Heber's Ex Karen announces she's now out of CofS


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Man, this made my whole day.

Her story has the whole enforced abortion (of her grandchild) and all that rot in it. Ick.


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We’ve told Miscavige time and again, do not mess with a mother’s nature. Try as we have, he just won’t listen.

He now has Karen De La Carriere/Jentzsch to deal with. Karen is an empire builder; she excels at acquiring territory and turf . She is a true friend to LRH and a legend from the early years of the Sea Org. Today, she is a very successful and influential businesswoman, internationally recognized as a leading expert in her field. We consider Karen one of our dearest friends and a highly valuable player in the Independence movement.

- Mike and Marty

"I have done a huge amount of soul searching and given a lot thought to exiting DM’s “church”. It is not easy to make such a decision to walk away from what has been an integral part of your life for decades. I had planned to withdraw my support (and stop the considerable flow of funds I had poured into the Church) and remain relatively quiet behind the scenes. But then everything changed, when once again, the Church of MEST decided to try to destroy my family.

Let me provide just a little background to put things in context.

Flagship Apollo

In the early 70′s I traveled to the Flag Ship Apollo as a public. I took just one suitcase, for a planned 10 day stay. I had trained up through Class VIII at Saint Hill in the UK and decided to celebrate my graduation with a Mediterranean Cruise and some auditing. And I also really did want to meet LRH.

A ship is a tight knit group and everyone gets to know the comings and goings. I had barely been aboard 3- 4 days when one of the first LRH Watch Messengers (someone who was with LRH for 8 hours a day), Janis Gillham, found me in the bowels of the ship. She had a message from the Commodore. I looked up at her startled that she knew my name. Her message was: “The Commodore asked if you have finished your auditing, and if so, would you like to join the Sea Organization?” I was silent for a moment. I felt a rush of excitement. My life was about to change in one second. I told Janis to tell the Commodore I would be honored to join his team. About 20 minutes later I met LRH on the Promenade Deck and received his congratulations. Janis told me later she knew of no other person who was invited to join the Sea Org personally by LRH.

And boy, I sure have some rare LRH stories to tell. I must tell them on this blog. The LRH Biography staff spent 2 days debriefing me for these stories about 3 years ago. Of course they will be deleted now that I am a Proud SP. So I will preserve these anecdotes for posterity on Marty’s blog. And based on the track record of Miscavige, the Biography will never be completed anyway as the person who is supposed to be writing it is instead his personal speechwriter.

I soon discovered that a “Field Class VIII” did not mean a Flag Class VIII. And so I re-did all my internships and then trained up to Class XII with LRH as the CS overlooking the folders and giving final TR passes. I won several “Auditor of the Year” awards and was personally commended by LRH 9 times. I was a high producer as part of LRH’s Flag technical team. I am the last LRH trained Class XII that belonged to Church of Miscavology. All other XIIs died, left the Church, or were declared. And now, I will proudly join the ranks of those who have been declared for withdrawing their support for the SP that is destroying the life’s work of LRH.

You can’t teach an old dog new tricks

I am sure you can imagine my reaction first to the “Golden Age of Tech” and then to “The Basics” events where DM in his infinite arrogance put down and invalidated all prior training and auditing. A relative handful of us kept the delivery high and the Gross Income rolling in, month after month, year in and year out. Half a dozen Class XIIs were the main source of income for the FSO. We kept the ship afloat with delivery of the Ls and other auditing, so LRH could continue his research and overlook and guide Scientology’s growth and impact. I sat at those events and literally watched Miscavige assume the (false) position of the new Messiah. HE WAS GOING TO IMPROVE ON LRH!

Those of us who worked on LRH lines knew very well, that LRH did not sell botched overt products. Every single facet and characteristic of LRH was to improve and upgrade the quality of life as best he knew. Now, in strutted Mr. Arrogance to inform everyone that they were incompetent, out tech, unknowing fools and that he had slaved feverishly to correct all the mistakes LRH had made (of course, there was a lot of PR and hype, but read through the bs and this is what he was saying). I audited 1000s of hours under LRH. I called FNs the way LRH wrote the definition. Not the David Miscavige definition. All those Ls and special Flag Rundowns delivered throughout the 1970s and 1980s did not incorporate the DM definition. In those years, I do not recall a single request for refund, missed withhold or trouble made for the pc in all the people I audited.

This is not to say I did not live a life of dread. The registrars David Light, Sonia Jacques etc. would get the Tours to sell huge blocks of auditing to No-Case Gain pcs. They were all dumped in the Class XII HGC for a miracle cure. I was the Class XII C/S. Jeff Walker, the Senior CS and I lived a life of daily combat over this. The stats of Flag Service Org were climbing nicely and Jeff wanted all pcs handled in the Class XII HGC. I was concerned about the well-being of LRH’s org and not to create a disaster with an illegal pc. I saw the future YEARS and YEARS before Lisa McPherson happened. It was just a matter of time. I cared very much to protect the Flag Land Base and on my watch, there was no death, no suicide, no one in my HGC under my CSing or auditing hit the skids.

Miscavige orders Heber to divorce me

Karen and Heber's wedding day

From early 1982 to 1987 I worked at OSA International. I had married Heber in 1978 and when he became President CSI in 1982 and was located in Los Angeles I transferred there to be with him. I had the grandiose title of “Presidential Aide” (Heber’s Assistant) One day I was summoned with Heber to INT base and it did not sound good. Upon arrival, Mike Sutter (then CO OSA Int) who had the previous week presented me with OSA “Staff Member of the Week” award, questioned me about a sentence I had told someone in FSO about Vicki Aznaran and Jesse Prince’s removal from RTC (Vicki was Inspector General). Even though this fact was Broad Public Issue a few days later, distributed in everyone’s in-basket, I paid for that goof dearly. I had committed out-security and this was used as a justification to destroy our marriage.

I was confined to the Int base and not allowed to return to Los Angeles to pick up a change of clothes. I did heavy deck work in the same underwear and dress for 10 days. It was humiliating. One sweats on the decks. It is HOT in Gilman Hot Springs. I was not ”trusted” to return to Los Angeles to pick up clothes and toiletries.

At this point, I spoke up. I went to Jackson, Security Chief (who posts here — Greetings Jackson!) and announced that nobody had the right to keep me against my will. I called it kidnap. I said they were breaking the laws of the land. I tend to speak up and meet things head on — I am not the silent suffering type. Well, that caused an explosion. My car keys were promptly taken away and I was put on increased hours of sec checking. And no surprise, that sec checking became wilder and wilder. Was I a psychiatric case? Had I been institutionalized? (LOL I had been in the Church since I was a teenager) Had I been implanted? Was I sent in by the FBI? Was I an IRS agent or plant? ROFL! Yes, I can laugh now. But it is not funny when this is run on you for hours, days, weeks and you cannot leave the base. It was 6 months of hell. Someone wrote on another site: “Under the totalitarian regime in Russia those that objected to the program were by definition ‘mentally ill’ as only a person who was mentally ill would be against the people’s paradise.” What a great quote. I was not “with the program,” therefore I must be psychiatric…….whoa. This is DM’s “Church.”

The years of performance, the stellar products, the Auditor of the Year awards year in and year out, all wiped out in one nanosecond. I did not agree to be kidnapped against my will at Int Base, therefore I must be psychiatric — even though I was one of 6 people on planet Earth that trained to Class XII CS. On reflection, those 6 months of kidnap and being imprisoned against my will at Int Base should have been reported to Law Enforcement at that time. But it would not occur to an SO member to do that. You just could not think that way when you are in, even though kidnap is a felony. I know now that was an overt because the same brutality has been repeated and even expanded in the 23 years since; witness the horrors of “the Hole” where Heber still resides.

I later learned from other sources that the whole 6 months incident was carrying out the DM order to get Heber to divorce me. Either get the evidence through sec checks that could be used to show him I was a plant or a psych case, or break me and make me act in a psychotic fashion that would prove it to him that way. Heber was sent to Germany and I was forbidden to use the phone, talk to Heber or talk to anyone other than my “handlers.” Lockdown.

Eventually the strategy worked. There was no way of fighting it.

Now, this was more than 20 years ago and DM has gotten progressively worse since. The Hole is a reflection of the insane deterioration of DM’s ability to see the value of a Staff Member. Especially a dedicated SO member.

In 1990 I routed out of the Sea Org. I endured months of Sec Checking but did all the right things on the route out. In 20 years it never occurred to me to be hostile towards the Church. I remained a “good” Scientologist, funding libraries, buying all the new releases, showing up at events, giving AOLA $250,000 in the space of 3 years, and even embroiling myself in things of a more confidential nature to support the Church. I’ve had 20 years since my departure from the Sea Org to step out of line. I never did. And when the inevitable doubts crept in, I would think of my time track with LRH and just keep on going.

Karen, after recovering from Int and succeeding in the business world.

Alexander Jentzsch and Office of Special Affairs

Heber and I had a son in 1984 — Alexander Jentzsch. He was born and raised in the Sea Org.

When Alexander was 11 years old (he had left the SO with me in 1990 when he was 6 and had then been regged to return to the SO when he was 10), Heber and I were both located in Los Angeles and Alexander was at Flag. He was being used as a child slave laborer at the Fort Harrison, with no schooling or study time – instead cleaning toilets and floors in the Fort Harrison lobby 10-12 hours a day. I called OSA multiple times to tell them this violated the laws of the land. Finally I threatened that if it was not handled I would fly to Clearwater and extract him myself. OSA put him on a plane to Los Angeles within 24 hours.

Alexander was born in Scientology and knows nothing else. The culture is deeply embedded in him.

Fast forward to 3 years ago. Alexander is now married and his wife Andrea is pregnant. Pressure is brought to bear for an abortion. It is done skillfully – no heavy threats, but both are both taken off post and made to look at “the greatest good”. The message was loud and clear. Alexander called me multiple times a day as this goes down. All of the while his father, Heber, is uncontactable in lockdown in Miscavige’s Hole. In the end, Andrea had an abortion and they were returned to post. But she never gets over it and feels she has committed an overt of magnitude.

3 years later she is pregnant again. She really does want to be a mom. But now, times have changed. Claire and Mark Headley and Laura Decrescenzo’s lawsuits, media and the internet have caused the Church to re-think their enforced abortion policy.

This time Alexander and Andrea are routed out with ” love”. Kirsten Caetano, in charge of External Security at OSA, befriends Alexander in an unnatural, unheard of way. She arranges for his apartment rent to be paid. Helps arrange and approves him working for a Scientologist owned company at a very high wage, and gives him lots of sympathy and compassion. She strokes his feathers every way she can. He is given $3500 after he signs a bunch of documents on video. God knows he signed his life away, though of course the documents are worthless and Alexander was not given a copy of what he signed.

Psych Ops.

I keep hearing from Alexander how WONDERFUL Kirsten is. She gives him all her phone numbers: berthing, cell and work, and she is just a click away on email. Ahhhhhhhh. Feel the love….

Then Marty and Mike posted the blog on Heber (http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2010/04/04/). Alexandar has a huge ongoing upset that Heber has not seen him in 6 YEARS. Even though he is a dedicated Sea Org member and can put up with a lot “for the cause”, it makes no sense to him (it shouldn’t) that he cannot see or talk to his father. It is a BIG button. Heber was born on October 30th 1935. He is 75 years old. And he is incarcerated at Int Base and he has been for years. Miscavige has not permitted any family time for Heber to see Alexander.

But the magic of Marty’s blog. Within 36 hours of that posting, Heber comes down to Los Angeles and spends 8 hours with Alexander for the first time in 6 years. Heber has a cell phone number he gives Alexander and promises to attend a family re-union of his brothers and sisters in August with Alexander.

Wow, what a change! Thanks Marty and Mike!

Scroll forward to a few days ago. I ask Alexander if he wished Heber “Happy Father’s Day”. He said he had called but could not get through. Heber no longer has a cell phone. And when he calls Alexander back he informs him that he will not be going to the family reunion, but will see Alexander next… at Christmas!!

I am outraged and try to communicate about this but Alexander shuts me down. I feel Kirsten’s presence in the comm cycle. How dare I question authority or hint that there may be something wrong in the world of Miscavige! The Thought Police scrambled into action.

Last night, Alexander was directed by his OSA handlers to guide me to an entheta site on line (entheta about Marty, Mike and even me). He actually tried to get me to read entheta about myself!! I will not tolerate my son being manipulated against me and when he began screaming at me to “get my shit squared away with OSA or lose him as a son,” I knew that the body snatchers had him firmly in their grasp. For any that think I am in error airing private mother/son stuff on the web, the scene of the church infiltrating and turning my son against me is something that must be exposed.

Mike Rinder went through this when 7 people assaulted him in that parking lot. His own daughter, Taryn, was screaming at him for being an SP.

The internet backlash as a result was enormous. People found the behavior of the C of M appalling and horrifying. But, the leopard cannot change his spots. Just another OSA op. Seems the latest ploy is a new twist on “family leverage” that would make Terl proud. But, once again, they have delivered a massive footbullet. I was content to withdraw my support at the start of 2010 and remain relatively quiet. All that changed yesterday. If OSA thought they would control me by using Alexander as a pawn, it backfired.

Every time Alexander is used by OSA I will faithfully post every detail on the web, so that the “Office of COB” can see that the world knows and understands their dirty tricks.

Sometimes it is fun to be underestimated.

But we live in a world of instant digital communication. Marty’s site gets 50,000 hits a WEEK !

We can let sunshine disinfect.

My life is good now. I am highly successful, healthy, wealthy and wise. I have no doubt who my true and dear friends are – they are the people who read this blog every day. And I have no doubt that I will dedicate myself to preventing the destruction of LRH’s legacy by the SP David Miscavige. This is my Doubt Formula announcement.

Anyone who wants to contact me privately can do so at: [email protected]. Home page: Karendelac.com."


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Yes, the CofS's prez had no grandchildren for years because of coerced abortions. This. Is. Huge.

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Public departure from the cult, but not it's "technology" of mind control and brainwashing! :confused2:

It absolutely kills me every time I read someone, any one glorifying hubbard. The man enjoyed watching people thrown overboard on his ship and was reported by his son and his own letter to be using too many amphetamines and drinking too much booze. Then he dies after the last two of many strokes over 15 years, ending his chronic pancreaitis and chronic allergies: the discoverer of the only hope for mankind? Bah! He was a drug user! A satanist! At least schizophrenic and probably delusional! Chronically sick. A criminal, hiding from the law. Marty's blog, still based on the following of the works of this man gets 50,000 hits a week? He is STILL being deified? HF!!!

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Post by Jeff Hawkins at Leaving Scientology: Karen De La Carriere Steps Out:
My dear friend Karen De La Carriere has finally come out publicly – read her post on Marty’s site.

I’ve known Karen for over 30 years, and she’s always been a class act – a woman of rare integrity, intelligence and honesty. It is a credit to her loyalty to Scientology and her patience that she put up with Miscavige for as long as she did. But of course the Church pushed it too far, using her son, Alexander Jentzsch, against her. And so Miscavige has created another enemy – something he is very good at.

Karen knows she has my full support.

And to Alexander Jentzsch – please, you are smarter than that, you are more perceptive than that. Can’t you see how you are being used? How long are you going to let them use family against family to exact control? Your mother is a rare and special woman, and I think you know that in your heart. Well, let your heart lead you.

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Public departure from the cult, but not it's "technology" of mind control and brainwashing! :confused2:

I say it's a start!!! Whether she ever gets *completely out* or not....at least it's a 'start' ya know? :thumbsup:

It took me quite a while (years) to fully leave it *lock, stock and barrel*

Some can up and drop it immediately, others take time.
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More from Karen.

She was Senior CS CC INT:
Karen#1 // June 30, 2010 at 2:58 am | Reply

Thanks Chris.
I was Senior CS CC INT (or CCLA as it was known then) for about a year when it was on La Brea. Perhaps you knew me then ?

Heber is still in the SP hole:
Karen#1 // June 30, 2010 at 3:02 am | Reply

Greetings David.
Thanks very much indeed for the “Free Heber” site.

He is still in the SP Hole.
From all accounts David Miscavige hates Heber.
I endured hell up at INT Base for 6 months.

Heber has endured it for 6 years….

We might be hearing more from Karen:
Karen#1 // June 30, 2010 at 3:13 am | Reply

Watching Eyes,

Thank you. I do believe you are right on.
I was greatly misjudged.

I have a huge amount of trump cards in my back pocket and am waiting to see what”Office of COB” will do next…….

Karen has "horror stories" to tell:
Karen#1 // June 30, 2010 at 3:16 am | Reply

Dear Maurice,

I glossed over much of my horror stories. All in good time…. Thanks Maurice.

Yes, she wants to be an Independent:
Karen#1 // June 30, 2010 at 3:20 am | Reply

Thank you Meisha.
Where do I go to sign up as an independent?
Is there another site or only Steve Halls
Leaving Scientology?”

She was a BIG earner... and OSA and DM blew it in the last 48 hours:
Karen#1 // June 30, 2010 at 3:26 am | Reply

Gary ~~

The FSO flew me all over the world for some 3 years as Guest Speaker for the Flag World Tours.

An eval was done, and on survey I was considered Top Speaker and Top Money earner for FSO. I received many trophy jackets and shirts with the legend

I have earned my stripes. I contributed massively to FSO from the time we landed in Daytonna til 1982

OSA and DM utterly blew it in the last 48 hours……

It should not have come to this. i.e. Alexander and me.

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More on Heber:
Karen#1 // June 30, 2010 at 4:31 am | Reply

Thanks Bobo.

Heber was married to the legendary Yvonne Jentzsch at the time he was DG CCLA. I have hear so very many stories about that time.

Yes, Heber is still imprisoned.
He told Alexander that he would be travelling all around promoting the Purification Rundown when he met with Alexander for the first time in 6 years after Mike and Marty did the blog.

It sounds like that that is cancelled. DM is scared to let Heber move out and freely.
Heber has seen the madness…….
martyrathbun09 // June 30, 2010 at 4:33 am

And the fact DM has scotched the plan indicates Heber – after six years of attitude adjustment – is still not under DM’s thumb.

Her son Alexander is reading the Internet:
Karen#1 // June 30, 2010 at 4:33 am | Reply

Thank you Steve.

Alexander is reading the Internet now.
You cannot “un-ring the bell” or put the toothpaste back in the tube……

And legendary ED of the Saint Hill Sized Orange County Org wound up selling paintings on the street for $10:
Karen#1 // June 30, 2010 at 4:37 am | Reply

I have fond memories of Claire and John Woodruff. I helped out Claire as a CS throughout 1979.

I was horrified at what was done to John Woodruff the ED of the truly booming Orange County Org.

He ended up selling $10 paintings on the street…..

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More from Karen.

In a feisty mood... and a mystery sandwich:
Karen#1 // June 30, 2010 at 4:48 am | Reply

Natalie :

DM’s dirty tricks will be exposed in real time.

This should not be a “Reality Show”.. as we are protecting LRH’s legacy from a madman.

There was a time when OSA would haul in someone for a minor offense, like talking to someone in “bad standing.”

Look how their power is diffused. Thousands of people read their shenanigans in present time as it rolls out. The public share their deepest thoughts. Free Speech and the Internet are here to stay.

I have thrown down the gauntlet. I know how to play the game.

All bets are off. Any time DM throws gasoline on this fire, I know what to do….

If you only knew who else is reading this site….