Here's a nice volunteered success story

[Veda]

(Sigh) If only he used his powers for good.....)

Love, Dex

I do, and someday you'll thank me.

 

[dexter gelfand]

I do, and someday you'll thank me.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you, Veda! (not to mention Festivus)

Love, Dex

 

[Terril park]

Let's face it, the SP Doctrine is alive and well in Scientology outside the CofS, and (informally, on one's own) disconnecting from SPs is part of Scientology (lite) tech. It's something that Scientologists do, despite the impression that a few Independent Scientology/FZ Scientology PR persons try to create.

Disconnection is part of the broad tapestry of life. In itself not a problem.
In itself often solving problems, and maybe causing them.

Disconnection for other than personal reasons IS enforced by COS.

You may wish to show how widespread this is in the FZ!

Dex isn't a PR person, and means well, but he can't confront the dark core of Scientology Doctrine, even though that dark core grabs him, from time to time, and throws him around like a rag doll. It's a common dilemma amongst even the nicest Scientologists.

I expect Dex has replied, if not he probably will. Ignoring you is also
possible.

ESMB has been judged to be a natter board, overrun with SPs.

You a Marty fan I gather.

And if Dex did not ask the person in question for permission to post her account to ESMB, then that's his flub. It shouldn't be the end of the world, though, but, if it occurred, a mental note should be made, not to repeat the flub.

Thought you were smart and could read!! Her OP GAVE Dex permission
to post to the net!

Despite the invitation, no Independent Scientologists/FZ Scientologists have appeared (that I'm aware of), and posted their own wins or Success Stories, themselves.

Which is a bit strange.

If I were a Scientologist, and thought that I had experinced something important, that could help others, I'd communicate that. And if 100 people attacked it, yet it helped one person, then I'd be happy. I wouldn't have to hang around. I'd just drop by, say "hello," and deposit my win or success story, and leave.

Been there, done that, and sell the T-shirt.

If this person was informed of ESMB, looked it over, and then said, "OK, post it there," then she might be expected to pop in and say, "Hello," followed by something like, "Dex' Website was very helpful to me, and I'd like to wish everyone on ESMB a Happy Holiday," etc.

Maybe that will still happen.

Everyone remain calm please.

Especially the Scientologists.

Being called " batshit crazy" is not so welcoming.

Capiche????

 

[uniquemand]

Permission to post on the net is not the same thing as posting it herself. Once again: use of testimonials as advertising makes you sound like you're selling Sham-Wows, and is unethical business practice for a counselor.

 

[dexter gelfand]

Permission to post on the net is not the same thing as posting it herself. Once again: use of testimonials as advertising makes you sound like you're selling Sham-Wows, and is unethical business practice for a counselor.

I disagree. It shows that others have actually found you to have something of value, worth sharing. I have no problem with that. Besides which, there are people who enjoy hearing others' good news, many people in fact. I know I do.

I've written success stories for good auditing and C/Sing I've received, and encouraged the practitioner to publish them, because I felt they deserved the promotion, and I really would like others to experience the same satisfaction I have. I think its especially valid when the testimonial is unsolicited, as this one was.

Unique, you have a right to your opinion, but that's what it is- your opinion, not fact. I have my own ethical standards, you have yours.

Love, Dex

PS- See my Sham-Wow website for the best sham-wows

 

[dexter gelfand]

I do, and someday you'll thank me.

Don't bet the farm.

Love, Dex

 

[Veda]

-snip-

You a Marty fan I gather.

No, I was referring to the absence of Indie Scn/FZ Scn wins&Success Stories, posted by actual people, first hand, after coming to ESMB. DESPITE THE INVITATION TO SCIENTOLGISTS to come to the Indie Scn/FZ Scn section and express themselves.

Thought you were smart and could read!! Her OP GAVE Dex permission
to post to the net!

Only on his website.

Being called " batshit crazy" is not so welcoming.

Capiche????

I never used such language.

But one would hope that Clears and OTs would be made of sturdier stuff.

 

[dexter gelfand]

FYI y'all, Catherine hasn't any objection to my posting of her story here, and she declines to participate here for precisely the reasons I outlined in this thread. Her time has value, and she doesn't care to waste it on people who yap at her for feeling good about something Scientology-related. As to who the yappers are, that's obvious. If the baby bootie fits....

Love, Dex

 

[dexter gelfand]

But one would hope that Clears and OTs would be made of sturdier stuff.

Yeah, because those who are so juvenile as to call others "batshit crazy" have such a sturdy mental constitution, right?

Love, Dex

 

[Terril park]

Interesting.

But, have you noticed, Terril that "SUGGESTION" seems to play an important role in Scientology.

The suggestion that one is PTS (has sps), is out-ethics (has overts), is haunted (has bts), is wicked (has evil purposes) or is abberated (has engrams).

Depending on what YEAR it is in Scientology's 60 year history, the a different suggestion is emphasized. For example, if it's 1951 it is adamantly suggested to every single pc that they have engrams and pre-natal engrams.

A different year, 1968 for example, carries with it a different suggestion--that space ghosts are one's real problem.

There are hundreds of such suggestions, each typically carrying with it a detailed pseudo-scientific explanation; always delivered to eagerly awaiting Scientologists with thundering CERTAINTY.

Now, Terril, what do you make of this?

Really good questions. There has always been a tendency to promote the latest tech. This is part of what you are commenting on.

I suggest that these new techs you comment on are quite valid. Receiving them as the best greatest and latest would violate proper C/S programming.

Proper C/S programming is workable, for what I refer to as "Scientology for dummies." The most elaborate and far reaching psychotherapy there is.
However mastery, IMO, an educated one from my extensive connections,
goes beyond that.

But scn for dummies works.

All the nonsense connected with it in COS is ....as a generality is mostly suppressive. The SUGGESTIONS are of course part of that.

In the past couple months Marty Rathbun has been lecturing Indie Scientologists about the problem with their OT-ness being BLACK DIANETICS run on them.

The 6 month sec checks are of course an example. I'm sure you've read many accounts.

Somehow, magically, his pcs are currently writing success stories, not about erasing engrams or going exterior--but about blowing the "implant" of Scientology itself. The bad Scientology. Their wins tell glowing tales of ridding themselves of the evil technology being run on them.

That never happened in the history of Scientology before--Scientologists auditing out Scientology as the why of their entrapment!

This is really to be expected. I'm suprised you find this suprising. PTS tech may be imperfect but describes this area to some degree.

LRH may have spouted lots of nonsense, but there was some wisdom wrapped in it all. :-

"If you will just stay with me on this line, up to the first
milestone in Scientology, and bring yourself up to a high level of ability
and apply yourself to that, you will be free - free from me and from
Scientology too!" Milestone 1 - LRH"

So this is what Marty and really the independent and FZ areas are doing
among other things.

So, on your point about OT's not having to disconnect, that is fine and good Terril, but have you noticed that Indie leader Rathbun is teaching Scientologists the exact opposite?

He is giving daily sermons about the evil Scientology run by the evil man and the importance of disconnecting from both.

Its of course a valid viewpoint. I think it may be worth pointing out that the two MRs are NOT disconnecting. They are fighting. [ ie not PTS]

However they are attracting mostly those very newly leaving COS. This is probably a good message for such. Note that I downgraded such actions very quickly on coming to the internet. I promoted the positive, and have done for a decade. The 2 Ms are reaching people I never reached, getting them out of COS. For this alone they have my support.

He runs black pr campaigns against Ex-Scientologists here on ESMB, for example, creating imagery of "NATTERERS" and "HATERS" that should be avoided, ignored and---yes, disconnected from.

Even in his Blog, an opinion that is politically impure will get dismissed with a put-down and a firm boot in the backside. That's also disconnection.

Do you see this disconnection going on in the new and improved Church of Indie Scientology, Terril?

I hope so. If not, may I "suggest" that you take another look?

Marty is not a new church. I am!!!!

I see him as catering to his parishioners, as Emma has here blocking FZ success story thread. As I very hesitantly try to satisfy my parishioners
on my FZ forum.

I posted the docs of the Paulette Cooper affair on his blog and he let it through despite previous " comments on my unworthyness" . Attacks if you will.

Even was told I couldn't post anymore.

The Docs re Paulette Cooper are quite devastating for a " standard techie
parishioner". Its my thought he was happy they were posted by someone other than himself.

 

[degraded being]

Trying to add them to those who are no ones army!

Your army. The meddlers salvation army.

 

[Veda]

-snip-

yap

-snip-

yappers

sigh.

 

[Veda]

Yeah, because those who are so juvenile as to call others "batshit crazy" have such a sturdy mental constitution, right?

Love, Dex

As I recall, one person made the comment, "batshit crazy." There were no "those."

And yes, I expect Clears and OTs to be made of sturdier stuff. Don't you?

My God, if they're not, what's the point?

 

[Terril park]

Jezz, did I write "legitamite"?

Hey, ever notice how you Scientologists "invalidate" the sh#t out of me, but it doesn't bother me much; but when I "invalidate" you Scientologists, you go on angry rampages, or run away, or just collapse like a house of cards?

I must have super powers.

I merely asked a question.

This FZer is not specially angry currently, or running away or collapsing.

Dunno what you're talking about.

 

[Terril park]

Permission to post on the net is not the same thing as posting it herself. Once again: use of testimonials as advertising makes you sound like you're selling Sham-Wows, and is unethical business practice for a counselor.

I'm not a scn councellor. Do really well as a friend in such matters.

 

[degraded being]

FYI y'all, Catherine hasn't any objection to my posting of her story here, and she declines to participate here for precisely the reasons I outlined in this thread. Her time has value, and she doesn't care to waste it on people who yap at her for feeling good about something Scientology-related. As to who the yappers are, that's obvious. If the baby bootie fits....

Love, Dex

And you do have time to waste on people who yap at her for feeling good about something scientology-related, so unlike her, your time has no value.

 

[Veda]

-snip-

Dunno what you're talking about.

That's nothing new. http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?p=362148

 

[Terril park]

Your army. The meddlers salvation army.

Perhaps asshole of the year award here for you in these last few days.

Anons don't meddle? Lol!

 

[degraded being]

Perhaps asshole of the year award here for you in these last few days.

Anons don't meddle? Lol!

An arsehole is far more useful than a meddler. It's function is to get rid of shit.

 

[dexter gelfand]

And you do have time to waste on people who yap at her for feeling good about something scientology-related, so unlike her, your time has no value.

DB, check out the phrase "wasting time" in the dictionary. There's a line drawing of someone trying to reason with you.

Love, Dex