Isene

Patron with Honors
I wrote this blog post, but the replies to the post was the most interesting.

Link: http://isene.me/2013/07/20/hope/

Blog post:

Why does the Scientology mindfuck go so deep?

I believe it is due to the hope that Scientology instills.

A person enters Scientology with a hope of achieving something. For himself or perhaps even for the world.

Scientology promises the person will attain that goal, because there is nothing Scientology cannot ultimately handle according to Hubbard.

With the help of Scientology, the person achieves some gains letting the person believe his goal can be reached with Scientology.

Some more gains are had in the direction of his goal. Hope that Scientology can ultimately deliver his goal is reinforced.

Even if Scientology has not delivered or even cannot deliver on its promise, the person still has a powerful hope that Scientology will deliver his goal, any goal.

This hope can make the person do almost anything to protect Scientology. He may lie, deceive, betray his family, steal, commit fraud or worse. Perhaps much worse.

His hope will make him blind to any fault in Scientology. His hope will make him resort to any and all mental tricks to avoid his hope being blunted. Because losing hope is perhaps the most painful of all.

Francis Bacon said:
Hope is a good breakfast, but it is a bad supper.

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Interestingly, I notice that some of the most fanatical Scientologists I have met are the one’s with little training and/or auditing. Those who have not yet understood that Scientology habitually oversells and underdelivers.
 

Idle Morgue

Gold Meritorious Patron
Good Post! I thought that too for a while - but it went deeper than that for me. I have been out for year plus but I at times reel from the mind fucking I endured in Scientology. I made some huge mistakes with my life - HUGE and they did some damage I can't repair. I could care less about the money or time - but I wanted to know what happened to my mind.

With mind control methods - there is an actual destabilization of what we deemed as "survival" and who we thought we were. Very covertly and slowly - Scientology books and courses start to debstabilize a person and puts them in a state of confusion where it is easy to manipulate them to cause further confusion.

Dianetics sort of duplicates a bit of how the mind works but there are no engrams you "get rid of" like you are emptying out a box full of hard balls.

But because most people do not understand the mind and how it works - Hubbard implants his ideas, which make sense. Yes, talking to someone who will listen is therapy. Believing that a meter can read your thoughts validates it for you - you have never been exposed to an E-Meter before and you would not suspect a CHURCH to lie.

Arnie has some great stuff on his site - Lermanet - read about the mind control methods used. If you want to know why it goes so deep - forget about Scientology and Hubbard - the answers are in studying mind control and manipulation.

Putting one in a state of confusion is most valuable trap Scientology uses to get you hooked. It's tech really does design one to be confused. It starts out simple and true - but then it starts to introduce the "loaded language" that gets you to start thinking in Scientologese.

I wish I had spent the time learning French - at least I could use it if I go to Paris. I have to throw away everything I learned in Scientology because it is absolutely no value to me anymore! Waste of money and time.
 
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I think it goes so deep because it takes over identity in people.
I currently believe that identity, not limited to the concept of AN identity
but all ideas and concepts about identity are useful to unscamble when people are trying to get that release, spiritual freedom, peace, whatever that they try to find in spiritual paths and scams.

Scientology immediately confers AN identity, Thetan, and then takes away other identities, such as Human, Body, etc. Bank and Case are given along with PC, Pre Ot as parts of identity. Then there is Clear, Grade One Release etc. Public, Staff. SO Member, on and on and LRH CONTROLS THEM ALL through the Scientologist aspect of identity.

These identities are invested with profound hopes, deep psychological yearnings. = You get your soul taken off you and brainwashed.

I believe that there is no such thing as the usual common day "person" that most people think they are anyway. It is a thought-construct with many thought patterns, beliefs etc, that help to support it.

This is why I am a little curious about IDENICS, although I have never 'done' it.

Actually I am now thinking it might be worthwhile just to write down every identity conferred, forced on me as a scientologist. There could be a lot!! Just as a list of nouns. And possibly everything LRH or scientologists denied as identities. Am I sounding too much like a Koolaid improvement specialist? :omg: Or drifting into formulaic thinking? :omg:
 

Mojo

Silver Meritorious Patron
I wrote this blog post, but the replies to the post was the most interesting.

Link: http://isene.me/2013/07/20/hope/

Blog post:

That's quite beautifully spoken Isene. Thank you for it. And at the risk of detracting from that beauty of it (like a natural storm detracting from a natural calm sea, each having their moment) I submit that on the other side of that 'hope' you speak of, there is 'fear'. And it is that aspect/reality of fear that drives Scientologist's to their fundamental unconscious acts of insanity. Just as it did and was of L. Ron Hubbard. Of course Hubbard's fans, admirers and otherwise lovers will be taken back not by the major point here, that fear drives Scientologist's to their ultimate insanity, but the very idea that L. Ron Hubbard himself was the most frightened man of all, will drive them crazy. Evidenced not only by how he lived (I am Source) but clearly how he died (I am Not Source). Alone. Decrepit, Paranoid and Afraid. Can you see the paradox? Had Ron continued to believe himself to be Source, in his final agonizing days, he would have added great insult to his injury. And he was suffering enough to do without that. And he knew it.

Everyone has hope. So to speak. Or at least the potentiality for the experience of it. And ditto fear. The difference I see is Scientologist's seem to (by and large) have that unique psychological make-up wherein fear is supplanted with a certainty (courtesy and compliments of Ron). Which 'hope' they use to make psychological-invisible, all of their hidden questions, concerns and unconfronted fears. Which is the universal Scientology experience, experienced of course by Ron in the end.

And which is the common core of all 'religion'. Substituting the discomfort of fear of the unknown with a warm fuzzy 'Knowing' of the 'Truth' of all of Creation throughout all of Time. The primary difference being none can compare to that dedicated glare in the physical eye of a tone-40 Scientologist where the Eternity of All of Creation is concerned. Including YOURS! And mine! And they 'Know it'! Get it? Jeesh.Thanks Ron (thanks alot).

lol. (....& sigh...)

mojo
 

Gib

Crusader
Good Post! I thought that too for a while - but it went deeper than that for me. I have been out for year plus but I at times reel from the mind fucking I endured in Scientology. I made some huge mistakes with my life - HUGE and they did some damage I can't repair. I could care less about the money or time - but I wanted to know what happened to my mind.

With mind control methods - there is an actual destabilization of what we deemed as "survival" and who we thought we were. Very covertly and slowly - Scientology books and courses start to debstabilize a person and puts them in a state of confusion where it is easy to manipulate them to cause further confusion.

Dianetics sort of duplicates a bit of how the mind works but there are no engrams you "get rid of" like you are emptying out a box full of hard balls.

But because most people do not understand the mind and how it works - Hubbard implants his ideas, which make sense. Yes, talking to someone who will listen is therapy. Believing that a meter can read your thoughts validates it for you - you have never been exposed to an E-Meter before and you would not suspect a CHURCH to lie.

Arnie has some great stuff on his site - Lermanet - read about the mind control methods used. If you want to know why it goes so deep - forget about Scientology and Hubbard - the answers are in studying mind control and manipulation.

Putting one in a state of confusion is most valuable trap Scientology uses to get you hooked. It's tech really does design one to be confused. It starts out simple and true - but then it starts to introduce the "loaded language" that gets you to start thinking in Scientologese.

I wish I had spent the time learning French - at least I could use it if I go to Paris. I have to throw away everything I learned in Scientology because it is absolutely no value to me anymore! Waste of money and time.

that last round of Objectives I did, a 2 years ago, based on DM's eval that we were not in PT,

yah, my only HOPE was that this might end one day,

doing endless touching the stupid walls and spotting things,

OMG. What a waste of a years long of weekends. I should have slapped myself silly to wake up from those stupid god damn drills. That would have popped me into PT faster.

But I guess I needed somebodies OK to be in PT. :duh:
 

dchoiceisalwaysrs

Gold Meritorious Patron
I think both the first two posts on this thread certainly at least approach some of the ingredients for mind control and manipulation.

I am still trying to hone it down.

I suggest that when the mind is focused on a goal/hope/confusion and is attempting to solve it, the mind fails to notice and evaluate (such as a computer anti-virus would realtime scan for probable frauds/malware in other data) from its sensory inputs whether those are emotional, physical, or suggestions and can thus become infected/hijacked by just about any con.

I even see this as a part of how scientology is infiltrating community and social and humanitarian groups which are so focused and 'hopeful' of achieving their goals/solving a particular problem that the offer by scientology to help is injecting scientology participants as trojans.

The internet enables a growing data base, of the damage scientology does and how it does it, and permits more expansive evaluation of these trojans and empties the 'ideal trojan morgues' of its infected lines of code known as ronbots.

Well maybe that needs a little more work but I think it comes close to the program of mind control
 

Queenmab321

Patron Meritorious
Religion, n. A daughter of Hope and Fear, explaining to Ignorance the nature of the Unknowable.

from The Devil's Dictionary, Ambrose Bierce
 

LongTimeGone

Silver Meritorious Patron
I wrote this blog post, but the replies to the post was the most interesting.

Link: http://isene.me/2013/07/20/hope/

Why does the Scientology mindfuck go so deep?

I believe it is due to the hope that Scientology instills.

A person enters Scientology with a hope of achieving something. For himself or perhaps even for the world.

Scientology promises the person will attain that goal, because there is nothing Scientology cannot ultimately handle according to Hubbard.

With the help of Scientology, the person achieves some gains letting the person believe his goal can be reached with Scientology.

Some more gains are had in the direction of his goal. Hope that Scientology can ultimately deliver his goal is reinforced.

Even if Scientology has not delivered or even cannot deliver on its promise, the person still has a powerful hope that Scientology will deliver his goal, any goal.

This hope can make the person do almost anything to protect Scientology. He may lie, deceive, betray his family, steal, commit fraud or worse. Perhaps much worse.

His hope will make him blind to any fault in Scientology. His hope will make him resort to any and all mental tricks to avoid his hope being blunted. Because losing hope is perhaps the most painful of all.


Blog post:


Interesting! Perhaps attempting to get to OTIX creates the ultimate GPM.

LTG
 
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Idle Morgue

Gold Meritorious Patron
That's quite beautifully spoken Isene. Thank you for it. And at the risk of detracting from that beauty of it (like a natural storm detracting from a natural calm sea, each having their moment) I submit that on the other side of that 'hope' you speak of, there is 'fear'. And it is that aspect/reality of fear that drives Scientologist's to their fundamental unconscious acts of insanity. Just as it did and was of L. Ron Hubbard. Of course Hubbard's fans, admirers and otherwise lovers will be taken back not by the major point here, that fear drives Scientologist's to their ultimate insanity, but the very idea that L. Ron Hubbard himself was the most frightened man of all, will drive them crazy. Evidenced not only by how he lived (I am Source) but clearly how he died (I am Not Source). Alone. Decrepit, Paranoid and Afraid. Can you see the paradox? Had Ron continued to believe himself to be Source, in his final agonizing days, he would have added great insult to his injury. And he was suffering enough to do without that. And he knew it.

Everyone has hope. So to speak. Or at least the potentiality for the experience of it. And ditto fear. The difference I see is Scientologist's seem to (by and large) have that unique psychological make-up wherein fear is supplanted with a certainty (courtesy and compliments of Ron). Which 'hope' they use to make psychological-invisible, all of their hidden questions, concerns and unconfronted fears. Which is the universal Scientology experience, experienced of course by Ron in the end.

And which is the common core of all 'religion'. Substituting the discomfort of fear of the unknown with a warm fuzzy 'Knowing' of the 'Truth' of all of Creation throughout all of Time. The primary difference being none can compare to that dedicated glare in the physical eye of a tone-40 Scientologist where the Eternity of All of Creation is concerned. Including YOURS! And mine! And they 'Know it'! Get it? Jeesh.Thanks Ron (thanks alot).

lol. (....& sigh...)

mojo

That is so true!

Scientology - creates fear and doubt about who you are and your purpose. The books start to destabilize one from reality.
Scientology - sells you an illusion that it will help you find yourself, find the truth about your spiritual existence and the universe and that they are the most ethical group that really helps humanity. You get to be part of it.
Scientology - sells you a method to rid yourself of fear and doubt and help you achieve YOUR goals. The reality is - it is changing your views to match the views of a madman. It is done slowly and very methodically to maintain absolute retention rate in the group.
Scientology - gets you alone and isolated
Scientology - gets you broke and vulnerable
Scientology - gets your family members in with deceptive promises and legally binding contract one is not to question.
Scientology uses deception, coercion, blackmail, extortion to accomplish this.

There is the Bridge to Total Spiritual Freedom ^^!! The truth revealed.
 
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