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Hearing Jan 22 Miscavige still to be deposed

Discussion in 'Monique Rathbun' started by The Sloth, Jan 23, 2014.

  1. Udarnik

    Udarnik Gold Meritorious Patron

    What's to understand? We're simple folks.

    Unlike women.
  2. afaceinthecrowd

    afaceinthecrowd Gold Meritorious Patron

    Well Hell, JS...Men don't even understand men. :no: But, we are sure of ourselves.:biggrin:

  3. sallydannce

    sallydannce Gold Meritorious Patron

    I have stopped pouting and sulking now. :melodramatic:


    As a kiwi I am struggling to keep up with the legal circus that is playing out in Texas. The off-the-wall bullying tactics being used are strictly about dominance and nothing to do with truth or genuine justice. The irony goes on and on and on whenever the cult of scientology is involved!

    And in an attempt to stay focused and bring some humanity to the table, my love and support to Mosey. You go girl!
  4. Mimsey Borogrove

    Mimsey Borogrove Crusader

    Yeah. Right. Me think's it's gettin' kinda deep here. Y'all ketch my drift? Mimsey

  5. AnonKat

    AnonKat Crusader

    Don't worry, you cute
  6. oneonewasaracecar

    oneonewasaracecar Gold Meritorious Patron

    This is an interesting point. In a way DM is just as trapped as the rest of the Sea Org. If he leaves, he no longer has a money and machine to defend him from his crimes, and he would, as you say, have no capacity to interact with people in the outside world in a normal way.

    His exposure to the outside world ended when he was a teenager. Under all of his posturing, he must be a very weak man.
  7. dchoiceisalwaysrs

    dchoiceisalwaysrs Gold Meritorious Patron

    And combined with his intense Mania it yields a very accurate clay demo of a Comanome. Ron's clay demo of unconsciousness + (label) DM :biggrin:
  8. still here

    still here Patron with Honors

    Exactly what I meant. :yes:

    Not only weak, but a very scared little boy. It reminds me of the release of a wild animal, caged all his life with no threat from real wildlife or his own kind and no understanding or experience of how to relate to, or deal with them.

    This is a man who bullies, intimidates and emotionally, psychologically and physically abuses when things do not go his way, these are his only tools and enough when operating within his cage. (i.e no one will challenge him as he holds all the power (or has the biggest teeth and claws, and is too mean).
    These tools however, will not work when dealing with people who are not under his complete control, or have abilities and intelligence outside of his understanding and experience. (and they are not on his payroll).

    Just like his best friend Mr Cruise, when faced with real, sane, logical questions, the only recourse is aggression. The worse scenario would be for him to lose control and become angry, aggressive or abusive, that would make headlines!

    However, these tools are not enough ammunition to take on Mr Jeffreys, or a judge, alone, without someone in between he can rant at and bully for being an incompetent failure as in the Mike Rinder situation. DM had no solution to what to do about Sweeney, (apart from avoiding him), except to rant at Rinder and Davies. DM could not apply "bypass and handle", (and again went to extraordinary lengths to "not" be interviewed), which his policies state are the solution when a junior is failing to deliver, because he had no clue what to do.

    Right now, DM needs to be scared and avoid being in court at all costs, unfortunately everyone can see that this is his only goal and what his lawyers have been tasked with.

    His insanity, ignorance and incompetence are slowly but surely backing him into a corner, and there may be no way out.

  9. Terril park

    Terril park Sponsor

    Shiela you are a hot babe. A smart babe.

    You will never understand men?

    Maybe I can give you some pointers. I am one. :)

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  10. Gib

    Gib Crusader

    I thought about it too. And maybe so did LRH & DM.

    DM could end this debacle by simply going into the courtroom, have one of his highest class auditors hook him up to an e-meter while Sugar Ray is asking him questions. And the Judge could see the F/N's while DM answers the questions.

    DM could prove to the world that scientology & the e-meter work.
  11. afaceinthecrowd

    afaceinthecrowd Gold Meritorious Patron

    Couple of random thoughts re: some of the good stuff in the comments on this Thread...

    1. I'll betcha Y'all dollars against doughnuts that a selected list of Scn Whales have already received "Highly Confidential" briefings that Der Furor Mouse is "under personal attack" by the traitorous SP Rathbun and a Psycho Texas ambulance chaser in a "Red Neck" Texas Courtroom and they are DM's "go to guys" to bankroll the defense by a team of "Top Shelf, well connected and expert lawyers".

    2. Besides the fact that DM does not want to, under penalty of perjury, be deposed or cross examined on the witness stand in a court of law, methinks his frame of mind (or lack, thereof) has arrived where El Ron's was in Hisself's latter years to wit, the abject terror of being Publicly being "found out", "losing it" and being incarcerated or institutionalized.

    3. This thing is either gonna get "Hard Ball" beyond anything DM can imagine (which is what's so frightening to him) or there's gonna be one Helluva Settlement that's gonna throw out the "Welcome Mat" and open the door for DM to repeatedly and mercilessly be sliced to ribbons by Jeffrey and his ilk as suing DM & Scn becomes the "next big thing" in Plaintiff Litigation. Either way, Jeffrey, IMHO, is mapping out the "Template" and deep down inside, DM knows it.

    Last edited: Jan 25, 2014
  12. HelluvaHoax!

    HelluvaHoax! Platinum Meritorious Sponsor with bells on


    It's a fascinating study in cult sociopathy, this case.

    Miscavige has been unexpectedly thrown onto the DEFENSIVE. He does not know how to respond. All he really knows and understands is being on the OFFENSIVE which he learned from his master, Hubbard. Scientologists are only good at attacking because they have no defense.

    A large part of Miscavige's attack strategy and capability was neutralized--eviscerated in fact--with the TRO. He dare not run his fair game tricks while warden Waldrip's million watt spotlight is shining directly at him and his deeply "religious" activities.

    Again, consider of the stunning simplicity of why Miscavige is terrified to speak in his own defense. There is no defense when you are guilty. And, there is no upside when the full spectrum of things you have done is far worse than what Mosey Rathbun narrowly specified in her complaint.

    The ultimate nightmare scenario for a Scientologist--being forced to tell the truth out of session, where you can get off lightly just by grinning and saying you "feel good about it".

    Early in this case I made an estimate of what the settlement amount could be if the Rathbuns were willing to sign a global NDA ($5m - $7m). Later, after certain very damaging information came to light I posted a revised number ($10m).

    Now, I am projecting that if the Rathbuns were willing to walk away and leave Scientology alone forevermore, the number could be up to $20m. In my opinion Miscavige would sign his name to that check if he could. After all, he didn't contribute one dollar of that money personally, it's all donations earned by other people. And he would still have over a billion dollars cash to play with.

    However, he's kind of stuck with the case now, not wanting to appear that he is willing to bail out too early and give a signal to other litigants that he is spooked. So, it's worth wasting another $5m - $10m of parishioner money on lawyers to keep bluffing until they get to the eve of trial, when he still can enter a settlement. And there's always the outside chance that something his dream team cooks up will gain traction.

    Miscavige's unchecked hubris and megalomania has brought him to this point. He doesn't know how to get out of it. He got scammed into it (either intentionally or otherwise) by reacting badly to Rathbun openly ridiculing his absolute authority. His famous temper got the best of him, as always, and he flew off the handle and sent a head cam terror squad to camp out in front of Marty's home for those many months. It reminds me of the way Sonny Corleone was undone by an eerily similar Achilles heel.

    Sonny was lured to a toll booth on the causeway.

    Davie was lured out of his toll booth on the "total cause" way.


    Don Corleone:"My wife is crying upstairs. I hear cars coming to the house. Consiglieri of mine, I think you should tell your Don what everyone seems to know."

    Tom:"I didn't tell Mama anything. I was about to come up and wake just now and tell you."

    Don Corleone:"But you needed a drink first. [Tom nods] And now you've had your drink."

    Tom:"They shot Sonny on the causeway. He's dead."

    If Don Corleone were alive today, here's what his reply would have been:

    Don Corleone: "I pray that what you are saying isn't true--or at least that you are going to tell me that demented little cocksucking midget Miscavige was in the car with Sonny and got whacked out too."
    Last edited: Jan 25, 2014
  13. ILove2Lurk

    ILove2Lurk Lisbeth Salander

    What I'm sure they didn't mention in the confidential briefings:

    Marty spent about 30 solid years of his life 24/7 (practically his entire adult life) being meticulously audited to the top of the OT Bridge by the most perfect auditors in the world at the Int Base, CSed by the crème de la crème RTC CSes, ruthlessly trained to the highest levels of homo novus ("new man") through OT delivery skills, personally handled by top-on-the-planet RTC ethics staffs, and graduate-level schooled in the #1 breakthrough administrative science of the past 50 years. :coolwink:

    How can he turn out like such a psychotic-criminal-out-of-control-dramatizing mess that they're now portraying him as and having to fund to fight?

    Cognitive dissonance much? :whistling:

    Last edited: Jan 25, 2014
  14. lotus

    lotus stubborn rebel sheep!


    You just made me realize this!
    If Marty Rathbun is such a ''criminal'' or ''degraded squirrel''

    It shall be a living proof that the highest level tech of $cientology he got, doesn't work at all!

    Anyway, at this time
    Most of the highest trained or Oatess scientologists are out or have been declared

    * cognitive dissonance here''

    Apparently, it fails

    We are so much espess who weren't espees while they came in the CO$
    but later on, 25-30 years later - suddenly became espees and criminal!

    Something wrong here :duh:

    2 possible answers:

    Either this CO$ is evils and only create criminals (ennemies)
    either good people coming in the CO$, get transformed into rats!

    one way or other - CO$ fail at promising a new better world or free human being!
    But it succeds at hatred and breaking people and their family!
    Last edited: Jan 25, 2014
  15. Mimsey Borogrove

    Mimsey Borogrove Crusader

    No dissonance - for that to happen you have to know who Marty was. You have to know he was a respected top dog in the CofS. I was out a year or more till I started finding out who he was, (Never really heard the name before) and then I had to wade through acres of negative posts here before I, having decided to read some of his posts, woke up and saw I was being 3Pd on him on all sides, and decided to stop contributing to the motion against him. To me it is fascinating, Mr. Evil - the withholder of the skellingtons that would bring down the more evil fearless leader, is now loved by all here in this underdog fight. Or maybe it is his wife that is loved and he's riding on her coat tails. Whatever.

    These people give and don't want to know the details. They don't want to suffer through Michael Robertson or Howard Becker's painful IAS briefings. They write a check to shut them up, and show them the door, and return to reading how to improve their golf game.


  16. Enthetan

    Enthetan Master of Disaster

    For those whose first language is not American english, to "double check" is to inspect in a new unit of time what you're making a statement about, in order to verify that your statement is correct.
  17. Enthetan

    Enthetan Master of Disaster

    To give some reality to people outside the US of just how different Texas may be from their own country, Texas is also one of the few states in the US where citizens are legally allowed to fight back against police who use unnecessary force.

    Texas Penal Code - Section 9.31. Self-Defense

    (c) The use of force to resist an arrest or search is
    (1) if, before the actor offers any resistance, the
    peace officer (or person acting at his direction) uses or attempts
    to use greater force than necessary to make the arrest or search;
    (2) when and to the degree the actor reasonably
    believes the force is immediately necessary to protect himself
    against the peace officer's (or other person's) use or attempted use
    of greater force than necessary.​

    In other words, if a police officer, without justification and against an unresisting person, uses unnecessary violence, then the victim may defend himself. Under section 9.33, a bystander may defend another who is being subjected to unjustified force. Under 9.32, to the extent that the victim believes he is in danger of death or serious injury, the victim may be legally defended by using deadly force (e.g., shooting the officer).

    Where else in the world is that the case?
  18. TG1

    TG1 Angelic Poster

    I've just multiplied some obvious budget numbers. In the first 20 weeks of Monique v. Miscavige, Miscavige has run up legal bills of at least $10 million.

    If this goes to trial, his average weekly legal fees will double. And at some point, as HH has said, those fees are going to impress even Miscavige.

    As Face has pointed out, Miscavige faces a worse court -- the court of whale opinion. And there's yet another court he faces -- the U.S. Internal Revenue Service. I don't know specifically how this case could interact with any issues they are now having with the CoS. But Monique Yingling would know.

    Miscavige certainly can't step down as pope until this case is ended, because he'd then have no authority to control his defense and fewer resources to defend himself.

    If his appellate lawyers cannot get him off by arguing prior case law, the only way Miscavige can hope to survive this case is to settle it. He cannot be deposed. He cannot let this case go to trial.

    He's in a pickle. A real pickle.

  19. Lone Star

    Lone Star Crusader

    Yes. There's also this double check.....
  20. Enthetan

    Enthetan Master of Disaster

    A lot of men are just drawn to passionate women. Even passionately angry. It adds spice to life, like a pinch of cayenne pepper.