He who knows does not speak . . . .

Gadfly

Crusader
and

He who speaks does not know.

- Lao Tze

Considering the horrendously HUGE volume of Hubbard's "output" (words, books, lectures, claims, noisy assertions, etc.), I suspect that Lao Tze hit the nail right on the head.

The older (and wiser) I get, and the more that I consolidate large amounts of information and experiences relating to Hubbard and his messy creation, Scientology, the more I see him as a pompous, loud, and obnoxious buffoon. He was the furthest thing from a "master". But, he worked VERY hard (tirelessly and dedicatedly) to be VIEWED as a "master". That involves two very different things.

I like how the band Kansas touched on this subject:

Portrait (He Knew)

He had a thousand ideas, you might have heard his name
He lived alone with his vision
Not looking for fortune or fame
Never said too much to speak of
He was off on another plane
The words that he said were a mystery
Nobody's sure he was sane

But he knew, he knew more than me or you
No one could see his view, Oh where was he going to

He was in search of an answer
The nature of what we are
He was trying to do it a new way
He was bright as a star
But nobody understood him
"His numbers are not the way"
He's lost in the deepest enigma
Which no one's unraveled today

But he knew, he knew more than me or you
No one could see his view, Oh where was he going to
And he tried, but before he could tell us he died
When he left us the people cried,
Oh where was he going to?

He had a different idea
A glimpse of the master plan
He could see into the future
A true visionary man
But there's something he never told us
It died when he went away
If only he could have been with us
No telling what he might say

But he knew, he knew more than me or you
No one could see his view
Oh, where was he going to
But he knew, you could tell by the picture he drew
It was totally something new,
Oh where was he going to?


To me, this is the opposite of haughty Hubbard, who wanted everyone to think and see him as one who "knew, he knew more than me or you". In fact, since the beginning of Dianetics and Scientology, Hubbard set the Scientology organization in motion to push the idea and create the illusion that this was true - that Hubbard KNEW more than you or me. Hubbard set it up like so many other tricksters - search for the truth in another person, in some guru, in some dogma, or in some holy book, when it seems, the little quiet "truth" is that "the kingdom of Heaven is within" (general spiritual metaphor), or as the ancient Greeks said, "know thyself".

[video=youtube;eIHXhFJ4FoM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIHXhFJ4FoM[/video]
 

l whip

Patron
Oh this man he had a plan
And said it was for me and you
Now my money has gone
I risked my all and put it on
I found his stories were untrue!
 

lotus

stubborn rebel sheep!
and

He who speaks does not know.

- Lao Tze

snip

the more I see him as a pompous, loud, and obnoxious buffoon

You nailed it!

It's why it's so laughable and is such an inspiration for the Hoaxology guru here!
:biggrin:
 
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sallydannce

Gold Meritorious Patron
So, let me get this sorted in my head once and for all...

The words "Hubbard", and "humble" and variants of "exuding humility" in the same sentences are just never going to work are they?

I have known some very wise people. Truly loving and inspiring people. I consider I have been privileged to be in the company of true masters. Every one of them was of quiet disposition. Their humility, their gentle presence, their quiet highly connecting conversation lingers. Highly educated in various areas, well traveled, often one has no idea they in the room until they engage with you.

True power, true wisdom, is soft and gentle, though it can roar, fiercely, if required. The loud, the boisterous, though fun at a party, are of little use when the coal-face of life erupts. I have seen this over and over - chaos hits and the boisterous fall apart or screw things up and increase the suffering for all. They are too self-involved to calmly perceive anything more than the self-congratulatory impact they can have in a situation.

The obnoxious Hubbard does not even come close to the wonderfully non-fame seeking masters I have sat in the presence of. Hubbard is a giggle.
 

sallydannce

Gold Meritorious Patron

lol. Read my mind. I was going to post this song in my above posting, but got distracted when the cat jumped on the sofa beside me, demanding to have his "turn" on the keyboard. Currently in discussion with him (the cat) about my perceived superiority cos I've got the opposing thumbs but he is not showing much interest. I love the way he doesn't give a damn about boring details and just does whatever he pleases. :eyeroll:

Great song! Thank you! :)
 

Balthasar

Patron Meritorious
and

He who speaks does not know.

- Lao Tze

Considering the horrendously HUGE volume of Hubbard's "output" (words, books, lectures, claims, noisy assertions, etc.), I suspect that Lao Tze hit the nail right on the head.

The older (and wiser) I get, and the more that I consolidate large amounts of information and experiences relating to Hubbard and his messy creation, Scientology, the more I see him as a pompous, loud, and obnoxious buffoon. He was the furthest thing from a "master". But, he worked VERY hard (tirelessly and dedicatedly) to be VIEWED as a "master". That involves two very different things.

---snipped---

To be fair, Hubbard didn't create this messy Scientology as we experience it now.

Scientology used to be fun when I was there. Going to the Org meant meeting friends and going out together after course. I don't think there is something inherently wrong with Scientology itself. Hubbard contradicted himself often enough which is a good thing. At least there is enough leeway for how Scientology can evolve over time.

Hubbard was a visionary and inspired people to give their best (or their worst if you look at Scientology now). Visions don't always turn out to be true. Some good things happened to people because of Hubbard and Scientology. Some bad things happened also because of it.

Take the good things with you, and take the bad ones as necessary tests to overcome on your way to the next level of play :)
 

AnonKat

Crusader
The onley good in Scientology were the people, you just prooved it

shared expierience

Alsoo fixed it for you ;)

To be fair, Hubbard didn't create this messy Scientology as we experience it now.

Scientology used to be fun when I was there. Going to the Org meant meeting friends and going out together after course. I don't think there is something inherently wrong with Scientology itself. Hubbard contradicted himself often enough which is a good thing. At least there is enough leeway for how Scientology can evolve over time.

Hubbard was a visionary and inspired people to give all their money to him (or their worst if you look at Scientology now). Visions don't always turn out to be true. Some good things happened to people because of Hubbard and Scientology. Some bad things happened also because of it.

Take the good things with you, and take the bad ones as necessary tests to overcome on your way to the next level of play :)
 

Rmack

Van Allen Belt Sunbather
To be fair, Hubbard didn't create this messy Scientology as we experience it now.

Scientology used to be fun when I was there. Going to the Org meant meeting friends and going out together after course. I don't think there is something inherently wrong with Scientology itself. Hubbard contradicted himself often enough which is a good thing. At least there is enough leeway for how Scientology can evolve over time.

Hubbard was a visionary and inspired people to give their best (or their worst if you look at Scientology now). Visions don't always turn out to be true. Some good things happened to people because of Hubbard and Scientology. Some bad things happened also because of it.

Take the good things with you, and take the bad ones as necessary tests to overcome on your way to the next level of play :)
.........
 

l whip

Patron
Let me reply to the affirmation of Scientology being good in vulgar English - Scientology is and always has been a load of bollocks
 

Gadfly

Crusader
To be fair, Hubbard didn't create this messy Scientology as we experience it now.

Scientology used to be fun when I was there. Going to the Org meant meeting friends and going out together after course. I don't think there is something inherently wrong with Scientology itself. Hubbard contradicted himself often enough which is a good thing. At least there is enough leeway for how Scientology can evolve over time.

Hubbard was a visionary and inspired people to give their best (or their worst if you look at Scientology now). Visions don't always turn out to be true. Some good things happened to people because of Hubbard and Scientology. Some bad things happened also because of it.

Take the good things with you, and take the bad ones as necessary tests to overcome on your way to the next level of play :)

I disagree.

The ONLY reason some of you/us recall the "good 'ole days" with fond associations is because Hubbard had not yet consolidated the CONTROL of the Scientology organizational groups (missions, orgs, etc.). But, he was ALWAYS working in THAT direction. It was sometimes "fun" pre-1982 (Mission Holders conference, mass declares and WDC missions), because orgs, and more so the MISSIONS, could and did PICK & CHOOSE what to follow and WHAT NOT TO FOLLOW.

Hubbard has always been fond of CONTROL. The word appears all throughout the subject materials of Scientology. Look at check sheets and routing forms. Hubbard created and designed them both. There is absolute control of each "particle" (human being) at every step of the way, whether it be where to send a new walk-in, where and how to "crush reg" a "winning PC", how to manipulate with the ruin-finding drill, the strict enforcement of mandatory "success stories" and "attestations" of absurd states (where it is per policy Treason assignment to change your mind later), following orders as the "best solution", INT level org boards, command channels into orgs, "command intention", and on and on.

Hubbard LOVED control and he began the tendency to micro-manage every aspect of Scientology. DM simply took it to the logical conclusion that had already been started by Hubbard. I would say that Hubbard took the idea of the thetan-mind-body analogy to management, to INSANE limits. The "thetan" CONTROLS the body. The thetan CONTROLS all aspects of its environment (Hubbard wrote lots about extending CONTROL out into ones environment).

Control - control - control, manipulate and manage start-change-stop, effect changes at every point in ones environment (the Scientology IDEAL), "total cause" over everything, "management" (of all particles, terminals and people), making the environment conform to YOUR wishes and desires, again, ad nauseum.

The idea of making the world conform to YOUR wishes and desires stems from MAGICK and occult disciplines.

Intention is cause. - L. Ron Hubbard

Cause (and thus control) over everything outside oneself is the Scientology IDEAL (across dynamics 2-8). Nothing is acceptable "as it is". "Acceptance" is not part of the philosophy or practices of Scientology. Mandatory change of everything OUTSIDE SELF is the desirable aim and goal. Of course, in the process most Scientologists omit addressing and developing the ONLOY thing they can actually change - his or herself!
One of the largest illusions or lies is that any of us actually have control over ANYTHING other than our own choices! The notion that all the upper dynamics can be "controlled" is absurd. It is beyond ridiculous, yet it is a fundamental basic idea in Scientology! Let me repeat that:

Control (over anything other than your own mental and physical CHOICES) is an illusion! The ONLY area where you do have control is over your own mind and body. Other than that, well, it is a crap shoot . . chance . . . fate . . . . luck . . . and so forth. THAT is actually "the truth". The idea in Scientology that one can and does "expand up and out into the dynamics" and directly "effects causative intentional changes" with any degree of consistency and control is LUDICROUS. There are always far more variables out there in other people, in life, and in the universe than ANY "thetan" will EVER be able to grasp, much less "control". Some of these ideas from Hubbard are just SO AMAZINGLY STOOOOOPID.

The Admin Scale is basically rooted in CONTROL. Goals, purposes, plans, policy, projects, programs and orders flow from THE TOP DOWN. Always, always, always. In the "good 'ole days", the "command and control lines" (which Hubbard had always been perfecting, fine-tuning and struggling VERY HARD to implement across the planet in his orgs and missions) had yet to be "slammed in". This "golden age" that some of you wax romantic about was a simple transitional "passing moment" that was NEVER to Hubbard's liking.

The great insanity of Scientology is deeply woven into the subject materials themselves. Sure, you can choose to ignore, omit, and alter great amounts of Hubbard's lunacy, but then really, you are NOT "practicing Scientology". You can say, claim, assert and demand that you are, as some have done and some continue to do here on ESMB, but that is total bullshit.

Some of you who call yourselves Scientologists freely toss out SP declares, the nutty lists of suppressive acts, heavy ethics, condition assignments, the RPF, crush regging, hard sell, manipulation of others through ARC trickery (ruin-finding drill), per policy PR, and so forth. That shit, and much more, should all be tossed aside. But what is left is NOTHING Hubbard would have approved of - other than in some of your delusional over-imaginative minds. :ohmy: :nervous: :omg:

The truth is that some or many of you pick and choose abundantly (which is good and necessary considering the great amounts of SHIT in the subject), yet still think with this absurd notion that you "are a Scientologist", and are "practicing TRUE Scientology". :hysterical:

Hubbard did not want any "natural" evolution of Scientology (which you mentioned above). Again, he MANIPULATED every aspect of it, as best that he could, from PR, to regging drills, to how to cave-in a critic, to how to get a "response" from a public Scientologist, to command channels, to Hard Sell, ad nauseum.

:puke2:

When I got in back in 1976, in Boston, and then at NYC (1977), it was easily obvious that what was going on in the big NYC missions was FAR different than the Class IV orgs (that were under Sea Org control). The Missions had far MORE highly trained auditors, the staff got paid FAR MORE, the stats were often far HIGHER than the orgs who they were supposed to be channeling public to, the rules were FAR looser, they had NO STUPID SEA ORG MISSIONAIRES coming into their missions to screw them up, and on and on. They were not yet "under Hubbard's control". Hubbard, through DM and others, was happy to decimate what was a highly successful "expansion of Scientology" to INSTEAD obtain greater long-term CONTROL.

The concept and ideal of "control" runs rampant throughout the subject and practices of Scientology. It is a key reason WHY it is so INSANE! :yes:
 
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oneonewasaracecar

Gold Meritorious Patron
Oh this man he had a plan
And said it was for me and you
Now my money has gone
I risked my all and put it on
I found his stories were untrue!

There once was a writer named Ron,
Who mocked up a wonderful con.
They say he'll be back
To get things back on track,
but that ugly old varmint is gone.
 

DagwoodGum

Squirreling Dervish
I enjoy fortune cookie logic's but the interpretation gets pretty subjective. I have one taped to my monitor that says “Your luck is about to change”, I don’t know if it will change for the worse or better but I like to think it means for the better. “All depends on which way the cookie crumbles", I probably got that out of a Fortune Cookie too, but they’re kind of fun...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULWRoU9DUSo
 

Veda

Sponsor
-snip-

Scientology used to be fun when I was there. Going to the Org meant meeting friends and going out together after course. I don't think there is something inherently wrong with Scientology itself.

-snip-

You have tunnel vision, or are simply stuck in the past when you were a young enthusiastic member of a mind-control cult and, of course, had no idea that you were a member of a mind-control cult.

This is an outline of Scientology from the late 1960s to the mid 1970s.

This was when Hubbard finalized the basic Scientology model which is still used today.

Those few items, after the mid 1970s, are in light grey.


'Brainwashing Manual Parallels in Scientology', a.k.a. 'Revisiting the Textbook on Psycho-politics' http://www.xenu-directory.net/critics/ambry1.html

Contents

Examining the 'Brainwashing Manual' http://warrior.xenu.ca/Brainwashing-front.jpg with the purpose of better understanding Scientology 4

Introduction: A Brief Outline of Scientology Doctrine, Public and Confidential 6

"White Scientology" - The Battle Tactics Doctrine - Brainwashing Manual Tech - Scientology is Multi-layered - Exploiting the Positives: the Cheese in the Trap -

Background 9

Origin of the word "brainwashing." and of the "Russian Brainwashing Manual"
L. Ron Hubbard writing to Scientologists on the subject of the Brainwashing Manual
Departing briefly from the Manual: A look at private tactics later shared with insiders
A publicized statement
A private explanation
Hubbard vs. the "Asiatic Hordes"
Back to the Brainwashing Manual: Excerpts from Hubbard's third public statement on it
Kenneth Goff's 1956 version of the Manual
Scientology's "No-answer answers."

Excerpts from the Brainwashing Manual/Textbook on Psycho-politics 14

"Editorial Note": Hubbard. assuming the guise of the phantasmal "Charles Stickley"
"An Address by Beria": Hubbard, pretending to be Lavrenti Beria, chief of the Russian Secret Police
The Main Text of the Manual: Hubbard, masquerading as an arrogant Russain Brainwashing expert
"Pain-Drug-Hypnosis"

The Layers of The "Scientological Onion" http://exscn.net/content/view/178/105 17

Brainwashing Manual Parallels in Modern Scientology 19

Correspondences between the Brainwashing Manual and the Battle Tactics policy
On “Survival”
On Surviving the Atomic Bomb
On an individual Scientologist influencing leaders
Scientology is devious by design

Front Groups - Layer Zero of the “Scientological Onion” 20

“It is not necessary that the term ‘Communism’ [Scientology] be applied at first…”

Layer One - The publicized portion of Scientology 23

“White Scientology”
Scenario: (An application of “White Scientology”)
“By reason alone”
Auditing

Descending into Layer Two of the “Onion”: The “In-Organization” Strata 27

“…[Scientology] under the guise of [‘White Scientology’]…”
Exploitation of the process of abreaction
Playing one thing off another or “counter-playing”
“Loaded language”: the seemingly enlightened “counter-played” with the manipulative
Tone 4, “entheta,” “theta,” Suppressive Person
The Thought Limiting clichés of Scientology
Publicized, “In-organization” and Confidential Scientology “Ethics”
“…aligning the individual against the desire not to conform…”
Side effects of “critical thoughts”
Dominion over the loyalties of individuals

Layer Three of the “Onion”: The Confidential “Upper Levels” of the “Bridge to Total Freedom” 33

“…avoid the understanding of the layman…”
Highest of the “upper levels” must remain a mystery to the membership
Operating Thetan or O.T.
Aleister Crowley, Head of the O.T.O.
O.T. III, The “Wall of Fire” into which Hubbard “took the plunge” to save Mankind
Exploitation of the paranormal

Layer Four: “…a well trained individual who serves in complete obedience…”
The Sea Organization, the Rehabilitation Project Force, and the Five Card System 36


The Sea Organization: “Custodians of the O.T. Levels”
“…the only loyalty which should exist… is to the State [Scientology].”
Sea Org Ethics under Commodore Hubbard on the Flagship
“Refusal to let them sleep over many days…”
The Rehabilitation Project Force
“Filthy food, little sleep, nearly untenable quarters…”
“…the first loyalty [to himself]… is destroyed…”
“Degradation and conquest…”
The children’s and teenagers’ RPF
“A certain amount of fear…”
The RPF’s RPF
The Five Card “Team Share” System
The technologies of psycho-politics…”

Layer Five: Confidential Scientology Policy and Tech for “handling” uncooperative outsiders 46

The Fair Game policy and “philosophy”
“…find or manufacture enough threat…”
“Direct the attention of the authorities…”
Scientology’s unscrupulous use of the legal system
“We will no longer put up with our religion being criticized…”
Discourage inquiry
Defamatory data on file; “Culling”: Searching “religious confessional” (auditing) files for embarrassing or intimidating items
Background: The Commodore’s Intelligence Network
The policy of covert attack and publicized PR “defense lines”
Scientology’s Multi-layered Public Relations tech
Scientology Intelligence tech
Data collecting, and Attack or “support” Intelligence
Creating incidents that reflect badly on others
“Data needed by Ops on each located who”
Attack or “support” Intelligence - The Covert Ops study course and checklist
“Persons in his vicinity to whom he is emotionally involved…”
Coerce them into signing prepared “retractions” or “confessions”
Plenty of bogus “documentation”
One justification for unscrupulous covert methods
Treatment of VIPs and celebrities
Goal of talking over “mental health” and “political guidance”
Full knowledge of Intelligence tech must be denied to the general membership
“Deception, chicanery, lying, manipulation and outright criminality”
“She over there, those pink legs sticking out, didn’t like me”
Scientologists believe in a planet-wide conspiracy against L. Ron Hubbard and Scientology
The Scientology Hierarchy

Layer Six: The Core of the “Scientological Onion” 69

“…virtually a pathological liar…egotism… lust for power, and vindictiveness…”
“We must be like the vine upon the tree…”
The elusive “1000 page” official L. Ron Hubbard biography
“It’s a trap not being able to prevaricate”
Conscience as an “impediment”
The L. Ron Hubbard Fan(atic) club

Epilogue 74

Freeing the Positives

Addendum 76

"Dr. Hubbard's" FBI letters written concurrent with the appearance of the Brainwashing Manual 77

L. Ron Hubbard assumes the identity of Dr. Hubbard Ph.D DD - Patriotic Concerned Citizen
Letter of 29 July 1955
From a letter dated 7 September

A further look at Scientology's Covert Intelligence Tech 79

"Categories of Data Needing Coding"
A glimpse at a covert operation, and of public strata "policy" used as a cover for applied covert policy
An example of public strata "policy" used as "cover" - this time used on Scientologists by Scientology
"Ops Planning"
What to "Vet" or delete from sensitive internal messages that may be scrutinized by outsiders

Bibliography 82

Notes 87


L. Ron Hubbard, Messiah or Madman?, 2nd edition:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0942637577/ref=sib_dp_pt/102-0654802-4263319


________________​


Using the old glue analogy, IMO, Scientology, as designed by its founder, consists of two main aspects: the solvent ("truth," "abreaction"/catharsis/"key-out" etc.), and the lacquer (the sea of words, half truths, falsehoods, smoke and mirrors, gimmicks, tricks, manipulation, etc.)

In the proper ratio, these combine to make a mind-glue that sticks a person to Scientology. Currently, Miscavige has screwed up the ratio of solvent and lacquer with too much lacquer and not enough solvent. (Without solvent, glue doesn't "work.")


[video=youtube;AK2m7rYjZ54]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AK2m7rYjZ54[/video]
 
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