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Never had the curiousity to try that, myself.
But wondered if there are any exes who DID try homosexuality or bi-sexuality.
Yep, I 'tried' it or mucked around with it in the '70's. In the alternative scene those days, ya just about tried or mucked around with everything and anything. It wasn't my scene though. I didn't really want to go there and without a bit of peer pressure, I probably wouldn't have.
I got into scn thinking it could "cure" me of being gay and become straight as I believed all my problems stemmed from that ruin. Whenever it was addressed in auditing I actually felt better about being gay! There was no homophobia in the mission that I was involved with (well , maybe a tiny bit). Of course I never became straight. Gayness is just another characteristic like eye color, skin color, etc. I know I was born gay. I knew I was since I was 6 or 7. It's not something one chooses or decides on. Just as I had no choice in choosing my height, eye color, etc. I guess I feel lucky in that I know 100% that I am gay rather than being all confused and caved in by it or being lured into a ex-gay ministry where they really do a number on gay people! Let's not got there!
When I went to the local org for the very first in my life to get "handling"
on the subject I sensed the ethics officer was VERY uncomfortable and scared of me, like I was going to corrupt here just by being in her space. She gave me four references to study in the courseroom none of which had anything to do with gayness or how to deal with it. This baffled me! I didn't really run into any homophobia at ASHO or AOLA. I did meet a guy while looking for a job in LA that had scathing words for Ruth Minshull's book "How to Choose People" which railed on gays being 1.1 etc just like hu66ard did. This was the first time meeting a scientologist who had an opposing view on the subject. I didn't know what to make of his comments at the time as it countered the official views of the cult.
Anytime I read about hu666ards views on gays I pretty much brushed it off and took his comments with a grain of salt, believe it or not. I thought how could anyone, especially someone as lofty as lrh really believe and say such things! LOL.
I never "practiced" homosexuality while in the cult (for nine years). I knew that it would be a grave ethics offense. I had a pc that I audited who was gay and he ended up being expelled from the church for having a boyfriend and having sex. It wasn't long after that that I escaped the cult. He was the frist person I came out to after I finally came out of the closet.
My very own FSM was very homophobic but also was very bigoted and arrogant anways. When he turned me onto dianetics and pulled my ruin I didn't give him my "gay" ruin but something else since I was way too uncomfortable to broach the subject. He's still in the cult. Serves him right!
Grundy, your welcome to have all the women because I have no interest there LOL
Btw, are there any other gay people people on this forum??
My eldest son is gay (he's teckid - on this board on occasion). I also audited gays, so it's probably from the perspective as a parent and as an auditor that I have my reality on the subject.
As an auditor and C/S I came across a fairly high percentage of gays. That was in the early 80's. At that time in Sydney Org, it wasn't a huge problem or talked about much. When the AO arrived though, the gay thing became an issue - OT eligibility and all that.
A lot of gay pc's had it as their 'ruin', so we often addressed it in session. On some occasions that I recall, that 'ruin' got handled - where the person had some this lifetime consideration that they discovered and blew. I knew these two of these people who years later were still maintaining their new found happiness as hetros.
In the many cases of auditing gays, their homosexuality wasn't 'cured', but their 'ruin' about it all was - at least until the arbitrary kicked-in in the org when ya got sent to ethics for it.
As a parent, I can wholeheartedly say that I totally get and believe you, when you say you were born gay! (and btw Zac, I'm not talking for you, I'm maybe just talking about you
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I believe Zac was born gay. It was more than obvious since he was a little boy. He didn't choose to be gay, anymore than I chose to be hetro. No amount of auditing, counselling, or whatever would or could change that.
Some of our scn 'friends' didn't like it. They considered him out-ethics for being gay and/or having sex. I tried to deal with this to no avail. My viewpoint was (and is), that they haven't and wouldn't deny themselves that sexual intimacy that all of us desire (and all that goes with it), so why the hell should they try and deny Zac of it! Just why? What was the harm for chrissake? Why beat him up for facing facts and making a life for himself?
Zac was getting indications as insidious as "go to ethics, write up your o/ws and handle it". Some of his old school friends disconnected from him, cause he was obviously 1.1
.On the odd occasion when I'd hear some SO member on the phone to him (obviously doing the same drill), I'd take the phone and rip shit out of them and get rid of them, but I couldn't protect him from the constant disapproval he continually copped from those he knew within the CofS.
As a parent, this was heart breaking. Here was our beautiful boy, very mature and responsible for his years, with the biggest heart, being treated like shit. Needless to say, we ended up getting those people out of our lives. (but that's not to say that scn group think on the matter didn't rear its ugly head on occasion).
In short order Zac (being an independant chap), created a life for himself within circles where homosexuality wasn't a problem. He's been doing very well since, however that is not to say that he has zero angst about all he went through as a kid, in scn circles, because of his sexuality.