Heber Jentzsch Told His Brother: "I'll Never Get Out of Here Alive"

FoTi

Crusader
So you're saying they CAN shoot us all? :p

It wouldn't suprise me if the report is true that there are people trained to defend the base in the event of a raid. I know they had specially trained SO members toting rifles and pistols on FLB because I saw them with my own eyes, and I was told that during the LA riots specially trained SO members were in charge of protecting the churches in CA. I tend to reject the notion that all SO members or large numbers of them are trained for combat, though, simply because giving slaves access to and know how of weaponry and close quarter combat skills seems really, really stupid from a slavemaster's POV.

During the LA riots, some who were manning the guns were not SO.....I knew one of them....he was a Scientologist. He had been in the military and knew how to handle guns. They had him in charge of a machine gun, on the roof of Big Blue, where no one could see him.

Jesse Prince also talked about the guns in Hemet....he himself had a couple and spoke about how he used one to defend himself against DM when DM got rough with him.
 

Markus

Silver Meritorious Patron
So you're saying they CAN shoot us all? :p

It wouldn't suprise me if the report is true that there are people trained to defend the base in the event of a raid. I know they had specially trained SO members toting rifles and pistols on FLB because I saw them with my own eyes, and I was told that during the LA riots specially trained SO members were in charge of protecting the churches in CA. I tend to reject the notion that all SO members or large numbers of them are trained for combat, though, simply because giving slaves access to and know how of weaponry and close quarter combat skills seems really, really stupid from a slavemaster's POV.

During the LA riots I had a long conversation with my brother Uwe Stuckenbrock on phone where he was telling me some details about all this. I think he was security chief Int then. Very proudly he told me that they were working very close together with the police and that in fact the police offered them training on guns. In return they were helping to "clean up the place" in LA. So Uwe very likely was one of these "specially trained armed SO members" who were protecting the "churches" in LA.
 

Jquepublic

Silver Meritorious Patron
What does Heber know that M & M don't know?

I don't think he knows as much as M & M when it's all said and done. I think that he doesn't have complicity in the things he knows.

And if DM hadn't let M&M out of the Hole they'd probably still be there too. AFAIK nobody breaks out of the place, they're let out.
 

Anonycat

Crusader
This is so very sad.

Heber clearly knows that things are very wrong and that he should leave, but he is unable to do anything about it.

The prison isn’t the guards, or the fences topped with razor-wire, it is in his mind. Obviously, Miscavige will never voluntarily allow Heber to leave. If he ever spoke out, with the universal respect that Scns have for him, it would be game over for Miscavige.

But, I really can’t understand his brother’s attitude. If it were me and it appeared that Heber was being held against his will, I would gather together all his siblings and all their children and grand-children and turn up en-masse with the media and law enforcement, demanding his release.

Axiom142

I like what you said. Maybe it fits with what was posted elsewhere:

It is required by law that clergy report improper conditions for seniors and the elderly.
http://egov.ocgov.com/ocgov/Social Services Agency/Abuse Reporting/Elder Disabled/Mandated Reporters

Mandated Reporters

Orange County Adult Protective Services
800-451-5155 (24 hour hot line)
Types of Mandated Reporters

Everyone should report all observed, known or suspected incidents of adult abuse, but the following persons are required by law to report:

"Any person who has assumed full or intermittent responsibility for care or custody of an elder or dependent adult, whether or not that person receives compensation, including administrators, supervisors, and any licensed staff of a public or private facility that provides care or services for elder or dependent adults, or any elder or dependent adult care custodian, health practitioner, clergy member, or employee of a county adult protective services agency or a local law enforcement agency is a mandated report."

"Any mandated reporter who, in his or her professional capacity, or within the scope of his or her employment, has observed or has knowledge of an incident that reasonably appears to be physical abuse, abandonment, abduction, isolation, financial abuse, or neglect, or is told by an elder or dependent adult that he or she has experienced behavior, including an act or omission, constituting physical abuse, abandonment, abduction, isolation, financial abuse, or neglect, or reasonably suspects that abuse shall report the known or suspected instance of abuse by telephone immediately or as soon as practically possible, and by written report sent with two working days."
(Welfare and Institutions Code Section 15630)

Mandated reporting parties come from, but are not limited to, the following categories:

Health care practitioners, e.g. doctors, dentists, nurses, therapists, and their office staff

Adult personal care providers, e.g. attendants, day care staff, senior center staff

Law Enforcement Officers

Medical Examiners

Paramedics and firemen

Code enforcement and animal control workers

Clergy

Adult/Child Protective Services staff

All staff of Orange County Social Services Agency having client contact

After Jan. 1, 2007, employees of financial institutions

Step by Step Mandated Reporting

Step one: Make a verbal report by telephone as soon as practically possible to Adult Protective Services at 800-451-5155. If the abuse occurred in a long-term care facility call the Long-term Care Ombudsman at 714-479-0107.
 

Ogsonofgroo

Crusader
What a sad, sad way to end your days, stuck in a cultic prison much of which is created using Hubbard's mind-bending-building-blocks within your own mind.
I don't think DM would have much to fear from him should he depart the compound, after all I believe him to be a deep drinker of the LRon 'Well of Lost Souls' and he would have little to say to anyone on the subject. In the few vids of him I've watched he didn't make a whole lot of sense then, I don't think it'd be much different now.
As Smilla mentioned, Stockholm Syndrome, is a major factor to consider, it goes along well with the usual fear-for-eternity blah-blah and having your brain fried in a giant pan of stupid for decades.
The world has passed him by for so many years now he is likely too far gone now to feel he'd have any other life than what crusts of humanity he lives on now, it is indeed sickening imho.

:unsure:
 

smartone

My Own Boss
Snip>
Heber, IMHO, gave up a long time ago, and if authorities walked in guns drawn and asked him if he wanted an escort out, my guess is he'd say NO. Out to WHAT?
How would he feed and house himself? Snip>



What about all his brothers and sisters? Surely they could help Heber.
 

smartone

My Own Boss
Christ, it seems to me that the authorities have had more than enough reason to raid that fucking place for years now. I'm pissed every time I'm reminded that it has yet to happen. I'm sick of my senators' and reps' carefully worded avoidance of the issue when I call or email. I think we should all don Free Heber tees and storm the fucking base.

Seriously, they can't shoot us all.

I don't think that the US Government sees Hemet Base as a security risk. They wouldn't want another WACO.

You can be sure that the US Government is keeping an eye on them though.
 

GoNuclear

Gold Meritorious Patron
Christ, it seems to me that the authorities have had more than enough reason to raid that fucking place for years now. I'm pissed every time I'm reminded that it has yet to happen. I'm sick of my senators' and reps' carefully worded avoidance of the issue when I call or email. I think we should all don Free Heber tees and storm the fucking base.

Seriously, they can't shoot us all.

Yeah, it would seem that storming the base would be the righteous thing to do. If some big hombre's that looked the part dressed up as sheriff's deputies, including some dressed in SWAT outfits, the job could be done prior to security figuring out that the raiders were other than as advertised. My guess is that the security personel, upon seeing the raiders, would immediately scramble to evacuate DM if he was there out some sort of special back door exit ... some tunnel leading off the property, perhaps. Or they would scramble to destroy evidence. They would NOT go for their guns to fight back, more than likely. HOWEVER ... the outcome of the raid would likely not be too favorable.

First ... the alleged inmates in "the hole" are very likely to have been moved elsewhere sometime ago in the event of some sort of police action or false police action. Second ... there would probably be only a few people still at the base at this point. Third ... of those who are, in fact, inmates, it is likely that none would admit that they are there against their will. They would alibi for DM and the Cof$, stating that it was their will to be there, everything was peachy keen, even as they appeared to be dying. The would have been programmed to respond that way. That probably includes Heber. Fourth ... there would be some severe blowback/police investigations/arrests/lawsuits ... the worst of it being that they could then, at least temporarily, play the poor persecucted misunderstood religion game CREDIBLY.

It would be great to get some current intel regarding what is going on at the int base in real time. My guess is not much at all, I suspect that the real action has been moved to a more secure location at this point.

Pete
 
So you're saying they CAN shoot us all? :p

It wouldn't suprise me if the report is true that there are people trained to defend the base in the event of a raid. I know they had specially trained SO members toting rifles and pistols on FLB because I saw them with my own eyes, and I was told that during the LA riots specially trained SO members were in charge of protecting the churches in CA. I tend to reject the notion that all SO members or large numbers of them are trained for combat, though, simply because giving slaves access to and know how of weaponry and close quarter combat skills seems really, really stupid from a slavemaster's POV.

It's no wonder why the FBI is leery of raiding these bastards after Waco Texas and all. It could really get ugly. :no:
 

Purple Rain

Crusader
What I don't understand is how a sheriff can help a mother get her kid out of Narconon but not help a brother get a man out of Scientology? Heber made it clear to his brother that he doesn't want to be there. At the minimum they should take him to a neutral place for questioning to make sure he is not being held against his will. There is obviously just not the same political will there for law enforcement in that jurisdiction to help rescue people being held in captivity.
 
What I don't understand is how a sheriff can help a mother get her kid out of Narconon but not help a brother get a man out of Scientology? Heber made it clear to his brother that he doesn't want to be there. At the minimum they should take him to a neutral place for questioning to make sure he is not being held against his will. There is obviously just not the same political will there for law enforcement in that jurisdiction to help rescue people being held in captivity.

While I like the idea of "rescuing" this man from an intolerable situation, I also think, hey....he's no saint and karma is truly a bitch. http://youtu.be/5cX4YpHHcfE
 

Purple Rain

Crusader
While I like the idea of "rescuing" this man from an intolerable situation, I also think, hey....he's no saint and karma is truly a bitch. http://youtu.be/5cX4YpHHcfE

Well, in different situations some people lean more towards forgiveness and others more to punishment. I'm not saying either approach is superior - sometimes both are warranted. I just prefer that punishment is decided in a court of law rather than at the whim of a self-appointed tyrant.
 

NoName

A Girl Has No Name
Truly, you can say karma's a bitch for Mike Rinder, Marty Rathbun, Debbie Cook, and everyone else who was in the Hole.

Debbie certainly pulled it in with what she did to that Italian girl, but we certainly didn't mind Debbie throwing a pity party for herself on the stand and airing the cult's dirty laundry when it seemed like she was going to be The One.

Jus' sayin'.....
 

Smilla

Ordinary Human
While I like the idea of "rescuing" this man from an intolerable situation, I also think, hey....he's no saint and karma is truly a bitch. http://youtu.be/5cX4YpHHcfE

When it comes to an old man who is cut off from his family, kept prisoner, mentally and possibly physically abused, I don't care much about his history. His welfare is as important as that of any other older person.
 

Purple Rain

Crusader
Truly, you can say karma's a bitch for Mike Rinder, Marty Rathbun, Debbie Cook, and everyone else who was in the Hole.

Debbie certainly pulled it in with what she did to that Italian girl, but we certainly didn't mind Debbie throwing a pity party for herself on the stand and airing the cult's dirty laundry when it seemed like she was going to be The One.

Jus' sayin'.....

I just reject the whole notion of "pulling it in". Anyone who believes that is still thinking like a Scientologist IMHO.
 

Purple Rain

Crusader
I just reject the whole notion of "pulling it in". Anyone who believes that is still thinking like a Scientologist IMHO.

Actually maybe not the whole notion. I do think we "reap what we sow" and "what goes around comes around" but I also think that bad things happen to good people. I think good people can be lied to, tricked, destroyed and ruined utterly. I think everyone has dirty laundry, and although I am not a Christian I have some sympathy for the concept of letting those "without sin" cast the first stone. I also believe in accountability and justice, however. I suppose the whole thing's a bit of a mess that I have never thought through properly.
 
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