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[Cherished]

Magnolia, obviously they read this thread and knew to expect you.

I read this thread and thought: you are magnificent!

Keep it up.

Also:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqQJB8DR_Zo

 

[Tiger Lily]

Magnolia, obviously they read this thread and knew to expect you.

That may be the case -- their treatment did seem very harsh.

But it seems strange, that if they knew this experience would be posted on the Internet that they wouldn't try to be friendly and welcoming. . . .and prove us all wrong; make us look like hysterical idiots. Instead they fed right into our expectations.

I still think they are losing it.

 

[Magnolia]

Magnolia,

I'm really hoping that this incident put up a red flag with your daughter. Hopefully she's not so indoctrinated yet that she thinks it's OK for anyone to treat her mother that way. I'm glad that she saw it.

I don't think it did....when I challenged her and asked WHY she did not defend me or do anything. She stated she was too stunned to. Yeah sure... She just stood there on the sidewalk and smoked her cigarette and would not look me in the eye. She hates confrontation and will usualy do anything to avoid it.
Her husband my SIL was upstairs with the kids. She did admit that they lied to her about the quality of the "hotel" room. That she was greatly disappointed.

But it's making me think. . . . that was certainly not the climate there in the mid-90's. But I'm thinking about the "progression towards desperation" at Flag. I mentioned that we had been there in 1995 as part of a vacation and had a *good* experience . . . well, we went back several years later and had a somewhat different experience. . . ---snip------ I was still a true believer and justified the extra paranoia as necessary because of Lisa McPherson stuff. . . never guessed it would continue, let alone get worse. I remember an event after they renovated the Fort Harrison that said they were opening it up for public use and so proud to have a good relationship with the community. More lies, I guess.[/quote]

I don't think there is as good a relationship with the community as they would like people to think.

The whole incident was creepy...

Magnolia your story just shows what has happened to the Scientologist mindset. It has obviously slipped lower and lower into sheer distrust and paranoia to the point where they can't even handle a public person with ARC (Affinity, Reality and Communication -- one of the basic principles and one of the triangles in the Scientology symbol). They are losing control of themselves.

Your story is crazy. I truly hope that your daughter was able to see it for what it was. . . . hopefully she can -- maybe that $9 you lost on that meal was the best $9 you ever spent . . .if it helps her see how out of touch with reality they are, and how disrespectful they can be.

Hang in there,
-TL[/QUOTE]

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

I'm not a lawyer, but it seems to me that you were discriminated against because of your religion (or lack thereof). Isn't that a violation of Fair Housing. I would at the very least call HUD and talk to someone. You could be the new Rosa Parks.

 

[Squeeze My Cans]

Side note : I won my $5 bet with my hubby. I bet they'd never let you stay there.

So, off in the lurker line, " Hi OSA ! "

A church that has high security? LOL ! What clowns.

 

[Magnolia]

Originally Posted by Cherished View Post
Magnolia, obviously they read this thread and knew to expect you.

That may be the case -- their treatment did seem very harsh.

But it seems strange, that if they knew this experience would be posted on the Internet that they wouldn't try to be friendly and welcoming. . . .and prove us all wrong; make us look like hysterical idiots. Instead they fed right into our expectations.

I still think they are losing it.

So a little while ago MY dtr called me to tell me that the Scientologist will be calling me to make amends and apologize for the way they treated me.
They admit they created a PR mistake. Ya think?


My SIL and DTR are extremely upset.. (but they have not left the place)
They called Dave Candle up to their room this morning.. Seems Dave is staying with Elvira.. oh puhleeze... why would anyone want to sleep with someone that butt fugly... shudders with that kind of hideous black aura and negative attitude.

In Any case SIL says he and his wife confronted Dave about the whole incident and Dave admitted I did not make a scene until I was on the street when Elvira still refused to answer my questions.. I do admit as we went down the stairs to the entrance with the suits following behind.. that I asked her, "WHO the heck is Lisa McPherson, I was asked to ask you that?" (of course I know exactly who she is and the newspapers dont tell the half of it.. I was living in St. Pete when it happened and knew ER nurses at the hosp she ended up at.... Elvira stiffened and almost stumbled on the steps.

My SIL has made a big deal out of this... and yet when put Dave on the phone and made him give me an apology..it was cursory at best.. there was NO sincerity in the apology. Now Dave wants to "come visit me and made amends" At the moment there is nothing he can do to change my mind nor is there anything he can do that will make it right. Right would have been to never have happened.

Those people never counted on a woman who can think for herself. People have always underestimated me.

Dtr refused to let anyone but me babysit her kids.. I knew that would happen. She has a major control issue and to let anyone but me would simply not happen. I am starting to think this wont be as easy a sell with them as I feared. then again...... she did accept a babysitter.. man they must have a good pitch...

Dave did comment that he was dismayed that My mother would chose to not make dtr the exectrix of the family trust... that will never happen....
Mom checked her paperwork this morning on the house loan she made the dtr... yep, there IS a lien on the ho use and that have basically NO equity for a second mortgage.

laters...I am going for a long walk. I do this everyday..but now I need to get away and then comeback to do my job. I cannot think about ferreting out cybercreeps when I am so upset... and it takes a lot of ferreting...

Someone said that I should be more careful about my info out there... now who is to say that I told the truth about MY income or anything else... I might just have more money that I said, and more affiliations than you lurkers know.

Elvira was instructed to apologize to me.. I doubt that will ever happen and she owes me the cost of my supper. My dtr should not feel obligated to pay for it either..

 

[Cherished]

Side note : I won my $5 bet with my hubby. I bet they'd never let you stay there.

So, off in the lurker line, " Hi OSA ! "

A church that has high security? LOL ! What clowns.

Hi Squeeze. Welcome aboard. Glad you and your husband are on the same page.

 

[Magnolia]

Side note : I won my $5 bet with my hubby. I bet they'd never let you stay there.

So, off in the lurker line, " Hi OSA ! "

A church that has high security? LOL ! What clowns.

Hey you owe me half.... I figured that would be the case too... I was born at night but it was not last night. I had done a LOT of research before I found you guys... and had a fairly good understanding of the Church of Money.
Not to mention an FBI bud of mine faxed me a whole file on CoS.
It was an interesting read.

I agree, that suits running around looking like Secret Service is paranoia in the extreme and as many yrs as I have been around I don't recall anyone but the President getting such security... not to mention I was kinda flattered that they wanted to be around me... geez... I must have ruffled a lot of feathers last night...

Hope you all found some amusement in this.... you all have been simply fantastic. I won't go away and will enjoy reading.. will, of course let you know what is going on as time goes along.
smooches to all... Anne

 

[Cherished]

In Any case SIL says he and his wife confronted Dave about the whole incident and Dave admitted I did not make a scene until I was on the street when Elvira still refused to answer my questions..

Glad the kids noticed and made a fuss about how you were treated. That's a good sign.

Dave did comment that he was dismayed that My mother would chose to not make dtr the exectrix of the family trust...

First, what business is it of his, except that he's exploring their access to funds so he can get his sticky fingers on them. Second, is he trying to get your dtr and sil to doubt your love for them?

 

[FoTi]

Good for you for standing your ground!

I was in Scientology for 30 years and I never saw anything that would make someone a better speaker. If that's what your SIL wants...tell him to go to Toastmasters. That's what they specialize in, and he would probably make a lot more businesss contacts there.

I never saw Scientology have any public speaking courses, but they might try to sell him some sort of course or auditing while he's there....and if he's going for business purposes, the business courses sold through WISE (WISE is a front group for Scientology) cost in the thousands of dollars supposedly to expand one's business and to make more money.

Here are two dentists and one chiropractor and his wife that got roped into doing services in Scientology to expand their practices and make more money...be sure and watch both of them. The chiropractor and his wife ended up losing their practice and had to go live in his parent's basement along with their 3 kids to survive. Click on the link below to watch these videos. I met the chiropractor and his wife about 6 years ago.

http://www.xenutv.com/blog/?cat=175

And if he's really sold on the idea of getting auditing....tell him to find a highly trained auditor in the field....most of them have left the Church and have practices of their own for a whole lot less money and without the abuses that the people on this board are warning you against. There are some really good auditors outside the church who's work is really intended to help people, instead of trying to cave them in and control them and take all their money.

Best of luck to your and your family.

You're doing a good job, Magnolia.

When your dtr and SIL finish their visit at Flag, see if you can get them to look at the above link and watch the videos I posted above.

Did you look at them yourself?

 

[Magnolia]

Glad the kids noticed and made a fuss about how you were treated. That's a good sign.

Good and bad...they truly believed the BS lies that Denise spouted about how the Cult was sorry how things were handled and that Elvira Morgan had no right to kick me out and that they were going to call me and make amends... The Cult told my SIL what HE wanted to hear...not that they don't give a rats patootey. Call me, yeah sure, I am not holding my breath... and worse they now have my personal phone number.... greeeeeaaaatt...

First, what business is it of his, except that he's exploring their access to funds so he can get his sticky fingers on them. Second, is he trying to get your dtr and sil to doubt your love for them?

yep you got that right.... Many Cults that are based on money will check out the person they are interested in and those in their immediate family.
Dave told me what HE thought I wanted to hear this morning. The longer I talked to him, the more I understood how deep into this Cult Dave is. He is now talking about moving from Navarre to a condo on the beach near the Mothership. This guy makes huge sums of money.... that sound familiar?? He is staying with little miss Elvira.... again.... it all makes sense...
The thing that truly pissed me off is that HE had the temerity to invite himself to MY family's Thanksgiving... not in this lifetime.

 

[MrNobody]

Hiya Magnolia! As always, I'm late to the party, so

Good and bad...they truly believed the BS lies that Denise spouted about how the Cult was sorry how things were handled and that Elvira Morgan had no right to kick me out and that they were going to call me and make amends... The Cult told my SIL what HE wanted to hear...not that they don't give a rats patootey. Call me, yeah sure, I am not holding my breath... and worse they now have my personal phone number.... greeeeeaaaatt...

From what I've read in this thread, I'm sure you'll have a way to "handle" those calls.

yep you got that right.... Many Cults that are based on money will check out the person they are interested in and those in their immediate family.
Dave told me what HE thought I wanted to hear this morning. The longer I talked to him, the more I understood how deep into this Cult Dave is. He is now talking about moving from Navarre to a condo on the beach near the Mothership. This guy makes huge sums of money.... that sound familiar?? He is staying with little miss Elvira.... again.... it all makes sense...

I'd love to "watch the show" if that happens...

Can I be a fly on the wall?

 

[Magnolia]

From what I've read in this thread, I'm sure you'll have a way to "handle" those calls.

yep....

I'd love to "watch the show" if that happens...

Can I be a fly on the wall?

Yep... he is a con man though and all that goes with it. He will say and do whatever it takes to suck someone in and he is good.

 

[Kutta]

Go Magnolia! You are a feisty gal. Sock it to them.

 

[Magnolia]

I would like to make something very very clear.

I am well aware and quite good at getting information and working sources. One of the ways I put myself through college was doing research for professors and graduate students. I worked parttime in the college Law Library. Ergo, I am fully aware of what is out there and legally obtainable. Key word Legal, I do nothing that is not legal and permissible under Federal and State law.

Cults like this one have huge Federal files on them in places like the FBI, IRS and other US Government offices. Not to mention other countries like France and Germany who labeled them a Cult, NOT a Religion.. which is exactly what they are. I do nothing illegal or dishonorable in gaining my info.
It is all in knowing what is out there and what is legal and how to obtain it.
EVERYTHING not classified is openly obtainable under the freedom of information act. In Florida it is called the Government in the Sunshine Law. The CoS has NO control what is included in what one asks for and they have no control what is black out or not. None, nada, nyet..

When I was curious to know more about this group. Early this week I simply used the search engine Google and the word, "scientology".. my oh my oh my the bad press is out there in spades and it dominates the good stuff.

That I, or anyone else, would want to know more about something is a good thing, but not in a Cults eyes. Funny how they had a fit over me, more likely because I posted here..but the dtr sent me some pretty heinous stuff SHE found on the web and has been lurking here as an unregistered reader.
I wish I could prove beyond a shadow of a doubt it is NOT a church but a scam to take peoples money from them. That they don't pay taxes on prime real estate in Clearwater hurts all of the citizens of that city and Pinellas County.
Real religion I dont have a problem with, but fake churches that do nothing but steal money and lives are an anathema to me and any honorable person.

I love the lawsuits over "human trafficking" that are working their way through the courts. We put people in jail for working children in excess of 15-20 hrs a week.. we put people in jail for not putting their children in school until 16 and take the kids drivers license away if they don't stay in and graduate. Yet this cult thinks nothing of breaking child labor and education laws they are so arrogant that they feel that they are above the law and that the laws of the land do not apply to them. What sort of example are they setting for those who are most vunerable, the children? We, as a nation, are appalled at such things in 3rd world shithole countries but then this goes on in my backyard and NO one does anything about it.. how horrible.

 

[Squeeze My Cans]

There is that fella over at the St Pete Tomes, Tom Tobin. Bet he'd love to have a chat with you about you brief encounter at the Fort Harrison Death Center.
Need his phone number or e mail ?

 

[AnonyMary]

Hi Magnolia,

Glad your dtr is reading up on the internet. What hope is there for SIL to do the same?

 

[Enthetan]

Magnolia,

One thing to keep in mind is that these guys are ruthless, and would not mind breaking up a marriage if doing so made them some money. From your discussion, I get the impression that sil is in deeper than daughter. If daughter expresses doubts, they will try to at least keep sil in and bad-mouth wife to him.

If this appears to be happening, have dtr keep a close eye on the marital assets, and if she spots funds disappearing into Scientology's maw, to immediately treat this the same as if she discovered her husband had a previously-undiscovered bad crack habit.

 

[Magnolia]

Magnolia,

One thing to keep in mind is that these guys are ruthless, and would not mind breaking up a marriage if doing so made them some money. From your discussion, I get the impression that sil is in deeper than daughter. If daughter expresses doubts, they will try to at least keep sil in and bad-mouth wife to him.

If this appears to be happening, have dtr keep a close eye on the marital assets, and if she spots funds disappearing into Scientology's maw, to immediately treat this the same as if she discovered her husband had a previously-undiscovered bad crack habit.

I just got back from supper with the kids... and grankids. It was most pleasant.
Things have a way of working themselves out you know.

 

[Magnolia]

There is that fella over at the St Pete Tomes, Tom Tobin. Bet he'd love to have a chat with you about you brief encounter at the Fort Harrison Death Center.
Need his phone number or e mail ?

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