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Hearing Jan 22 Miscavige still to be deposed

Discussion in 'Monique Rathbun' started by The Sloth, Jan 23, 2014.

  1. Enthetan

    Enthetan Master of Disaster

    His lawyers must be terrified of DM getting on the stand and exploding.

    They must be even more terrified of DM going so nuts that he orders OSA to "fair game" the judge. I coulld see him doing it, I could see some OSA people being stupid enough to follow the orders, and I can REALLY see the shit-storm that would descend on CO$ as a result.
  2. uncover

    uncover Gold Meritorious Patron

    Exactly, and that´s the reason why he wants to avoid a court appearance for a deposition - which probably will be found on youtube.

    Miscavige cuts a ridiculous figure without his pretentious environment and a prepared Sherman-speak which he can unnaturally "sing" from his teleprompter.

    Mr Miscavige (in court): "Ahhh... yyy..yyyes....ehhh... mhhhh....grrrr...."

    None of the whales ever again would spend only one single dollar for such a ridiculous appearance. THAT is the fear of Miscavige.
    Last edited: Jan 25, 2014
  3. Lone Star

    Lone Star Crusader

    Absolultely!! And Wallace, I know you're the main man when it comes to appeals. Probably the best in Texas. But don't forget that the appeals court, and the State supreme court, have clerks who will help the Justices read the court transcripts. They get to read about "the pope of scientology" who has a "blackheart" per Ricardo Cedillo. They get to read those instances in which Ricardo freaked out and almost had a meltdown over the "pope's" travel itinerary "dispute". They get to read about your brother talking about "millions of scientologists" worldwide, and how "millions of Texans" would have known if "pope Miscavige" came here, then they'll read that he did go to Dallas to open an Org....they probably won't remember it. In fact count on the fact that they didn't hear about it at all. :no:

    They'll get to read about how only your brother is the "pope's" attorney, and yet read lots of dialogue in which Cedillo defends him and acts more like his attorney. They'll get to read about how all the orgs, cchr, etc... that operate in Texas are "Independent", and yet read where your brother says "Independents are bad" and that the church has a right to fight them. Oh then clerks and justices will be "sort of spinny". :dizzy:

    There's a lot more goodies in the transcripts.....and they're not, well, helpful for you. :no:

  4. Enthetan

    Enthetan Master of Disaster

    Consider David Mayo. Here was a guy who audited LRH. Who spent YEARS and YEARS working literally under LRH's nose. And LRH didn't spot him as an SP?

    I remember a bunch of people smelling the roses when Mayo got declared, and leaving. But a bunch of people didn't (myself, to my regret, being one of them).

    Being a Scientologist means being able to rationalize just about anything which goes against your stable data.
    Last edited: Jan 25, 2014
  5. Wants2Talk

    Wants2Talk Silver Meritorious Patron

    Yes- It is like a mutual death pact that all SO share.
  6. TG1

    TG1 Angelic Poster

    Ah, belief! It trumps data every time.

  7. HelluvaHoax!

    HelluvaHoax! Platinum Meritorious Sponsor with bells on


    In Scientology terms: Must reach, can't reach. Must withdraw, can't withdraw. (from the definition of "Insanity")

    In real terms:

    Can't be deposed, must be deposed.
    Can't go to trial. Must go to trial.
    Can't settle. Must settle.
    Can't get an F/N. Must appear total cause and winning. LOL​

    This whole Squirrelbuster fiasco has erupted into a major Hill 11!


    Hill 11: The worse thing that happens after a Scientologist has used the tech to handle a Hill 10.
  8. coldmud

    coldmud New Member

    >>There's a lot more goodies in the transcripts.....and they're not, well, helpful for you. :no:

    Are the transcripts available online for us to read?
  9. TG1

    TG1 Angelic Poster

    Oh, yes. They're all loaded on scribd.

    Here's a good link to start at. It's Monique's initial complaint:

    You'll find other links at that site, as well.

    Monique's Motion for Sanctions references some hilarious excerpts from the depositions of CoS and RTC witnesses, Allen Cartwright, Warren McShane and Tommy Davis. That motion is at

    Enjoy. :)


    P.S. EDIT: MY BAD! The court hearing transcripts are not online anywhere that I know of. Sorry for misunderstanding your question.
    Last edited: Jan 25, 2014
  10. Chess

    Chess Patron with Honors

    Your honour, David Miscavige sends his compliments but will not be joining us as he moved on to target two - best defence he could think of...:clap:
  11. Udarnik

    Udarnik Gold Meritorious Patron

    Sounds like an S&M session to me. You sure Ron wasn't talking about making the Moonchild, there?

  12. Udarnik

    Udarnik Gold Meritorious Patron

    Man is not a rational animal. He is a rationalizing animal. -- Robert Anson Heinlein
  13. Mimsey Borogrove

    Mimsey Borogrove Crusader

    Lets say he is deposed, it goes to trial and he loses. Or he settles. It won't make a bit of difference to the whales, or the mini whales, or any of the true believers. They are trained not to read entheta. They'll never find out, and even if they do, the church will chalk it up as a win anyway.

    Can't you see David, after getting his ass kicked from here to Halifax, swaggering up to the podium at Ruth Eckerd hall, and declaring "I put Mosey, the wife of that SP, the Kingpin, in her place once and for all. She couldn't stand up to GAT II OSA Tech and crumbled to meet our settlement demands. Another sector handled!" as he points out the rising stats of SP's handled on the screen feed behind him, to the wild cheering of the faithful.

  14. uncover

    uncover Gold Meritorious Patron

    I have to disagree, the true believers are trained not to read entheta .....yes.... but only that, which is produced by SP´s from outside the cult. They are also trained to listen to Miscavige - he is never speaking entheta. So if he get´s deposed and a video of the deposition lands on youtube, for the true believer it is save to watch that video of the master of ceremonies. The problem and danger is when Miscavige appears in this video as laughingstock - then one big "stable datum" has been destabilized.... and this has to be avoided.
  15. degraded being

    degraded being Sponsor


    Let's call them camels instead of whales.
    They are carrying more and more straws and their backs will break.
    Maybe not all of them, but it has already happened to many.

    There are different kinds of whales/camels.
    Celeb whales/camels.
    Financial whales/camels.
    Long time SO high up exec whales/camels.
  16. lotus

    lotus stubborn rebel sheep!

    If I am Mosey\Marty I would make a deal for Miscavige

    10 Millions $ now to exchange Miscavige's deposition for Laurisse and Shelly to deposit without any objection from their layer!
    Or no deal and the 3 to be deposed!

    (this deal not being for the trial though) but only to give Miscavige a break :biggrin:

    Hum..that would be 100% source (throw your wife under the bus and hide)
  17. Terril park

    Terril park Sponsor

    So you are dissing your own often excellent posts?
  18. Terril park

    Terril park Sponsor

    And that is the best scenario for DM.
  19. Udarnik

    Udarnik Gold Meritorious Patron

    I repeatedly post excerpts from Feynman's Cargo Cult Science to remind myself of this truth. It's not to say that Man can't be rational, but when a scientist thinks that he's incapable of sliding down the slippery slope is when he or she is closest to falling over the cliff to crankhood. I try to have an answer to the question: "what data would it take to change your mind?" whenever I make a strong assertion. Don't always succeed, but I do try.
  20. Lone Star

    Lone Star Crusader

    Exactly one week ago today Judge Waldrip gave both sides 7 days to conference and work out an agreement on discovery.

    Hmmmmmm........I wonder how that went? :unsure:

    I bet it went real well. :yes:



    I expect Ray Jeffrey to file another more extensive Motion for Sanctions tomorrow. :yes:

    Now let's have a little sing-a-long with the melody of that old Youngbloods tune....

    Come on Slappy now
    Smile on your brother
    Get together with ol' Marty
    Try to love one another
    Right now