Hell In a Hand Basket~~~

[cinamingrl]

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Exactly. And exactly why they have to recruit kids before they have a chance to learn basic logic and understanding.

Yeah this is so sad and wrong. I'd do everything I could to keep any child I had from joining. I think I'd commit pyro crimes on the place. My mother threw a fit when I got involved. But I was already an adult. I feel very angry about the adults who had children while on staff of the SO, and their kids are just born into it.

There was a SO girl who came to our org twice. She expected to be driven around, by me. I said no. I asked her about her life in the SO in L.A. She said she didn't even had a license to drive. I asked her "why not?" She said that she doesnt need one. "why not" again I said. She only said that everything she needs is right there in the area and she had no other place she needs to go. Both her parents were SO. I find that just so bizarre and freaky.

 

[Wisened One]

Yeah, they tried to recruit my then-12-yr old daughter into the SO once. I think the story may be in my thread (link in my siggy).

Bastards.

 

[cinamingrl]

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This is a very sad story; There was a younger kid at the SAc org while I was on staff who committe suicide. He was only about 15 when he did it. He had been recruited into the SO and couldn't "cut it". So was sent back to the org. He went back to his life, school and got a job even. He shot himself in the head, right around the time I was leaving staff. His mother was a public and was married to a public scient. I don't want to write his name here. But he was a very sweet kid. He used to be very compassionate. Even knew when I was upset and asked me what was wrong. He said once to me "I can see you are upset and I care about you. So tell me what is wrong". I never forgot that. So when I heard from one of my "friends" he actually told me about it in a nasty way, saying this kid deserved it. And that is what he gets or some such rude words. I recall that this kid was always being verbally abused by the cow I mentioned ealier, she was always on him. I don't even know what for. I will never forget and never miss the uncompassionate and callousness of the scientologists that I knew.

 

[Wisened One]

Wow.

 

[Art]

Cinamingrl,

Read your story with interest. Question - have you tried nosing around Warner Bros or Disney or other animation studios? I know little about the "office politics / connections / employment" picture, but your artwork looks very good for that. There are people I know who paint and have put in their time to establish themselves as artists, but I don't recall seeing anyone with your talent for the particular kind of work you do, and yours might be "commercially viable" in a studio. Children's books and greeting cards are other possible outlets, already established (don't sign any lifetime contracts

I'm really too tempted to make a couple of personal suggestions to you - all of which are evaluative. Most of the time, I'd say the opposite to this, but I really think you say "yes" too easily, and should consider yourself FIRST. And maybe hang out with more of the better people you meet - you seem to have done better with decent folks who have their acts together. I understand your charitable impulses, but there is no need for you to take on "hitchhikers" in your life. I'm not suggesting a dramatic change by any means, and I'm happy to read you are doing much better than before, just offering something for you to consider, gradually. I really couldn't help a feeling of injustice reading about the circumstances under which you lost your house, and the associations you had at the time.

Stay strong, keep your integrity,
Best,
Art.

 

[cinamingrl]

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Cinamingrl,

Read your story with interest. Question - have you tried nosing around Warner Bros or Disney or other animation studios? I know little about the "office politics / connections / employment" picture, but your artwork looks very good for that. There are people I know who paint and have put in their time to establish themselves as artists, but I don't recall seeing anyone with your talent for the particular kind of work you do, and yours might be "commercially viable" in a studio. Children's books and greeting cards are other possible outlets, already established (don't sign any lifetime contracts

I'm really too tempted to make a couple of personal suggestions to you - all of which are evaluative. Most of the time, I'd say the opposite to this, but I really think you say "yes" too easily, and should consider yourself FIRST. And maybe hang out with more of the better people you meet - you seem to have done better with decent folks who have their acts together. I understand your charitable impulses, but there is no need for you to take on "hitchhikers" in your life. I'm not suggesting a dramatic change by any means, and I'm happy to read you are doing much better than before, just offering something for you to consider, gradually. I really couldn't help a feeling of injustice reading about the circumstances under which you lost your house, and the associations you had at the time.

Stay strong, keep your integrity,
Best,
Art.

Hi and thanks. I worked for Disney for a while. I didn't like that company. They don't treat their employees very well, and it's a union company. I'd have to start out at the bottom. Not my cup of tea.

Yes I am finally realizing I can't waste time on "hitchhikers". It's something I've done in the past. But no more.

 

[cinamingrl]

addition to post

I hope we can add to our story as we want to;

I wanted to say that the days weeks and months after I actually left that org were probably the most difficult. In that I lived on the property of the SP's ED and the HCO guy who was the ED's wife. There were a couple of older guys who I shared a small house with. One was an X-SO member who didn't work. The other was an alcholic artist, x-staff member. And I'd gotten a job immediatley at a company where I'd temp'd while on staff. But the strangest things were happening. I think I was being 'fair-gamed' without realizing it. One morning I went out and looked at my oil and the oil level in my car was empty. Someone had literally opened the hood of my car and stole the cap off the oil pan at the engine. I was so angry and immediately took my car to the car repair and got it filled with oil and bought a cap. Then I also remember that when the call from my job came, that someone deleted the call from the company saying that they wanted me to come in for hiring. The reason I found this out was because I did a follow up call to the company and the manager said that she had left me a message. And the telephone was mine, and in my name. So they were fucking with me and my chance for an income to survive.

What I like about this was that they could not stop me. I endured, even though there were people who were actively getting in my way and putting obstacles in my way to hinder me. I moved on, and then moved out. As soon as I was away from the likes of those freaks I felt my life get better, instantly. Another sign that these were bad people. They were ruining my life. I'd finally had it. And they would not let go of me. But I extracted myself from them and walked away with class.

I really do think that these people, the ED and her husband and all the group of sickos who were surrounding her at that org were some seriously demented bunch of humans. I can say this for sure now. I had heard that the best revenge is to live well. And during that year I even earned enough to buy a car, one with a lock on the hood so they could not open it and screw with my engine. And I didn't tell them where I'd gone. That was done intentionally.

I have no love loss for any of the people I knew on staff at that time. Absolutely none. I am sure that if I saw them in present time that I'd have nothing to say to them. I would laugh inside.

 

[Art]

I have no love loss for any of the people I knew on staff at that time. Absolutely none. I am sure that if I saw them in present time that I'd have nothing to say to them. I would laugh inside.

Hi, Cinamingrl,

Good for you, keeping your head clear of the bad guys. You go for your future, the way you see things, and keep laughing inside from time to time. I know it's kind of a tricky concept to get a real reality on, but you are a better being.

Btw, didn't know that you had already treid Disney. I'd also heard that they start their new people doing backgrounds. Still, nose around some - you have really cool talent.

Best,
Art.

 

[degraded being]

Exactly. And exactly why they have to recruit kids before they have a chance to learn basic logic and understanding.

Exactly why the Catholics and other Christians and all sorts of religiions love to get kids early too. They know damn well that they can use the child's lack of reasoning, and it's need for support and love as a way to implant stuff to keep it in control. Many parents do it and their religion does not have to be a cult.

 

[Zinjifar]

Strangely enough, it was the reasoning and logical skills taught to me during Catholic education that moved me beyond Catholic belief (and membership.)

I think that's a common occurance.

Zinj

 

[Good twin]

Yes, most ExScientologists started unraveling Scientology with Scientology.

Strangely enough, it was the reasoning and logical skills taught to me during Catholic education that moved me beyond Catholic belief (and membership.)

I think that's a common occurance.

Zinj

 

[cinamingrl]

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Exactly why the Catholics and other Christians and all sorts of religiions love to get kids early too. They know damn well that they can use the child's lack of reasoning, and it's need for support and love as a way to implant stuff to keep it in control. Many parents do it and their religion does not have to be a cult.

That's bull s h i t. I went to Catholic school and am so grateful that I got the good education that I did in Catholic school. The public school system is horrendous. I am sure that I would have ended up a 'db' had I not gone to Catholic school.

The Catholic church has been around for a long long time.

Implant stuff? What "Stuff"? This comment is the epitome of insanity. The "stuff" that I learned was the "stuff" that I now use in my life. "Stuff" like learning to read, write and how to actually believe in God and pray. I never learned that "stuff" while in the cult of scientology. I am thinking that if it weren't for my Catholic upbringing that I may have been totally brainwashed by that cult, and maybe would have never been able to leave.

Don't f u c k i n g get me going.

 

[cinamingrl]

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Yes, most ExScientologists started unraveling Scientology with Scientology.

I actually lived in a convent. It was by far the most serene place I ever lived. I lived with nuns for a while. I had a beautiful room on the 3rd floor in a huuuge building that used to be a theology school, next to a hospital. I had free medical care if I needed it. I also paid only 15% of my income for my rent fees. And I had my telephone and free cable. And they are actually paying for my college expenses and books. If I want I think I can go for a Master's degree.

And no, it wasn't for Catholics only. There were other women there who were not even religious. Some were what you all call 'db's' who had been in prison or beaten up by their husbands and needed a save haven to live and get it together. Would the freakin' c of s ever do that for anybody? I think not.

 

[degraded being]

That's bull s h i t. I went to Catholic school and am so grateful that I got the good education that I did in Catholic school. The public school system is horrendous. I am sure that I would have ended up a 'db' had I not gone to Catholic school.

The Catholic church has been around for a long long time.

[I did not say anything about the quality of education. My opinion is that Catholic high schools give a good quality education. I agree many public (non catholic schools can be rough. There are some good ones though. They are not by any means all bad. The fact that the Catholic church has been around a long time is irrelevant. Actually if you studied the "long time they have beeen around" how could you not see the control they have insisted upon having in people's lives. They have a bit less control these days because people have woken up and stopped accepting the garbage (religious indoctrination.)
I also think that the Catholics tried to instill some values which I am in complete agreement with. And many Catholic teachers, nuns, "brothers" etc are selfless, caring people. But that's irrelevant too.

They implant BS about their God and the rest of it. And they still insist their "Pope" is connected to God in a way that no other humen is. They preach the need to feel guilty.

I do not have to deny any of the good things about them to say this.

 

[cinamingrl]

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That's bull s h i t. I went to Catholic school and am so grateful that I got the good education that I did in Catholic school. The public school system is horrendous. I am sure that I would have ended up a 'db' had I not gone to Catholic school.

The Catholic church has been around for a long long time.

I did not say anything about the quality of education. My opinion is that Catholic high schools give a good quality education. I agree many public (non catholic schools can be rough. There are some good ones though. They are not by any means all bad. The fact that the Catholic church has been around a long time is irrelevant.

It may be irrelevant to you, it isn't irrelevant to me.

Actually if you studied the "long time they have beeen around" how could you not see the control they have insisted upon having in people's lives. They have a bit less control these days because people have woken up and stopped accepting the garbage (religious indoctrination.)

"religious indoctination"? Oh puleeze, you need to be checked.

I also think that the Catholics tried to instill some values which I am in complete agreement with. And many Catholic teachers, nuns, "brothers" etc are selfless, caring people. But that's irrelevant too.

Oh okay......

They implant BS about their God and the rest of it. And they still insist their "Pope" is connected to God in a way that no other humen is. They preach the need to feel guilty.

"they" do huh? the "need" to feel guilty...... ? I don't recall ever being "preached" to about the "need to feel guilty". And in response to this comment, guilt is a normal "human" feeling, when a person has done something they consider to be wrong. I have found that people who are even a little bit religious, have a conscience. This fact was not present among my scientology "friends".

I can tell by what you say, that you are not religious. this is the particularly frightening idea and thinking that was so........what is the word I am looking for..........so................f u c k e d up about scientology. The way that the cult tried to pass themselves off as a religion.

I do not have to deny any of the good things about them to say this.

K, whatever.

 

[Pixie]

Exactly why the Catholics and other Christians and all sorts of religiions love to get kids early too. They know damn well that they can use the child's lack of reasoning, and it's need for support and love as a way to implant stuff to keep it in control. Many parents do it and their religion does not have to be a cult.

I agree with this. No human being ought to be stamped with a label as soon as they enter the world. They ought to be able to find their own spiritual path in life if indeed that is what they need to do. And for sure they implant stuff. My best friend in Ireland went to a convent of nuns for her schooling, and one of the things she was taught was that worms will never enter a catholic graveyard, only a protestant one. I knew women that were warned if they had any more children they'd die, but still not allowed contraception as it was 'against the religion'. However it was as is well documented now for the priests to fuck children and get away with it. Don't get me started.

 

[Lermanet_com]

from the "It's worse than you think" department...

Later, many years after I was gone and living in O.C. I wrote a letter to someone in Sacramento in the justice Dept. of the State. I complained about the org in Sact. I got a letter back saying that the State has no jurisdiction over 'religious' organizations. So that I should find a private legal council. This is one of the loopholes that they use. They are not really a church. Churches as I know them speak about God. And they pray. The c of s is really collecting bad Karma by pretending to be a 'religion'. Who gave them that right, was it the IRS?

Thanks for your story, the part of your quote that I bolded, is due to a Bill forced through the legislature by cult forces including Synanon, known as The Petris Bill 1423..My mentor, Ms Ida Camburn, who was involved in the CFF, Citizens Freedom Foundation, which was the beginnings of what later became The Cult Awareness network, CAN, which was destroyed and then its assets purchased by $cn in a bankruptcy, Ida describes her experience trying to stop that bill, that would have allowed the attorney General to help YOU, from becoming law HERE

"Later in l980 I went to a hearing in Sacramento concerning Bill 1423. This bill was passed and remains today. This bill was introduced by Senator Petris of the Marin county area. The passing of the bill took away the A/G of Calif right to prosecute any crime in an organization with "religious" license. Prior to attending the hearing I had written to each member on the committee. Henrietta Crampton came from S. Calif. to also attend. We went with a Moonie parent who was also interested in this bill. "

More on the page linked above

 

[thetanic]

I actually lived in a convent. It was by far the most serene place I ever lived. I lived with nuns for a while. I had a beautiful room on the 3rd floor in a huuuge building that used to be a theology school, next to a hospital. I had free medical care if I needed it. I also paid only 15% of my income for my rent fees. And I had my telephone and free cable. And they are actually paying for my college expenses and books. If I want I think I can go for a Master's degree.

And no, it wasn't for Catholics only. There were other women there who were not even religious. Some were what you all call 'db's' who had been in prison or beaten up by their husbands and needed a save haven to live and get it together. Would the freakin' c of s ever do that for anybody? I think not.

I went to a Catholic university where there was a retirement nunnery, and I went over to visit the retired nuns, who sit and write letters to people who'd graduated. They were some of the coolest women I'd ever met.

When I heard about the reasons they (and some of their forebears) had become nuns, it was amazing. Some became nuns because it was the only way they could be scientists. Or travel as historians. It gave them interesting freedoms and constraints, and we tend to see constraints.

It opened my eyes to what religious community should be about vs. what the CoS has.

 

[cinamingrl]

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I went to a Catholic university where there was a retirement nunnery, and I went over to visit the retired nuns, who sit and write letters to people who'd graduated. They were some of the coolest women I'd ever met.

When I heard about the reasons they (and some of their forebears) had become nuns, it was amazing. Some became nuns because it was the only way they could be scientists. Or travel as historians. It gave them interesting freedoms and constraints, and we tend to see constraints.

It opened my eyes to what religious community should be about vs. what the CoS has.

Yes, thank you. This also is what I found to be true. I could not have said it better myself.

 

[feline]

Cinnamon- this is just my perspective, kay?

People can get so burned by religion that they become permanently cynical or simply choose to no longer believe. I get that. I have seen it happen- we all have on this board.

Don't let Zinj spin you up on the Catholic thing. His perspective is different from yours and what I hear is that the two of you don't share a perspective. That's okay.

It is really important that you experience your own healing process and that you take the good things and hold them close while successfully letting go of the bad things. No one else's opinion is as important as yours when the subject is what it takes for you to heal.

I'm just glad to know that there were people available to help you through all of this. You've been through the rain. Time for some sunshine in your life.