Help me write back to Sea Org Regg - just sent me an e-mail.

[Idle Morgue]

I would like to get your feedback regarding what to do to deliver the biggest blow to Flag Regg who just e-mailed me and asked me where I was, was there an upset with Scientology or Flag . They really want to help me get sorted out and get back on the Bridge to total smash!! Wow - they told me they "have their attention units" on me. *please translate what this really means. (need a stat?) What happens behind the iron curtain for the Sea Orger's and why are they all of sudden contacting me after so long?

Now, to deliver the best blow, do I:

1. Ignore and send to spam.
2. Write back - tell them to fuck off
3. Fuck around with them pretending to be interested and get them going ....hang the bait that I am interested in coming back for services - and then tell them the deal is off - then tell them I am coming and then tell them I can't - my dog has the sniffles...
4. Tell them I am now a Muslim - I am back to my religion that I was born into and I really appreciate the study tech I learned in scientology because now I can study my religion and really understand it

Help me es pee's - what is going to fuck with their certainty about scientology? What is going to be a blow - the thing that gets them to doubt while they are there?

This is fun!! I have no "comm" from any clams in so long - my heart started to race when I saw the e-mail.:wink2:

 

[Mimsey Borogrove]

Tell the Reg that "Hy Levy died for your sins" -and if you did some research you could find his coming out article posted on Marty's site and attach it.

Mimsey

 

[Idle Morgue]

Mimsey - I am not "declared" and have gotten those in - OUT so I don't want to get declared YET :wink2:... I would love to say lots of things but that is not going to help them really - they will just "declare" me and then shun. I want to do damage - ultimate damage and maybe help this guy get out.

Do you think that would do it? The sea ogre regg may not even know HY. He might but has been DA on HY. Hy was declared probably and his masterbating incidents were posted on the Sea Org Staff lunch "closet" (where there is no table or chairs to sit, no fridge, no water - just a closet where the sea ogre can eat their lunch (bag of peanuts from vending machine off base) this is where the sea org members eat their rice and beans on their 10 minute lunch/dinner break from their 16 hour work day.

 

[CommunicatorIC]

To be honest, I really think you should ignore it and send it to spam. That is by far the safest thing for you.

But if you really do want to penetrate and do damage, my suggestion is Debbie Cook's letter. Even a year later, I'm still reading reports of and from people who cite that letter as the thing that made the difference. It seems to be the thing that is most likely to be read, and not rejected out of hand, and penetrate. She is still remembered and respected.

Debbie Cook's Letter from Mike's website.
http://www.mikerindersblog.org/new-years-email-from-debbie-cook/

Some might object that it leads to Indieland, and doesn't immediately trash Hubbard and Scientology, but I very much I doubt that a SO Flag Reg would even read something like that, much less respond to it. Cook's letter might reach him.

My impression is that once people reach Indieland, most (not all) start thinking for themselves.

YMMV

 

[Freeminds]

Tempting though it is to give them a raspberry, I'm not sure that it's productive. Little that is at odds with the cult indoctrination breaks through the 'shell' that shields them from the real world... unless you're so subtle that it won't satisfy your desire to hit out.

Personally, I would ignore the message, and my reasoning is this:

Clams hate a mystery. Silence is a mystery; a loose end. Something incomplete. A Ronbot gets no stats from silence.

Furthermore, Clams are obsessed with maintaining lists. Which former members are where, what is their telephone number, etc. By failing to respond, I would avoid confirming that they have a valid channel of communication with me. It remains a mystery - just as they won't know whether I might be sucker enough to be hit up for more 'donations'.

I think you also need to keep in mind that you may be one of hundreds to get the same junk e-mail: it's nothing personal and you aren't actually "in comm" with a human being - nor even the Cult's approximation of one. This is just an enemy reconnaissance, not dialogue.

For my 2c, fuck 'em.

 

[Idle Morgue]

Here is part of the e-mail:

Hello,


  I am the Director of Training responsible for Flag’s Solo and OT Course Rooms. My purpose is to get each and every Clear, NED Case Completion and Power Completion in the Americas trained as a confident and competent Solo Auditor and through their Solo OT levels.


  Expert Solo training is the key to making it to full OT. With the Golden Age of Tech, your success is guaranteed. Truthfully, no matter how many doubts or uncertainties you may have (and we know you may have some), these absolutely get handled on Solo Part I with the Golden Age of Tech drills, our 100% standard word clearing and supervision. Trust me, everyone who does this course becomes a perfect Solo auditor upon completion (and not all of them really believed that when they started!) And I mean everyone – even someone who has never touched an E-meter before.

  Here’s the real point, you need to go OT with no more added time. It is a technical fact that you are at risk until through OT III. LRH says, “...anyone who is Clear but not OT III had better be pushed up to OT III fast because otherwise he is at risk.” The reference is C/S Series 73, The No-Interference Area Clarified and Re-enforced. This is not anything but a purely technical fact. You are at risk!


  An additional point for Clears is covered in C/S?Series 119, STALLED DIANETIC CLEAR: SOLVED, he states “Dianetic Clears who do not go up The Bridge are still subject to the vagaries and pressures of life.” - LRH. Let’s make this perfectly clear: Vagary is defined as an unpredictable, capricious or erratic action or occurrence. Pressure is defined as a constraining or compelling force or influence. Can you think of some vagaries or pressures in your life that you are being subjected to right now? Exactly. How do you handle these? By going OT now and ridding yourself of the very case that impinges on you day-in and day-out. Case you probably don’t even realize is there! And the first step is your Solo training.


  Here’s the secret to making it to OT: Decide to do it and make it your priority in spite of anything. Don’t worry about the schedule or the money, about any of the reasons why you can’t start now or that you need to get this or that under control first. Just set all that aside and DECIDE. That is THE first step. The second step is to contact me: Call, write or reply to this email.


  FLAG is on an all-out drive to get people through the Solo OT levels. We are forming a corps of Solo auditors 25 strong, so now is the time to do your Solo training! I am here to assist you, personally, in making it onto and through Solo I and to OT. I have helped a lot of pre-OTs make it, and I’ll assist you as well. You can count on it! All you have to do is arrive!

and . My response !

 

[Freeminds]

Why do I get the feeling that you are considered to be "at risk" of going off and spending your cash on something other than $cientology?

Perhaps LRH meant it only in the sense that the Scientology cult is at risk of losing a 'cash cow'.

The dirty old bastard.

 

[Reasonable]

3. Fuck around with them pretending to be interested and get them going ....hang the bait that I am interested in coming back for services - and then tell them the deal is off - then tell them I am coming and then tell them I can't - my dog has the sniffles...

YES do that get, give them a very long maybe. The peson will have you on their STAT list, the reg will be counting the money. Make sure to tell them that you got money! Inehritnace or some such thing so they think it is real. They will have you on thier battleplan. Then pull the rug out this week, then get them going next week , waste their time like they waste ours.

This will really casue them a real time suck and time is money, the time you waste will be money they don't get from someone else and it will crush their confidence in the ability to apply communication tech.

In fact if we all did this we could really tie them up.

 

[LurkerSyd]

Geez Mate,
Your "look-at-me" posts are boring the shit out of me. Ignore the emails like everyone else. Its easy. Get a Twitter account if you want some stroking.
Paul

 

[AnonyMary]

Here is part of the e-mail:

Hello,


  I am the Director of Training responsible for Flag’s Solo and OT Course Rooms. My purpose is to get each and every Clear, NED Case Completion and Power Completion in the Americas trained as a confident and competent Solo Auditor and through their Solo OT levels.


  Expert Solo training is the key to making it to full OT. With the Golden Age of Tech, your success is guaranteed. Truthfully, no matter how many doubts or uncertainties you may have (and we know you may have some), these absolutely get handled on Solo Part I with the Golden Age of Tech drills, our 100% standard word clearing and supervision. Trust me, everyone who does this course becomes a perfect Solo auditor upon completion (and not all of them really believed that when they started!) And I mean everyone – even someone who has never touched an E-meter before.

  Here’s the real point, you need to go OT with no more added time. It is a technical fact that you are at risk until through OT III. LRH says, “...anyone who is Clear but not OT III had better be pushed up to OT III fast because otherwise he is at risk.” The reference is C/S Series 73, The No-Interference Area Clarified and Re-enforced. This is not anything but a purely technical fact. You are at risk!


  An additional point for Clears is covered in C/S?Series 119, STALLED DIANETIC CLEAR: SOLVED, he states “Dianetic Clears who do not go up The Bridge are still subject to the vagaries and pressures of life.” - LRH. Let’s make this perfectly clear: Vagary is defined as an unpredictable, capricious or erratic action or occurrence. Pressure is defined as a constraining or compelling force or influence. Can you think of some vagaries or pressures in your life that you are being subjected to right now? Exactly. How do you handle these? By going OT now and ridding yourself of the very case that impinges on you day-in and day-out. Case you probably don’t even realize is there! And the first step is your Solo training.


  Here’s the secret to making it to OT: Decide to do it and make it your priority in spite of anything. Don’t worry about the schedule or the money, about any of the reasons why you can’t start now or that you need to get this or that under control first. Just set all that aside and DECIDE. That is THE first step. The second step is to contact me: Call, write or reply to this email.


  FLAG is on an all-out drive to get people through the Solo OT levels. We are forming a corps of Solo auditors 25 strong, so now is the time to do your Solo training! I am here to assist you, personally, in making it onto and through Solo I and to OT. I have helped a lot of pre-OTs make it, and I’ll assist you as well. You can count on it! All you have to do is arrive!

and . My response !

That looks like a standard form letter they send out to anyone on their list in the 'no interference zone'. junk mail as Freeminds stated. I wouldn't take it personally, even with your name on it. I would ignore it, since you said you are not ready to be declared, you can get back at them later There are bound to be more e-mails.

How did they get your e-mail address?

 

[Osiris]

I would be honest & a straight Shooter to what you really feel .... (you choose if this is the right thing for You to do)

Tell them you are now a very well respected member of ESMB, etc... (well I like you) & give them a link to this Board, & tell them you are now really happy to be out, & getting on with your life,

& then tell them that there are a few things I really feel an obligation to tell you about,

then List all the important things that changed your mind about Scientology since you have been out & give links to threads or anything else you can .....

Some information on Scientology's Beloved Founder, who died with drugs in his system, & quite the looney tunes, while trying not to be found by the authorities, etc....

& some stories of LRH & his wives, & his relationship with his son who committed suicide etc..etc...

Some links to the Scientological Onion, & the way Scientology is really structured etc.....

then some links to some of your favorite threads, maybe some from HH ..... you know the ones .... biggest lies in Scientology etc....etc ... etc ....

don't forget to mention the Crimes of Scientology & the cover-ups etc.. etc.. etc...

& the threads of the way Scientology has fooled & controlled you & hypnotized you etc.....etc...etc...

this is your opportunity to deliver the truth back to Scientology..... & maybe help the person who receives it ....or who ever reads it

& it will leave no doubt in their mind where you now stand, & what you believe, etc ...etc... etc...

I would write pages of the things that shows the true nature & purposes of Scientology & it's abuses .....


That is what I would like to do ....... but whether you think it is right or not is up to you .....


Now a word of warning ........

Also keep in mind ....... if you do send them, everything above ..... they may get their legal team to try & prepare a response to it ..... I don't know ?

But to not say your true feelings is just like putting it in the Spam bucket & ignore it ..... (maybe you could write it in a way you are comfortable with)

Anyway whatever you decide to do ....... you have my support ..... Good Luck


Edit: Even if you just write it for yourself & don't send it ......if you feel better that way .....

 

[In present time]

I would like to get your feedback regarding what to do to deliver the biggest blow to Flag Regg who just e-mailed me and asked me where I was, was there an upset with Scientology or Flag . They really want to help me get sorted out and get back on the Bridge to total smash!! Wow - they told me they "have their attention units" on me. *please translate what this really means. (need a stat?) What happens behind the iron curtain for the Sea Orger's and why are they all of sudden contacting me after so long?

Now, to deliver the best blow, do I:

1. Ignore and send to spam.
2. Write back - tell them to fuck off
3. Fuck around with them pretending to be interested and get them going ....hang the bait that I am interested in coming back for services - and then tell them the deal is off - then tell them I am coming and then tell them I can't - my dog has the sniffles...
4. Tell them I am now a Muslim - I am back to my religion that I was born into and I really appreciate the study tech I learned in scientology because now I can study my religion and really understand it

Help me es pee's - what is going to fuck with their certainty about scientology? What is going to be a blow - the thing that gets them to doubt while they are there?

This is fun!! I have no "comm" from any clams in so long - my heart started to race when I saw the e-mail.:wink2:

well i know how i finally got off their list once and for all. i responded to every communication, whether in writing or on the phone with genuine compassion and concern for the staff members personal well being. i talked their talk about dynamics and the greatest good. what really ENDED it all was when one little girl who was trying to sell me the basics ended up telling me she wished I WAS HER MOTHER! There was some very irate whispering in the background and then they hung up on me, but not before i told her she could keep my number and call me for help at any time. let them know that we wogs and sp's really do care about them. it blows their minds.

 

[Gadfly]

My suggestion is to just ignore them. Completely. As if they don't exist. As if this reg is some ant on the butt of a pink elephant setting in a deep crater on the dark side of the moon. What this is actually is just a "form letter".

You know they are ONLY trained to "handle". The chances of you actually finding someone who will honestly communicate with you and listen to you is next to none.

But you can try if you want.

Just realize that if you say ANYTHING about what you really think, you will end up declared a suppressive person, and rather quickly. If there is even one person who you want to maintain a comm line with, then think about it. Now, if you don't care at all about getting declared, then go out in a blaze of glory. But, really, most likely whatever you say will last for a few seconds, and then vanish into the blackness of these people's severe over-indoctrinated minds. Most of them can't hear you at all, not through the thick veil of their intense Hubbardized over-controlled little minds.

I consider communication with ANY form of Church of Scientology Scientologists to be "entheta"!

 

[La La Lou Lou]

I would like to get your feedback regarding what to do to deliver the biggest blow to Flag Regg who just e-mailed me and asked me where I was, was there an upset with Scientology or Flag . They really want to help me get sorted out and get back on the Bridge to total smash!! Wow - they told me they "have their attention units" on me. *please translate what this really means. (need a stat?) What happens behind the iron curtain for the Sea Orger's and why are they all of sudden contacting me after so long?

Now, to deliver the best blow, do I:

1. Ignore and send to spam.
2. Write back - tell them to fuck off
3. Fuck around with them pretending to be interested and get them going ....hang the bait that I am interested in coming back for services - and then tell them the deal is off - then tell them I am coming and then tell them I can't - my dog has the sniffles...
4. Tell them I am now a Muslim - I am back to my religion that I was born into and I really appreciate the study tech I learned in scientology because now I can study my religion and really understand it

Help me es pee's - what is going to fuck with their certainty about scientology? What is going to be a blow - the thing that gets them to doubt while they are there?

This is fun!! I have no "comm" from any clams in so long - my heart started to race when I saw the e-mail.:wink2:

I had a request for money not too long ago, I had someone I was chatting with on line who seemed genuine, until I suddenly saw through it, he was living in Australia, and suddenly he contacted me from Nigeria saying that he wants to open an orphanage in Nigeria. His dad was Scottish and his mum Nigerian, (the photos he sent were 100% white) the father had been working there and had had a few million dollars but he was now dead, and he needed to pay the lawyer to release the money. I played along and had him send me all the bank details so I could send a couple of thousand dollars to him. I hope he's still waiting in the lobby of that bank in Lagos! You could do something like that saying you'll transfer the six million just before two on Thursday. He'll remember you then!

 

[Mimsey Borogrove]

I'm sorry that I was being flippant, and saw some humor in my response. Their entheta detectors will perk up if you try any sort of enemy line with them. Ignoring their email is the best route. Responding lets them know it is a correct address and you'll get more and more email from them. Saying they have their attention units on you can be translated as "we have a recover all possible inactive scientologists program to complete and you fit our criteria" They will try and tr3/4 you and handle your considerations, but they will note your B.I.s responses in your file. I don't think staff members are a fruitful area to troll - you're bettter off working on their public.

Mimsey

 

[NoName]

I usually just delete emails, but sending them to spam is a good call. That way my email provider will always trash them. If enough people do it, the email provider will send everyone's clam mails to spam (usually that is how the algorithms work).

The snail mails are where you get to have all the real fun. If they have a prepaid order sheet or something you can send back, I take a sharpie and write "The Wog world is beautiful. We will help you blow. Call 1-866-XSEA-ORG. We love you!"

 

[Boson Wog Stark]

Dear Flag Reg:

Thank you for contacting me.

I am not very interested in auditing at this time, but having come into a sizable inheritance recently, and am interested in honing my perceptics using the new Super Power Rundown and astronaut training equipment. I feel I have a spiritual need for oil regulation in particular, on the oiliness table. The spiritual gears of my Thetan are starting to squeak and grind, which could quite possibly lead to entheta penetration.
For example, I have frequent urges to look on the Internet.

I would pay almost anything to have this handled, and would appreciate more information about the subject of oil level regulation. Also, I was wondering if you think there is any possibility the Super Power building will be open before 2035, because I would very much like to have this matter handled before then?

Thank you.

 

[Idle Morgue]

I'm sorry that I was being flippant, and saw some humor in my response. Their entheta detectors will perk up if you try any sort of enemy line with them. Ignoring their email is the best route. Responding lets them know it is a correct address and you'll get more and more email from them. Saying they have their attention units on you can be translated as "we have a recover all possible inactive scientologists program to complete and you fit our criteria" They will try and tr3/4 you and handle your considerations, but they will note your B.I.s responses in your file. I don't think staff members are a fruitful area to troll - you're bettter off working on their public.

Mimsey

I totally agree Mims! Thanks -:wink2:

 

[DartSmohen]

Blue skies and fair weather.

Tell them you are doing great. You have recently completed your drug rehab program for LSD and your psychiatrist says you should be able to face up to the challenges ahead of you, particularly your huge mountain of debt.

Give them plenty of acknowledgement for the grand job they are doing and you look forward to working side by side with them in the long task of clearing the planet.

I doubt if they will bother you again.

Dart

 

[Ogsonofgroo]

Ignore them or muck with 'em? .... decisions decisions!


'Dear blah-blah,

Thank you for your concern regarding my well being. I have just recently retired from my career as a mercenary freedom-fighter in ________ (<pick a messy war zone), and am looking at investments. Unfortunately my assets are tied up at the moment in So. African Krugerrands and Au. Kangaroos, and I am having trouble getting them into the country without paying taxes. Maybe someone there could help me?
etc. etc.'



But seriously, ignore the greedy desperate grifters.