Homosexuality

Alanzo

Bardo Tulpa
Well, I studied these deviants for years and probably am the one with more experience with them (non sexual). I agree with LRH about them. Though I would say most are HUGE beings that were royally fucked somewhere on the track. Quite a sad thing to be. Sure most of you will blast me. But noone here has spent as much time with them as me, I can bet my life on this. My best friend was a fag and I watched him pass away to AIDS. I studied a lot sub-cultures like the gay/electronic music/neo-drug scene years ago and there's little theta there. I have found gays to be either women with men's bodies, lazy men who find it easier to get sex from men and your screwed up person, either hormonally or because of some trauma/uncle/cousin.

Again these are my opinions based on my observation. I am not stating that this is true.

Get thee to a Logic store!
 

Pascal

Silver Meritorious Patron
More on homosexuality

When on staff I recall a staff member getting booted for being gay. He was the DED's brother at Mtl org. 13 years ago.

I also recall Travolta in an interview saying that he had many gay friends and that homosexuality was something peculiar to this planet which goes with the dumpster of dumpster theory.
 

Bea Kiddo

Crusader
Some things just go right over people'e heads. They don't see it at all. :confused2:

It's annoying to be forced to read posts from people on my ignore list because others quote them.

Sorry. Got bitchy. I will now return to my semi-sweet self.

Sort of.
 

Nec_V20

Patron Meritorious
"Beef Terminal"

That wouldn't happen to be a euphemism for something would it? :omg:

(Sorry but with your nic, posting on this thread - I just couldn't resist)

No flame intended
 

ExScnDude

Patron with Honors
Also, I'd like to know if anyone thinks being gay is a barrier to case gain (unless, like Mick, you don't think there is any such thing :) ).

No problems at all. Live and let live. Though not gay myself, I have a number of friends, gay and lesbian. Over the span of my life, they have been some of the nicest people I've been fortunate to meet.
 

Lulu Belle

Moonbat
Anyway, I'd like to know if anyone here (apart from PMD) has an issue with gays/lesbians and if so, why.


I have worked with various gay people since I have been out of Scientology.

Some of the female ones have been total bitches.

All of the men have been drama queens.

I don't give a shit who you sleep with, but please don't bring your issues to work.

I know this answer is not politically correct, but this has been my personal experience.
 

Nec_V20

Patron Meritorious
Back in the day, when I was a student, I was at one point involved in a "Gay escort service".

In the 1980's in Bonn, there was a thriving right-wing "skinhead" scene, who used to delight in kicking the shit out of gays. A group of us (I was pretty useful with my fists back then) from Römerlager got together to accompany our gay friends too and from wherever they were wanting to go.

If any skinheads wanted to make a go of it - well that was just an added bonus to the evening's entertainment.

The message got around that Bonn was perhaps not the best place to purvey their right-wing wares. It appears that they did not enjoy sucking on their own blood as much as spilling that of others - who knew?

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Whitedove

Patron Meritorious
I have worked with various gay people since I have been out of Scientology.

Some of the female ones have been total bitches.

All of the men have been drama queens.

I don't give a shit who you sleep with, but please don't bring your issues to work.

I know this answer is not politically correct, but this has been my personal experience.

Many straight women are bitches. No need to be a lesbian to be one. I have not known many lesbians in my life but plenty of straight women.
Total bitches. :omg:
I have one best friend and another close friend and thats it as I have a very tough time getting along with women. Men usually get mad, get it out than its over. Women? dear lord! Talk about sneaky. Anyway...i'm getting off the subject...to a certain degree.

As for gay men, some are drama queens. So what? Actually, those I have known and know are funny, DO understand women's feelings (try to talk to a straight guy about your feelings...:whistling: ). Ok, so maybe a bit drama queen but its funny from the way I look at it. Just part of who they are.
But not every gay men like to exhibit themselves.
And frankly, there is the 'macho' type that DO exhibit themselves. Totally straight guys. I cant stand them either. So, gay or straight, when extreme its annoying. Do you like to see a bunch of guys whistling at a woman passing by? Not me! It annoys me. Like the gay guy that likes to make sure people know he is gay. Same thing, just a different type of game.

Homophobia is definitely very alive on this board. Still some $cientology indoctrination left inside eh? :eyeroll:
 

The Oracle

Gold Meritorious Patron
This has come up before on other threads but I thought it a good idea to start one of its own.

I've seen such diverse views on this topic within CoS. I know of at least one person who went to a mission, openly gay, and was welcome.

I asked an E/O about this once and I was told any gay within Scn would "have to knock it off". When I asked why, I was told that "the second dynamic would crash if we were all like that." I asked if hetero couples in Scn were hauled into Ethics if they didn't plan to have kids. I was told no. When I asked why not, I got a shrug. (I'm used to those when I ask questions in COS:eyeroll: )

I was talking to an OT5 recently who made a remark about "goddamn fags", which surprised me a little.

Anyway, I'd like to know if anyone here (apart from PMD) has an issue with gays/lesbians and if so, why.

Also, I'd like to know if anyone thinks being gay is a barrier to case gain (unless, like Mick, you don't think there is any such thing :) ).

I can understand it being a big missed withhold in the 50s, but that hardly applies now.

Cheers

tanstaafl

For me it doesn't matter if someone is gay. What matters is how they treat me. What they do on their own time is none of my business. I had a huge crush a guy that was a client of ours when I worked in Beverly Hills. I had to go to his place to introduce myself when I took over my job. He came walking down the stairs towards me and I thought "Oh Gee, I'm in trouble."
It was one of those "love at first sight" things. Really. I didn't find out he was gay until about three months later. He was very tall, big guy and he was an Indian. A real force to be reckoned with. I mean he was dangerous.
I was flabberghasted when I found he was gay. I thought about it for a minute and decided I could put it all aside if I could seduce him. I had to spend a lot of time with him on projects and he was very competent and masculine. There was too much to respect and admire and his sexuality became a small issue against the backdrop of the big picture. He was not 1.1. I guess since I got to thinking my way about the big picture, it transferred on to him. Because after a few more months it didn't bother him that I was a woman. He was involved with Shamin Magick. I finally made him love me. But I walked in very very softly. He just woke up one day and I was in the door to his heart. Can't say much more about that now except, his being gay didn't stop me from my usual routines. I guess I don't care if a guy is gay, as long as he can make an exception for me.

T.I.
 
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Alanzo

Bardo Tulpa
Well, I studied these deviants for years and probably am the one with more experience with them (non sexual). I agree with LRH about them. Though I would say most are HUGE beings that were royally fucked somewhere on the track. Quite a sad thing to be. Sure most of you will blast me. But noone here has spent as much time with them as me, I can bet my life on this. My best friend was a fag and I watched him pass away to AIDS. I studied a lot sub-cultures like the gay/electronic music/neo-drug scene years ago and there's little theta there. I have found gays to be either women with men's bodies, lazy men who find it easier to get sex from men and your screwed up person, either hormonally or because of some trauma/uncle/cousin.

Again these are my opinions based on my observation. I am not stating that this is true.

I'm not saying that all bigots have the same lapses in logic, but it sure seems like it.

"Well, I studied these deviants for years and probably am the one with more experience with them (non sexual)."

In what way did you study "them"?

How many did you "study", exactly?

"I agree with LRH about them."

LRH, obviously, had NO experience with gay people. Or, if he did, he sure wasn't informing his writing with that experience in Science of Survival where he called them 1.1, and said that adders make better friends.

LRH was simply pushing the buttons f the current society when he slurred his fellow men like this, for his own gain.

"Though I would say most are HUGE beings that were royally fucked somewhere on the track."

How did you come to this conclusion? Nothing you have said earlier would give any clue that this conclusion has anything supporting it at all.

"Quite a sad thing to be. Sure most of you will blast me. But no one here has spent as much time with them as me, I can bet my life on this. My best friend was a fag and I watched him pass away to AIDS."

Your best friend was a "fag"?

And you watched him pass away from AIDS?

Either you have no idea what it is to be a friend, or you are lying. Could be both. Or there is WAY more here than you are letting us know about yourself. Either he was not your best friend, and you are just saying that to puff yourself up and somehow make yourself an "authority", or you have absolutely no ability to understand others, and this person was unfortunate enough to be subjected to that in the last years of his life.

Or, he was much more than a friend to you, and seeing him die of AIDS scared the shit out of you and you decided that being gay would get you killed. And so you became anti-gay and a Scientologist.

If it's the former, then maybe you need to run "find the auditor" on others and realize that other people exist in this world you share with them. And once you realize that, you need to try and figure out how they exist different from you. And then you need to grant beingness to that difference. Otherwise, you are just going to continue to make yourself, and everyone around you, miserable.

If it's the latter, then I can understand you a lot better now.

"I studied a lot sub-cultures like the gay/electronic music/neo-drug scene years ago and there's little theta there."

"Studied"? Are you an Anthropologist in a Pith Helmut?

Or - are you running from something?

"I have found gays to be either women with men's bodies, lazy men who find it easier to get sex from men and your screwed up person, either hormonally or because of some trauma/uncle/cousin."

This is an observation that a disconnected idiot would make, with absolutely no sense of humanity, compassion, or understanding of any kind. Or, someone totally disconnected from himself.

I am hetero, and have been quite lazy in my life. And at NO TIME would I ever even think of getting sex from another man. It's because I'm not gay. I would only get sex from another man if other men turned me on sexually.

That you even consider this as a possibility, that a man would have sex with another man because he was "lazy", suggests that having sex with another man is a possibility for you, and that you are turned on by other men.

You would not be the first person that Scientology made hate themselves for being gay.

"Again these are my opinions based on my observation. I am not stating that this is true."

Why do you have them as your opinions, then, if you are not willing to state that they are true?

This is probably your one saving grace - you have a suspicion that you hold opinions that are not true.

Keep pulling the string there. Maybe it will lead to you having opinions that are closer to the truth.

Because, on the subject of gay people, you've got it totally wrong in this thread.

What you rub on is completely irrelevant to "the kind of person you are".

What you rub on is an automatic response.

And if Scientology made you wrong for that, you need to dump Scientology and grant beingness to yourself, first, before you are going to be able to do it for anyone else.
 
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Free to shine

Shiny & Free
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And if Scientology made you wrong for that, you need to dump Scientology and grant beingness to yourself, first, before you are going to be able to do it for anyone else.

:thumbsup: Excellent post!
Though I doubt it will be understood.
Still maybe someone else reading might realise something. :)
 

Alanzo

Bardo Tulpa
It's a private joke - smart arse! :melodramatic: :D

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