Here's a nice volunteered success story

[Zinjifar]

My concern is that Scientology is given a conditional view of acceptance here under the Free Zone guise yet their aim is to advocate the expansion of Scientology.

That may be the source of your confusion. That Scientologists, not just *Freezone* or 'independents' but even *full blown Churchies* are allowed to express themselves on ESMB is *not* acceptance.

ESMB is a forum for adults and based on the idea that participants are *best* served by exposure to the widest range of opinion and even propaganda possible.

It's not an 'activist' forum with a 'Party Line'.

Zinj

 

[FinallyMe]

FreeBeing, you will probably get more exposure for your assessment of the Freezone if you put your opinion in its own thread rather than burying it inside of a thread started by someone else. Seeing that you are so concerned about protecting the rest of the population against advertising of something you don't believe in, please address your requirements to Emma and Human Again. Even if you convince the rest of us to adopt your beliefs, it's still up to those who operate the Board.

 

[Free Being Me]

That may be the source of your confusion. That Scientologists, not just *Freezone* or 'independents' but even *full blown Churchies* are allowed to express themselves on ESMB is *not* acceptance.

ESMB is a forum for adults and based on the idea that participants are *best* served by exposure to the widest range of opinion and even propaganda possible.

It's not an 'activist' forum with a 'Party Line'.

Zinj

I understand that perfectly, Zinf, I'm not on crusade to say WHO can or cannot say what they want or that a form of censorship is needed, wanted or acceptable or that a particular topic can't be discussed. You're missing my point entirely. It's the irony of actively posting scientology success stories while so many want an end to scientology. That's my point and if you believe other wise let's talk about it.

 

[Zinjifar]

It's the irony of actively posting scientology success stories while so many want an end to scientology. That's my point and if you believe other wise let's talk about it.

Irony in a discussion of Scientology is about as remarkable as peanuts at a Happy Hour.

Zinj

 

[Free Being Me]

FreeBeing, you will probably get more exposure for your assessment of the Freezone if you put your opinion in its own thread rather than burying it inside of a thread started by someone else. Seeing that you are so concerned about protecting the rest of the population against advertising of something you don't believe in, please address your requirements to Emma and Human Again. Even if you convince the rest of us to adopt your beliefs, it's still up to those who operate the Board.

You're right, I don't pay for this board nor decide what the parameters are for it's existence. But since it is an open forum I can respond or not as I see fit within board rules just as you can. If I wish to call into question the validity of $ci, it's alleged successes or wins based on $ci applications then I can do on the posted thread just as you can call into question my disagreement with those practicing $ci. Since Human Again ASKED for input regarding success story posting I did so.

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=20926

Interesting you mention a private message that you weren't privy to. Care to quote it's content?

As I said to Zinj, it's not about censoring anyone for posting ss's since Human Again has stated wanting time to make a decision that I will abide by either way, it's the irony of $ci having success. That's funny.

 

[Free Being Me]

Irony in a discussion of Scientology is about as remarkable as peanuts at a Happy Hour.

Zinj

 

[FinallyMe]

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Interesting you mention a private message that you weren't privy to. Care to quote it's content?

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Excuse me? Where did I mention a private message?

 

[Free Being Me]

Excuse me? Where did I mention a private message?

My apologies, I misread a part of your post.

 

[Sindy]

That may be the source of your confusion. That Scientologists, not just *Freezone* or 'independents' but even *full blown Churchies* are allowed to express themselves on ESMB is *not* acceptance.

ESMB is a forum for adults and based on the idea that participants are *best* served by exposure to the widest range of opinion and even propaganda possible.

It's not an 'activist' forum with a 'Party Line'.

Zinj

 

[Free Being Me]

 

[Auditor's Toad]

"It's the irony of actively posting scientology success stories while so many want an end to scientology"

Interesting. Here all this time I have seen individual people involved in scientology and always viewed them as individual people and not as scientology itself.

To me, and maybe I am way weird, an individual is an individual and the written, audio, video, lectures of scientology weave together to form what they form ( in my words ) : a cult.

I do not look at a person as a cult... just don't. Yeah, yeah maybe somebody can make a case for 2 people forming a cult. but, what are they following? Oh ? Something? Yeah, I'll give you a charsmatic leader is part of the mix but it is never all the mix......is it ?

Sorry folks, I sort out the "people" from the 'tek". And I'll give you going in almost every walk of life and slice of humanity there can be I've seen in scientology both as public and staff. I've know some really great individual people and some real assholes, too.

Same for the the "tek". Hell, some of it works. Hell some people DO get gains and have some wins ( OK, I'll not argue the cost in terms of life, $$, health, family & children or any other overly extreme costs ).

Someone I know - or hear about - wants to share a win from ANYWHERE, I'll listen. Christ, I've listened to people sing the wonders of LSD or coke or grass or god-knows-what... I think I can listen to a scientologists "win" and not have to crawl out of my skin or piss in their face over it.

The "tek'. Simple answer: if it really worked how the fuck many of us would be here right fuckin now on this board resigned to not be part of the structure of scientology? Or does it being bat shit crazy not resonate ?

Love you all.

Now off my soapbox

 

[Veda]

Please repost this with your post *outside* my prior post, so your post can be quoted. It makes it so much easier for others. Thanks.

Very well, you can't be bothered with formatting your response properly, so I'll quote the parts of my post (to Voltaire's Child) which you edited away (without notation), and edit out the parts to which you responded (also, following in your footsteps, without notation).

Then I add a some blue filler which will represent your "response" to the omitted part of my post. (I hope you're following this. )

Yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda

and (informally, on one's own) disconnecting from SPs is part of Scientology (lite) tech. It's something that Scientologists do, despite the impression that a few Independent Scientology/FZ Scientology PR persons try to create

Yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda

It's a common dilemma amongst even the nicest Scientologists.

Yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda

And if Dex did not ask the person in question for permission to post her account to ESMB, then that's his flub. It shouldn't be the end of the world, though, but, if it occurred, a mental note should be made, not to repeat the flub.

Despite the invitation, no Independent Scientologists/FZ Scientologists have appeared (that I'm aware of), and posted their own wins or Success Stories, themselves.

Which is a bit strange.

If I were a Scientologist, and thought that I had experinced something important, that could help others, I'd communicate that. And if 100 people attacked it, yet it helped one person, then I'd be happy. I wouldn't have to hang around. I'd just drop by, say "hello," and deposit my win or success story, and leave.

If this person was informed of ESMB, looked it over, and then said, "OK, post it there," then she might be expected to pop in and say, "Hello," followed by something like, "Dex' Website was very helpful to me, and I'd like to wish everyone on ESMB a Happy Holiday," etc.

Maybe that will still happen.

Everyone remain calm please.

Especially the Scientologists.

Yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda

Love, Dex

There.

Was that fun?

 

[Terril park]

Trying to steal Ron's customers?

Trying to add them to those who are no ones army!

 

[Terril park]

You didn't answer the question. Did you inform her that you were going to post it elsewhere than your website before you posted it to ESMB? Or did you inform her only after you posted it?

Its thus in the public domain.

And it's a legitamite question as to why Scientology OTs can't communicate to people who don't validate them to their satisfaction. As for myself, can you find anywhere on this thread where I have invalidated this person?

The night is young.

You ever invalidated me BTW?

 

[uniquemand]

If she wants to publish her success story, she should come here and post it. Otherwise, it's just another "testimonial". Good work, though.

 

[Veda]

Its thus in the public domain.



The night is young.

You ever invalidated me BTW?

Jezz, did I write "legitamite"?

Hey, ever notice how you Scientologists "invalidate" the sh#t out of me, but it doesn't bother me much; but when I "invalidate" you Scientologists, you go on angry rampages, or run away, or just collapse like a house of cards?

I must have super powers.

 

[Terril park]

But to have the words published here by another and breeze over expecting to hear vwd's and find batshit insane instead, could be psychologically devastating.

Simply put, I am scared for her. Even the most robust individual emotionally or psychologically would be hurt by this thread.

Nice thoughts.

You imply that some posting here are various varieties of assholes.

Perhaps I'm not the most robust, but am a contender at least. A decade on ARS, OCMB, factnet, etc and I remain unhurt. Posted my own " batshit" success stories there as well as others. Some couldn't handle these . Thus conspiracies targeted to list owners to stop these posts.

But I have a mission of promotion, and it can best be performed on critical forums. Like COS forums will allow me to post! Anyway they are all dead now.

Those without such a mission would I expect see no upside being bashed on critical forums.

Personally I consider that exposing oneself to critical discussion is liberating.
It has been for me.

Having renounced COS its probably unlikely to be psychologically devastating foe this person. IMO

 

[dexter gelfand]

I must have super powers.

(Sigh) If only he used his powers for good.....

Love, Dex

 

[dexter gelfand]

"It's the irony of actively posting scientology success stories while so many want an end to scientology"

Interesting. Here all this time I have seen individual people involved in scientology and always viewed them as individual people and not as scientology itself.

To me, and maybe I am way weird, an individual is an individual and the written, audio, video, lectures of scientology weave together to form what they form ( in my words ) : a cult.

I do not look at a person as a cult... just don't. Yeah, yeah maybe somebody can make a case for 2 people forming a cult. but, what are they following? Oh ? Something? Yeah, I'll give you a charsmatic leader is part of the mix but it is never all the mix......is it ?

Sorry folks, I sort out the "people" from the 'tek". And I'll give you going in almost every walk of life and slice of humanity there can be I've seen in scientology both as public and staff. I've know some really great individual people and some real assholes, too.

Same for the the "tek". Hell, some of it works. Hell some people DO get gains and have some wins ( OK, I'll not argue the cost in terms of life, $$, health, family & children or any other overly extreme costs ).

Someone I know - or hear about - wants to share a win from ANYWHERE, I'll listen. Christ, I've listened to people sing the wonders of LSD or coke or grass or god-knows-what... I think I can listen to a scientologists "win" and not have to crawl out of my skin or piss in their face over it.

Love you all.

Now off my soapbox

How sensible, A.T.! What ever are you doing here?

Love, Dex

 

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