been there before. And, the speaker, also not a Scientologist but someone who I had taken to the House for a tour and who is "impressed" by LRH, gave great kudos to LRH during his speech. The topic of the speech was "Leadership" and in his speech, he referred to LRH as a great leader. I had certainly not asked him to do that; that was his own origination. It was WONDERFUL!

Clyde Andrews reports: I spoke to the Black America Round Table Conference this past weekend at the New York Org. A total of seven were persuaded to join staff. The featured speaker was Mr. Al Baker, CO International Training Org.

William Stanley (formerly in DC field) reports: I have been on board since '79 and never have I seen the staff - all the way to the top - so pumped or excited about an event. [He’s speakingabout the upcoming MV events. – ed.] This will be Truly Epic as described - And the walls come a tumblin' down! Make it a big one in DC - How about 2000? Mare & I shall be at Twin-Cities the top of the River. Their new Ideal org is Spectacular! Come on DC!

Colleen Peltomaa (formerly in DC field) donated a lot of RON DVDs to be distributed to local Embassies. Great work, Colleen! The DC area is kind of unique in that we have the comm lines to influence not only the states of the US but foreign countries as well. SUCKER!!!

Postulates Guild I/C Weekly Stat Report from I/C Mary Jo Palmer

POSTULATES GUILD NAME:Washington DC
WEEK ENDING DATE:6/25/2007
DRILL DONE THIS WEEK:#9 Postulating the Opposite

9 # Success Stories written
10 # Members attending the Postulates Guild
3 # Members who flowed $ to the Bridge this week
$340 Total $ amount members flowed to the Bridge
2 # Members who attended course this week
1# Members who went in session this week
4# Major postulates manifested this week
8 # Members Contributions to the Ideal Org

Actions done:

David Graham helped at the VM tent for 5 hours and on CF .
Irene Guntensperger helped remodel an office at the Org.
Cynthia McIver helped on CF for 2 hours, with Criminon for 2 hours and with CCHR for 1.5 hours.
Mary Jo Palmer spent 5 hours on the Postulate Guild.
Jim Taylor helped with the VM tent for 1.5 hours.
Roz Taylor helped in the DIV 6 Course room for 4.5 hours and at Chesapeake Academy for 2 hours.

Outstanding Success Stories:

This was very fun. I think I’ve gotten some new concepts-like just a better understanding of “concept”. It’s a powerful thing indeed! CM

I realized how I stop myself from changing my postulates by considering that I should not change my mind about things. Now that I’ve realized this, I am not the effect of it. RR

I got more in present time and my perception increased! RT

Stats Chart

I have included all those reporting this time rather than just those with something to report. I wanted you to see that we’re getting a higher number reporting (47 reporting) and that’s GOOD. I encourage you to report, even when you don’t have anything to report. It grooves you in to weekly report schedule and lets us know that you’re there and you want to be included. We appreciate that. If you report and can list no stats, don’t worry. The Ogre will not suddenly appear from the cave and carry you off to be eaten. (Grimm’s wonderful fairy tales – what WERE parents trying to do with those?)

Here is the Stats chart

Stats for WE 6-25-07




This, sadly, would all be very wonderful and I would be the first person to join in and contribute, EXCEPT, except for the knowledge of the true intentions of the top leadership of the CofS. These orgs might actually prosper if the S.O. and other money grabbers stayed away.
 

nw2394

Silver Meritorious Patron
Hi there, This is the Data Bureaux you are referring to. It has a file for each...

Yeah. That's right. The actual things that go on in "Data" are actually, for the most part. quite sane things to do. The only trouble I have with some of it, at least in the UK, was that there were too many managers in relation to indians. They had a bunch of some of the best staff at FOLO and at the top level in orgs managing a microcosm of body routers and the odd auditor.

It is like Terril has posted elsewhere - the main problem with the OEC/FEBC (and the FOs that the SO operate on) is that there is bugger all differentiation of importances. There is just a mass of policy and most staff, often being quite young and/or inexperienced in managing things have no idea what to do first. Uplines rants that the FR and LC and god knows what other networks have to be manned - and mean while you end up with no basic courses sup - madness.

Nick
 

Alan

Gold Meritorious Patron
Yeah. That's right. The actual things that go on in "Data" are actually, for the most part. quite sane things to do. The only trouble I have with some of it, at least in the UK, was that there were too many managers in relation to indians. They had a bunch of some of the best staff at FOLO and at the top level in orgs managing a microcosm of body routers and the odd auditor.

It is like Terril has posted elsewhere - the main problem with the OEC/FEBC (and the FOs that the SO operate on) is that there is bugger all differentiation of importances. There is just a mass of policy and most staff, often being quite young and/or inexperienced in managing things have no idea what to do first. Uplines rants that the FR and LC and god knows what other networks have to be manned - and mean while you end up with no basic courses sup - madness.

Nick

The worst example I ever witnessed of that was the St. Louis Org in 1975 - it had 163 admin staff and 1 auditor - who also doubled as the Course Sup. Barry Klien was the ED.

Utter madness! :grouch:

But, when you consider the FOLOs and the CMO and the (gawd! knows who above them) each managing those below - and later on they even built more layers of management - the Tech to admin ratio - would have been around 5,000 admin to 1 tech.:omg:

What a tragic joke! :bigcry: :bigcry: :bigcry:

Alan
 

Div6

Crusader
WE 6-25-07 News, Wins and Stats from the OT Committee

Stats Summary: This week, we had 32 members reporting that they were active on OT Committee Projects and Activities. These included: Clyde Andrews, Chuck Arndt, Ron & Sally Baker, Peter Bedrin, Pam Blehert, Lorri Cramer, David Graham, Judy and Mike Hancock, Art Harmon, Michelle Hyde, Greg Layton, Jann Magerowski, Cynthia McIver, Lynne Oakes, Mary Jo Palmer, Matt Robinson, Reginia Rogers, David Tidman, Vici Turrisi, Glenn & Yuby Wahlquist, Bill & Virginia Watson, Judy Weigand, Gregg West, Jim Williamson, Kathy Wiltsey, Brent Wisner, and Neil and Bobbi Woods. Bill Muldoon volunteered time on the CF project. In addition to 100 volunteer hours on OT Committee assigned projects and activities, there were 21 hours on OTC hats (members working on their posts) and 32 hours on other sector activities. Members who did not participate in OTC Projects but were active in other sector activities included: Holly Martin and Brett Wallace. 7 books were sold to raw public. (only 7 books?) Gregg West continues on the Grad V course and Brent Wisner is on the Class V internship. Brent has also started the VM Course. Kathy Wiltsey is working on the OTVIIA course. Dave Graham is on PTS/SP.

News and Wins for WE 6-25-07:

Kathy Wiltsey is at Flag and on OT V. And she has started OT 6a – a big jump towards getting on OT VII!

Virginia Watson reports: I worked on the website for the Dianetics Group for 6 hours. I spoke with a selectee about her progress on her ethics program for 45 minutes. She will be writing us a success story on her wins as they have been quite spectacular. I will forward them on as I won't get them until Saturday. Bill spent 1 hour working on the art group and he spent 1 hour auditing assists with an employee. During the last assist, he gave a touch assist and then a nerve assist, the sharp pain in the pc's back blew completely. The pc was VGIs! It was a very dramatic win. We also both took our test for VM certification and are waiting to hear on those results. These assists can be very effective.

Bill and Virginia Watson passed their Volunteer Minister test and are now fully certified VMs.

Greg Layton reports that Lucas Layton is on Grade I and Pro metering course at ITD, and Tara Layton is on SOLO II at St. Hill.

Karen Berg has started SOLO II auditing. Karen is a very able being and did start up a mission of sorts.

Jann Magerowski shares the following wins: I had 2 Pc's, (neither related nor known to each other), who were complaining of chest pains and had seen their Dr's who could not find anything wrong. One was handled by PTS tech and the other by going wholetrack in her auditing & completing the Dianetics chain we were working on. Both walked out with no more chest pain and very happy. Both want to do services at the org, (Philly), as well.

Reginia Rogers reports: Chesapeake A school in Northern Virginia. had a very nice graduation on Saturday, 23 June 2007. Although the graduate was not a Scientologist, the graduation was held at the LRH House; in December Chesapeake had done a "Gratitude" event at the LRH House for parents of Chesapeake and this graduate's mother had been so impressed that I thought that we should have her son's graduation there. His family is originally from Africa -- at this writing I do not recall which country. But there were about 10 tours given for people who had not ever been there before. And, the speaker, also not a Scientologist but someone who I had taken to the House for a tour and who is "impressed" by LRH, gave great kudos to LRH during his speech. The topic of the speech was "Leadership" and in his speech, he referred to LRH as a great leader. I had certainly not asked him to do that; that was his own origination. It was WONDERFUL!

Clyde Andrews reports: I spoke to the Black America Round Table Conference this past weekend at the New York Org. A total of seven were persuaded to join staff. The featured speaker was Mr. Al Baker, CO International Training Org.

William Stanley (formerly in DC field) reports: I have been on board since '79 and never have I seen the staff - all the way to the top - so pumped or excited about an event. [He’s speakingabout the upcoming MV events. – ed.] This will be Truly Epic as described - And the walls come a tumblin' down! Make it a big one in DC - How about 2000? Mare & I shall be at Twin-Cities the top of the River. Their new Ideal org is Spectacular! Come on DC!

Colleen Peltomaa (formerly in DC field) donated a lot of RON DVDs to be distributed to local Embassies. Great work, Colleen! The DC area is kind of unique in that we have the comm lines to influence not only the states of the US but foreign countries as well. SUCKER!!!

Postulates Guild I/C Weekly Stat Report from I/C Mary Jo Palmer

POSTULATES GUILD NAME:Washington DC
WEEK ENDING DATE:6/25/2007
DRILL DONE THIS WEEK:#9 Postulating the Opposite

9 # Success Stories written
10 # Members attending the Postulates Guild
3 # Members who flowed $ to the Bridge this week
$340 Total $ amount members flowed to the Bridge
2 # Members who attended course this week
1# Members who went in session this week
4# Major postulates manifested this week
8 # Members Contributions to the Ideal Org

Actions done:

David Graham helped at the VM tent for 5 hours and on CF .
Irene Guntensperger helped remodel an office at the Org.
Cynthia McIver helped on CF for 2 hours, with Criminon for 2 hours and with CCHR for 1.5 hours.
Mary Jo Palmer spent 5 hours on the Postulate Guild.
Jim Taylor helped with the VM tent for 1.5 hours.
Roz Taylor helped in the DIV 6 Course room for 4.5 hours and at Chesapeake Academy for 2 hours.

Outstanding Success Stories:

This was very fun. I think I’ve gotten some new concepts-like just a better understanding of “concept”. It’s a powerful thing indeed! CM

I realized how I stop myself from changing my postulates by considering that I should not change my mind about things. Now that I’ve realized this, I am not the effect of it. RR

I got more in present time and my perception increased! RT

Stats Chart

I have included all those reporting this time rather than just those with something to report. I wanted you to see that we’re getting a higher number reporting (47 reporting) and that’s GOOD. I encourage you to report, even when you don’t have anything to report. It grooves you in to weekly report schedule and lets us know that you’re there and you want to be included. We appreciate that. If you report and can list no stats, don’t worry. The Ogre will not suddenly appear from the cave and carry you off to be eaten. (Grimm’s wonderful fairy tales – what WERE parents trying to do with those?)

Here is the Stats chart

Stats for WE 6-25-07




This, sadly, would all be very wonderful and I would be the first person to join in and contribute, EXCEPT, except for the knowledge of the true intentions of the top leadership of the CofS. These orgs might actually prosper if the S.O. and other money grabbers stayed away.

Do you have any more of these?

Gregg West was on the Cl V Grad course 10 years ago!!!!
 

Colleen K. Peltomaa

Silver Meritorious Patron
Stats Summary: This week, we had 38 members reporting that they were active on OT Committee Projects and Activities. These included: Chuck Arndt, Ron & Sally Baker, Peter Bedrin, Dean Blehert, Pam Blehert, Don & Lorri Cramer, Judy Cranford, Peter Glaser, David Graham, Roman Gruzdev, Judy Hancock, Art Harmon, Eric Huntington, Mike King, Greg & Jane Layton, Jann Magerowski, Cynthia McIver, Lynne Oakes, Mary Jo Palmer, George Papaheraklis, Matt Robinson, Reginia Rogers, Lisa Sisk, Vici & Tony Turrisi, Glenn & Yuby Wahlquist, Bill & Virginia Watson, Judy Weigand, Gregg West, Jim Williamson, Kathy Wiltsey, and Neil and Bobbi Woods. In addition to 111 volunteer hours on OT Committee assigned projects and activities, there were 8 hours on OTC hats (members working on their posts) and 13 hours on other sector activities. Members who did not participate in OTC Projects but reported being active in other sector activities included: Will Brummer and Michelle Hyde. 8 books were sold to raw public. Karen Berg has finished SOLO II and started her OT Eligibility! The stats chart with specifics following the news.

News and Wins for WE 7-9-07:

Carolyn Shomo reports: “BIG BIG WIN - CHESAPEAKE recently hired Trudy Lamb Hogue for Qual and Maria Moxley for the classroom. We have a friendly hardworking team, and and we want others to join us. We are looking for more supervisors and a Dissem Sec.

We have at least 18 totally new students this summer who are getting word clearing and study tech for the first time. We are watching how it is changing their lives in a very short time period. We expect to have at least a dozen more come later in the summer. We also will have 25 of our past students this summer. My class gets locationals and it is so fantastic to see them come to present time. They look so bright and ready to work.”

Karen Berg is nearing completion of SOLO 2 and will be starting OT 1 as soon as complete!

Mary Jo Palmer reports for the DC Postulate Guild:
Postulates Guild I/C Weekly Stat Report

POSTULATES GUILD NAME: Washington DC

WEEK ENDING DATE: 7/9/2007

DRILL DONE THIS WEEK: Duplicating Automaticities

7 # Success Stories written

7 # Members attending the Postulates Guild

4 # Members who flowed $ to the Bridge this week

$810 Total $ amount members flowed to the Bridge

1 # Members who attended course this week

4# Major postulates manifested this week

5 # Members Contributions to the Ideal Org

Actions done:

David Graham helped with event call in for 2 hours and at the VM tent for 4 hours.

Mary Jo Palmer spent 3 hours on the Postulate Guild.

Reginia Rogers helped at the VM tent for 2 hours.

Outstanding Success Stories:

My biggest win this week was that I can now spot automaticities in myself and I know how to handle them. LD

You know, during a busy week, it is so great to have this group to connect to LRH and drill and clear words.

I see now that all I need to do to handle an automaticity is to duplicate it. MH

I loved looking for my automaticities- now I’m out to find them, make a perfect duplicate, as is them and return to BEING AT CAUSE!


There is a Lisa Sisk mentioned and that happened to be my last name last lifetime. A relative, perhaps?
 

hartley

Patron with Honors
Fascinating stuff this - don't stop!

The stories of the Orgs emptying have been around for a long time. My response was always "yes, but all you guys are seeing is the one across the street". We were only getting occasional glimpses of the whole, such as Mark Plummer's stats from central mailing circa 1994.

A telling factor for me is NO NEW ORGS! The only ones that have opened under DM have been those born of necessity: Budapest, Moscow, St Petersburg. Also NO ORGS CLOSE! Even those that should have been cremated years back, that have at times no auditors at all. This isn't a healthy, confident organisation, it's an internal PR led organisation. It's not the evil psychs that keep DM awake at night, it's his own unhappy followers.

You've caught the start/drop big project cycles. St Hill Orgs>>Ideal Orgs. L Ron Hubbard Library>>Basics. Cookie cutter websites>>Blogs.

One I haven't seen the reasoning behind is the Mission pushes. Russia, Hungary, Italy each had big mission expansions. My impression was that the UK was next, that's certainly what SMI told me they'd been told (!) but nothing. Only years later did a couple open. What went wrong? The next Mission push was eventually Taiwan.
 

Dulloldfart

Squirrel Extraordinaire
The data chief of several decades posted about flat stats since 1980s
on OCMB.

Paul probably remembers her name.

I just remember she had good legs so she said.

Clearly I have taken on a new perspective on stats.:)

Ann Marie Woodward/Cuevas/Grant

annolian2005.jpg


Paul
 

lrnobs

Patron with Honors
DM has continuously boasted how the Orgs and Missions under his leadership have been expanding over the years.

Is this just PR or is it true?

It would be great if we had a true estimate of the present time or near PT actual size of the locals Orgs and Missions.

Name of Org or Mission?

How many full time staff members? (approx.)

How many part time staff members?

How many students on major courses?

How many students on minor courses?

Alan

I think this makes me guilty of cross posting but it is applicable here too:

http://www.scientologytoday.org/arou...orld/index.htm

I count 92 orgs including the AOs and Saint Hills

331 missions and I believe a mission can be a meeting place in someones house.

But then on this page:
http://www.scientologytoday.org/index.htm
they cannot seem to decide if they have:
4,500 churches, missions and groups
or
more than 6,000 Scientology churches, missions and groups

All this time I thought they were lying, but maybe, just maybe, they really just suck at math. :sadsigh:
 

ExScnDude

Patron with Honors
The worst example I ever witnessed of that was the St. Louis Org in 1975 - it had 163 admin staff and 1 auditor - who also doubled as the Course Sup. Barry Klien was the ED.

Utter madness! :grouch:

But, when you consider the FOLOs and the CMO and the (gawd! knows who above them) each managing those below - and later on they even built more layers of management - the Tech to admin ratio - would have been around 5,000 admin to 1 tech.:omg:

What a tragic joke! :bigcry: :bigcry: :bigcry:

Alan

Alan, if memory serves me right, I believe you are referring to the June Lake / John Goth era around 1973.

In 1975 there were 3 or 4 sups, a couple auditors, a couple of C/Ses, and maybe about seven or eight people in Qual - Mike Smith was the Qual Sec - the academy was really full.

That's my memory as dim as it is. :duh:

There were easily 100 admin staff though - tech - admin ratio being way out of kilter.
 
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