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[Telepathetic]

I was going to have this posted anonymously but after typing it up (and thus thoroughly reading it) I have a few things to say.

I had a visit this weekend from someone who is a very close friend of mine. Under the guise of a road trip and entirely on her own determinism. Well I was shown a print out of my story printed from this forum and asked about it.

I told her my feelings and why I felt the way I did. We actually had a decent conversation and I really honestly care a LOT about this person and hate the fact that Scn is now going to put a huge bridge between us.

Anyway. She left behind a print out of a "handling program" that is obviously for people that "have black PR". I am posting it here so others have a heads up as I am sure that others will be contacted sooner or later.




It is obviously incomplete. But I just have to say things like the above are what piss me off. How can someone imply or say that being told to have an abortion or leave the SO (ie. lose your job and have a huge F/L bill) is "black PR" or "twisted truth".

And yes -- the Church obviously knows who I am now, so you can too. I'm Laura Dieckman/DeCrescenzo and I was in CMO IXU for over 10 years and the SO for 13.

I'm truly sorry to the person who came to visit me this weekend, I love her as a sister and HATE the fact that I know this is going to come between us.

Oops, I almost forgot to thank the person that started this.

Thanks Laura this is very valuable information

I truly hope everything works out with your friend, but no matter what, continue to be her friend.

My best to you.

TP

 

[Good twin]

Thank you Laura, sincerely. I feel more certain about approaching the beast now, thanks to you.

 

[byte301]

GT, just another idea...you might print up elron's autopsy report. Ask him to explain the psychiatric drug found in his system.

Has he ever been on the Failwinds? A definition of mesothelioma might be helpful to him if so.

 

[Voltaire's Child]

Vistaril is an anti histamine. It is not a psych drug. BUT, I hasten to add- it has mood altering properties and is often prescribed for that. I am sure that's why Hubbard was taking it. Injected into his buttocks so it for damn sure wasn't self administered.

 

[Axiom142]

Coincidentally, I got a phone call from ‘a senior person’ at St Hill a couple of days ago, the first one for ages. Naturally, it wasn’t at a reasonable time when I might be more receptive, but it was very late, just as I was getting into my Buzz Lightyear PJs. How come they never phone at 7:00pm when there’s nothing on the TV and you don’t mind being disturbed so much? :confused2:

Anyway, she obviously wasn’t aware of my status, as it were, and asked me how I was doing etc. When I asked her how she was doing, she replied that it was “A very exciting time!” (I’ll bet!). She was obviously looking for some money from me.

Then, when she asked me what my plans were regarding Scientology, I gave her a rather instructive answer! I was rather proud of myself for not utilising an excess of robust language. But ultimately, I felt rather sorry for her and avoided really putting the boot in, but I think she got the message that I am NOT a Scientologist anymore.

I found the experience rather liberating. She is someone who has got me to hand over rather a lot of money over the years and made me feel guilty for the times that I said “No.” I never felt like I could be totally honest with her before, I felt as though I had to ‘toe the line’ and say the right things, even when I didn’t feel like it. Voicing disagreements with any aspect of Scientology was not allowed.

Well, that night I felt that I could be totally honest and say exactly what I wanted to. Just indicates how suppressed I was when I was ‘in’, that I couldn’t communicate freely on any subject.

Axiom142

 

[Feral]

Good point

Oh by the way Feral, I could not link-up to "My Christmas story." Could you direct me to it in some other way--thanks.

TP

Fixed

 

[Telepathetic]

Thank you Mr. Feral

TP

 

[cantsay]

Coincidentally, I got a phone call from ‘a senior person’ at St Hill a couple of days ago, the first one for ages. Naturally, it wasn’t at a reasonable time when I might be more receptive, but it was very late, just as I was getting into my Buzz Lightyear PJs. How come they never phone at 7:00pm when there’s nothing on the TV and you don’t mind being disturbed so much? :confused2:

Anyway, she obviously wasn’t aware of my status, as it were, and asked me how I was doing etc. When I asked her how she was doing, she replied that it was “A very exciting time!” (I’ll bet!). She was obviously looking for some money from me.

Then, when she asked me what my plans were regarding Scientology, I gave her a rather instructive answer! I was rather proud of myself for not utilising an excess of robust language. But ultimately, I felt rather sorry for her and avoided really putting the boot in, but I think she got the message that I am NOT a Scientologist anymore.

I found the experience rather liberating. She is someone who has got me to hand over rather a lot of money over the years and made me feel guilty for the times that I said “No.” I never felt like I could be totally honest with her before, I felt as though I had to ‘toe the line’ and say the right things, even when I didn’t feel like it. Voicing disagreements with any aspect of Scientology was not allowed.

Well, that night I felt that I could be totally honest and say exactly what I wanted to. Just indicates how suppressed I was when I was ‘in’, that I couldn’t communicate freely on any subject.

Axiom142

Well done! Im only just getting to that point myself, its amazing how hard it can be to say exactly what you want.

Hopefully they will leave you in peace now

 

[Voltaire's Child]

Good for you, Ax!!!

 

[GreyLensman]

"a) The R-Factor for the person is that we would like to know all the data they got from the external sources so we have a chance to show them the true data so the person CAN THINK FOR THEMSELVES..."
(emphasis added)

(bollocks)

THINK FOR THEMSELVES? That's not allowed, I know that it's not allowed. Anyone who actually tries is slapped down hard.

 

[klidov]

>>Or wear a guyfalwks mask and a t shirt that says SP AND PROUD on it in big bold letters. Make sure it is a WET T_SHIRT

Let's see those OT tr's in action!

[/QUOTE]

Or go bra-less (especially if you are in a DDD/E cup), and run around Clearwater with a "Property of Xenu" t-shirt while grocery shopping.

Those that know what it means can only stew with anger (he doesn't exists, remember? ).

And those that don't know ask.

Win/Win.

 

[FinallyMe]

"a) The R-Factor for the person is that we would like to know all the data they got from the external sources so we have a chance to show them the true data so the person CAN THINK FOR THEMSELVES..."
(emphasis added)

I can't say as I see their problem - I think the simple answer is to sit with them in front of the computer and SHOW them "all the data" that they apparently can't find themselves.

I would have thought they could have come up with that solution themselves, but maybe that's what "thinking for themselves" gets them?

 

[Dulloldfart]

"Think for yourself" is a surveyed button. They used it in a big public promo campaign several years ago, not seeing/caring about the hypocrisy.

A button is just a button. If "think for granny" was the top button they would use that instead.

Paul

 

[Panda Termint]

"Think for yourself" is a surveyed button. They used it in a big public promo campaign several years ago, not seeing/caring about the hypocrisy.

A button is just a button. If "think for granny" was the top button they would use that instead.

Paul

I always liked the "Make up your own mind" button, I thought it exposed everything about certain mechanisms of scientology. What? You want me to make stuff up?!? :confused2:

 

[Div6]

Vistaril is an anti histamine. It is not a psych drug. BUT, I hasten to add- it has mood altering properties and is often prescribed for that. I am sure that's why Hubbard was taking it. Injected into his buttocks so it for damn sure wasn't self administered.

Vistaril in its PILL form is an antihistamine. The injected form is used as a psyche drug. Different doses and forms, different re-actions.

 

[Div6]

I was going to have this posted anonymously but after typing it up (and thus thoroughly reading it) I have a few things to say.

I had a visit this weekend from someone who is a very close friend of mine. Under the guise of a road trip and entirely on her own determinism. Well I was shown a print out of my story printed from this forum and asked about it.

I told her my feelings and why I felt the way I did. We actually had a decent conversation and I really honestly care a LOT about this person and hate the fact that Scn is now going to put a huge bridge between us.

Anyway. She left behind a print out of a "handling program" that is obviously for people that "have black PR". I am posting it here so others have a heads up as I am sure that others will be contacted sooner or later.




It is obviously incomplete. But I just have to say things like the above are what piss me off. How can someone imply or say that being told to have an abortion or leave the SO (ie. lose your job and have a huge F/L bill) is "black PR" or "twisted truth".

And yes -- the Church obviously knows who I am now, so you can too. I'm Laura Dieckman/DeCrescenzo and I was in CMO IXU for over 10 years and the SO for 13.

I'm truly sorry to the person who came to visit me this weekend, I love her as a sister and HATE the fact that I know this is going to come between us.

Thanks for posting this. The "problem" with all of these "handlings" is that they violate the most basic basic of Scientology - the comm formula.

(Cause-distance-effect with duplication at effect of that which emanated from cause WITH UNDERSTANDING.)

There is no "understanding" in this handling...just an attempt to bury the truth.

This is what I have told them:

DM is an SP. He has MAJOR CRIMES including:
1. Squirreling the tech. Changing drg of 2d to "creativity", etc
2. Exposing staff and public to blue asbestos via the freewinds.
3. Perjury
4. Illegal orders re: 2d handlings
5. Forming a splinter group (RTC)

etc, etc


The upshot is that THEY are PTS to DM. They need to handle or disconnect. Only then can they think for themselves.
Further, if they really read and confront the "Robotism" HCOB, they will realize that only DB's and and PTS'es will work for SP's.

So just what does that mean concerning every SO member that is still active?

So talk about the crimes of DM and LRH......lets see how they try to DA that. It's an effective argument. All they could do was declare me.

"THEY CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH."

The truth WILL set you free.

 

[Telepathetic]

Vistaril in its PILL form is an antihistamine. The injected form is used as a psyche drug. Different doses and forms, different re-actions.

The church uses the antihistamine argument. So what you say here is an important point. But even if the Scilons still believed it was used for allegies you would win,ask them,"You mean an OT, no a supper OT like LRH had allergies?!"

 

[Voltaire's Child]

Vistaril in its PILL form is an antihistamine. The injected form is used as a psyche drug. Different doses and forms, different re-actions.

Sure.

 

[Nurse Pinch]

The church uses the antihistamine argument. So what you say here is an important point. But even if the Scilons still believed it was used for allegies you would win,ask them,"You mean an OT, no a supper OT like LRH had allergies?!"

Oh I am sure he was using it for "research into the upper OT band".

Pinchy.

 

[Voltaire's Child]

Well, but it was injected into him by other parties...