Free to shine
Shiny & Free
You're on a roll here Hoaxy, very interesting and well stated. 
Here's a nice volunteered success story
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Veda
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One need only watch the videos of the recent Freezone conference, where an OT3 completion is announced, resulting in an eruption of cheers and applause by the attendees, to recognize that the LRH Bridge is primarily what the Scientology Freezone does.
I'll take Dexter at his word that he's no longer trapped on the LRH Bridge, but the fact is, despite recurring denials, mostly by ScnFZ/ScnIndie PR people, and directed at the "public" of ESMB, doing the LRH Bridge is what the ScnFZ/IndieScn is primarily about. And that's fine, since that's the primary reason for the Scientology Freezone/Independent Scientology in the first place: to provide Standard Scientology, in other words, the LRH Bridge, to those who wish to do the LRH Bridge outside of organized $cientology.
Once the cherry picking starts, and the LRH Bridge is abandoned, continuing to call it Scientology is misleading, and it adds to the already smoke-and-mirrors aspect of the doctrine of Scientology, which has been advertising itself for years as anything that the potential customer, potential recruit, newbie or "raw meat," might find appealing and attractive.
In other words, Scientology - for years - has been telling people that Scientology is whatever it is they most want it to be at that particular moment. This, in an attempt to deceive, manipulate, mislead, and exploit the person, his energies, good intentions, and his treasure.
So it's a muddled mess.
Dexter seems to be (slowly) renouncing the LRH Bridge, yet he still plans to do the confidential upper levels, and it remains to be seen if he will succumb to the catharsis-lubricated/hypno-mind manipulation/e-meter-dependence-fetishism of (most of) those levels. If he does fall prey to the magical mystery bus tour along the "upper" LRH Bridge, then he'll be back on the LRH Bridge (and back in the LRH bus) for an indefinite period.
However, unlike many of his ScnFZ/ScnIndie associates, he is learning (while still being typically Scientologically offended by those who happen to faster learners than he.)
So, I wish him well, and look forward to his eventual graduation from Scientology.
I'll take Dexter at his word that he's no longer trapped on the LRH Bridge, but the fact is, despite recurring denials, mostly by ScnFZ/ScnIndie PR people, and directed at the "public" of ESMB, doing the LRH Bridge is what the ScnFZ/IndieScn is primarily about. And that's fine, since that's the primary reason for the Scientology Freezone/Independent Scientology in the first place: to provide Standard Scientology, in other words, the LRH Bridge, to those who wish to do the LRH Bridge outside of organized $cientology.
Once the cherry picking starts, and the LRH Bridge is abandoned, continuing to call it Scientology is misleading, and it adds to the already smoke-and-mirrors aspect of the doctrine of Scientology, which has been advertising itself for years as anything that the potential customer, potential recruit, newbie or "raw meat," might find appealing and attractive.
In other words, Scientology - for years - has been telling people that Scientology is whatever it is they most want it to be at that particular moment. This, in an attempt to deceive, manipulate, mislead, and exploit the person, his energies, good intentions, and his treasure.
So it's a muddled mess.
Dexter seems to be (slowly) renouncing the LRH Bridge, yet he still plans to do the confidential upper levels, and it remains to be seen if he will succumb to the catharsis-lubricated/hypno-mind manipulation/e-meter-dependence-fetishism of (most of) those levels. If he does fall prey to the magical mystery bus tour along the "upper" LRH Bridge, then he'll be back on the LRH Bridge (and back in the LRH bus) for an indefinite period.
However, unlike many of his ScnFZ/ScnIndie associates, he is learning (while still being typically Scientologically offended by those who happen to faster learners than he.)
So, I wish him well, and look forward to his eventual graduation from Scientology.
Free to shine
Shiny & Free
Hi Dexter - did you see my post #348?
If you understand what I wrote in response to your post it may save you some heartache.
I think you are a good bloke, it's just that sometimes there are parts of scio that we don't realise we practice, such as needing a "safe space" to state an opinion, or perhaps trying to restrict comments to those that agree. There are many points of view here that are worth looking at, sometimes just a little shift to the left or right can bring new insights. HH, DB and Veda have said some truly brilliant things on this board and even if it is disturbing sometimes, their comments are worth the while to read. It's not personal.
If you understand what I wrote in response to your post it may save you some heartache.
I think you are a good bloke, it's just that sometimes there are parts of scio that we don't realise we practice, such as needing a "safe space" to state an opinion, or perhaps trying to restrict comments to those that agree. There are many points of view here that are worth looking at, sometimes just a little shift to the left or right can bring new insights. HH, DB and Veda have said some truly brilliant things on this board and even if it is disturbing sometimes, their comments are worth the while to read. It's not personal.
Veda
Sponsor
To clarify: You're an auditor, but you're not a Scientologist/FreeZone Scientologist/Independent Scientologist. Is that not so?
Sindy
Crusader
You're on a roll here Hoaxy, very interesting and well stated.
Very well stated indeed. Wow.
I told you I was trouble
Suspended animation
I think part of the issue is that many Freezoners tend to stick to what they perceive to be their threads and only occasionally post in the others making them seem elite (in their own minds).
When pro scientology elitists post on an Ex scio board mainly to 'bullbait' or 'push product' or worse to 'defend the tek' via silly success stories etc (which is how it seems to me) it is doomed to become a mini war-zone and the added (if occasional) sneer at the great unwashed (that would be the Exes) doesn't really help matters.
I have always seen the scio's that post here as 'fair game' because they are knowingly strolling into an Ex site and that is NOT the same as a person wishing to leave a cult being fair gamed and having their life wrecked by vindictive cofs scientologists ... it is the exact opposite.
After being in a very serious and uptight cult, ESMB is an absolute joy and its integrity is unlikely to be tarnished by the bleating and whining of a few scientologists that wish to try and bullbait it's members with scientology success stories!
That said, I am really glad FZ scientologists post here as I feel that the resultant free speech enriches us all (in differing ways) including the lurkers.
When pro scientology elitists post on an Ex scio board mainly to 'bullbait' or 'push product' or worse to 'defend the tek' via silly success stories etc (which is how it seems to me) it is doomed to become a mini war-zone and the added (if occasional) sneer at the great unwashed (that would be the Exes) doesn't really help matters.
I have always seen the scio's that post here as 'fair game' because they are knowingly strolling into an Ex site and that is NOT the same as a person wishing to leave a cult being fair gamed and having their life wrecked by vindictive cofs scientologists ... it is the exact opposite.
After being in a very serious and uptight cult, ESMB is an absolute joy and its integrity is unlikely to be tarnished by the bleating and whining of a few scientologists that wish to try and bullbait it's members with scientology success stories!
That said, I am really glad FZ scientologists post here as I feel that the resultant free speech enriches us all (in differing ways) including the lurkers.
degraded being
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You messed up MY sandbox Boo Hoo! And I'm a good boy and I'm nice and you're weal howwible! And and an' I do nice things for people. And you're a nasty little boy. See! my shirt is all pwessed and clean and your close are howwible. My fweinds tell my all their pwoblems about when they did yuckky things a looooong time ago about sixty trillion trillion trillion billion years; do you believe that? I do. My weinds are nice and don't tell tall tales. They really really did do that. I know because they told me. And Won said so! Won's a wise wise wise man more wiser that anyone, and even your father and even God isn't more wiser than Won. So there! And even the ARC triangle doesn't work on YOU!! because your soooooo bad!!!!!! And you even talk bad. And people can't do that!!!! And you're not allowed. And you broke my ARC triangle.
Panda Termint
Cabal Of One
Petty stuff! Can the personal attacks on this thread get any more puerile? Probably!
degraded being
Sponsor
If you want to moderate don't show your bias so obviously.
Panda Termint
Cabal Of One
I have no desire to moderate.
I am biased.
I have an opinion.
Here it is, "Petty stuff! Can the personal attacks on this thread get any more puerile? Probably!"
degraded being
Sponsor
Yes. My opinion is that the entire thread is peurile. Does it matter?
nexus100
Gold Meritorious Patron
I wonder if pointing out a puerile post with another is an advancement of personal attacks. What would Ron say?
Voltaire's Child
Fool on the Hill
Yah, I do love debate. It's fun.
I think that if one goes to a forum wherein the main stance is kinda opposite, that one can and should expect counter arguments and debates. Not attacks, though.
Voltaire's Child
Fool on the Hill
Sorry Dex, there is no such thing as "your own thread" on a message board such as this. EVERY forum and sub forum is open for comment by anyone and everyone. Because there is a Freezone forum does not mean that only Freezone people post in it or read it, it is a forum for the discussion of Freezone ideas, pro and anti. If you start a thread, it does not make it "your thread", only that you are the opening poster presenting something for discussion. There is no "safe space" where ideas will not be challenged. There IS freedom to state opinions, to joke, to derail and everything else that happened on this thread and every other of the thousands of threads here. That's the beauty of ESMB.
That IS true. Once something's on a public forum, it's available to anybody to comment. BUT, that having been said, I will point out that I have seen people whose views are...shall we say more from YOUR neck o the woods, wax quite indignant about "their thread(s)" being "derailed" and none had gainsaid them. Hmmm...
nexus100
Gold Meritorious Patron
Generally a useful viewpoint is one that takes a stand. Since every viewpoint shares the dual nature of being both accurate and incomplete the only really worthless post is one that fudges into multiple viewpoints, likely in an attempt by the poster not be wrong or to manipulate instead of understand.
Panda Termint
Cabal Of One
Ron would probably say, "You're guilty of doing that which you accuse others of doing!"
That would apply to me and also apply to you but, hell, who cares what Ron would say?
nexus100
Gold Meritorious Patron
Ron would probably say, "You're guilty of doing that which you accuse others of doing!"
That would apply to me and also apply to you but, hell, who cares what Ron would say?
Of course it applies to me. We are the Puerile Trio, ensemble of childish triviality and damn proud of it.
Panda Termint
Cabal Of One
Agreed!
Mark A. Baker
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Not at all. Although those prone to factionalism often seek to impose such a dichotomous view. The best posts are those which expand & clarify the topic under discussion without regard or attempt to promoting a particular perspective or opinion of the ideas being expressed upon others.
Mark A. Baker
nexus100
Gold Meritorious Patron
The best posts are those which expand & clarify the topic under discussion without regard or attempt to promoting a particular perspective or opinion of the ideas being expressed upon others.
Mark A. Baker
Try to express a viewpoint without taking one sometime.
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