How Dangerous is New OTVII (Solo NOTs)

[lkwdblds]

Lofty piece of writing!!

This will be terse:

The assumption is this: MEST solidifies to the degree it is not granted life.

For some beings that can be an observation.

For others it can be an axiom.

It does not matter how it is positioned in the mind that the being is using.

A corollary is: A spiritual being solidifies to the degree it is not granted life.

Life includes the exercise of free will. Free will might be the one thing that separates us all.

BTs and clusters in scio lingo have solidified on or around the body. They are perceived as mass, pressure, somatic, etc. BTs and clusters are granted life by acknowledgment of their existence, establishing a line of 2-way communication, and further granting them life just as any pc is or should be granted life and free will.

That's all there is to it.

Really.

P.S.: OT-3, 5, 7... this is about operating as a being. Operating = doing stuff; making things happen. These procedures are not about Nirvana, although that attainment sometimes happens by default.

Ted - This is an extremely well written and summarized piece of tech. I had a question about the line above which I underlined, it concerns practical application of the overall tech which you are expressing. "Corollary - A spititual being solidifies to the degree it is not granted life". This is readily apparent in the high death rate of people who retire from jobs when they get older and just sit around watching TV and looking at the 4 walls. Their life expectancy is only a small fraction of that of a person who never retires or retires and takes up other interests or hobbies.

Here is my practical question regarding your corollary. I brought a man I met in Europe last summer into my business. We worked together 6 months. He took me for $9,700 by not paying his lumber bill and it fell upon me to pay it. After that, he straightened up, or so it appeared and we worked a means of repayment which he was agreeing to. Business started to slow down even more and he approached me and told me, he needed a loan for $5,000 more to make his car, truck phone and insurance payments. I refused him so he said he would pull up stakes on go live in Colorado with a close friend he has there and work for him. I said okay. Instead of leaving town, he remained and has visited all of my customers, telling them he is now my competitor and offering to do work for them at a much lower rate than I am charging them. All this was done behind my back while still being cordial to me and promising to begin repayment of the $9,700 debt when the economy improves. Finally last week I found out he was not in Colorado but still in town visitng all my customers, telling them he is a lower cost alternative to me.

I got an Ethics handling from an ESMB Class VIII auditor who is a friend of mine and I had large wins. My out Ethics in the cycle was acurately spotted and seeing it helped me immensely. The handling for me looked at how I would handle him and we came to the conclusion that he was too far gone, casewise, to be hanled and that I should just disconnect from him and end the cycle. I implemented this program 4 days ago and it is working well.

Now I see the corollary which you wrote and really the only power he has in Southern California is through me. Everyone he knows, he met through me, all monies which he earned was through me. I am totalling disconnecting from him and have notified all my friends who I had introduced him to of what happened and they all say they will no longer be friends with him. In essence, this already extremely unethical being is going to be left to his own devices here in Southern California at the age of 49, completely unconnected to any source of theta. If I thought that doing a handling had any chance to help him, I would get back in comm and do a handling but I honestly feel that he is too far gone to be helped. The actions he took against me were violations of the laws of the land as well as every moral code I know and yet he does not even think that he has done anything wrong. He justifies it by saying when times are tough, one must look out for his own survival. All options included theft and fraud are on the table for him, he told me that himself at one of our last meetings.

Does Ted or anyone have any comments. This is a practical application of the tech being discussed. It is good to have some concrete examples to deal with, rather than always just philosphize on a theoretical basis. At least that is how I see it.
Lakey

 

[Vinaire]

FREE WHEELING

(1) Free wheel means that the pc goes on automatic continuous run of the R6 implant. He can’t sleep for days and the body supposedly dies.
(2) Inc 1 is about 4 quadrillion years ago. All thetans in the Universe have Inc. 1.
(3) Inc 2 is 75 million years ago. All thetans on this planet and 21 nearby stars also have Inc 2.
(4) Inc 2 is made up of the Volcano bit and the R6 implant.
(5) R6 implant is 36 days worth of motion pictures - god devil, space opera, trains, cars, helicopters, crashes, stage etc.
(6) All CC and OTII materials are in the R6 implant.
(7) If Inc 2 (volcano bit) is run but the Inc I is not run on same thetan, R6 begins to run off on automatic (free wheel).
(8) This mistake occurs when you run Inc 2 on one BT and Inc 1 on another BT, thinking it is the same one.
(9) The cycle is incomplete on the first BT. One must run Inc 1 on the first BT to stop freewheeling.

QUESTIONS:
(1) How can one fail to differentiate between two body thetans?
(2) Isn’t this a weakness in the theory?
(3) Will this happen if one is looking without thinking?


The following explanation from LRH seem to have the outpoint of ALTERED SEQUENCE.

“The way you can run Inc I out of one thetan and Inc II out of another is rather easy. One fails to notice the first one blew on having Inc I run and runs Inc 2 on another.”

Problem occurs when one jumps BTs after running Inc 2 on the first one and failing to run Inc 1. If one fails to notice that the first one blew then one would be running Inc 1 on the second one. If the first one blew then it didn’t need Inc 1 to be run, and running Inc 1 on the second one by itself may not cause free wheeling according to the theory. Does any one else notice this outpoint?

.

 

[nw2394]

(1) Free wheel means that the pc goes on automatic continuous run of the R6 implant. He can’t sleep for days and the body supposedly dies.
(2) Inc 1 is about 4 quadrillion years ago. All thetans in the Universe have Inc. 1.
(3) Inc 2 is 75 million years ago. All thetans on this planet and 21 nearby stars also have Inc 2.
(4) Inc 2 is made up of the Volcano bit and the R6 implant.
(5) R6 implant is 36 days worth of motion pictures - god devil, space opera, trains, cars, helicopters, crashes, stage etc.
(6) All CC and OTII materials are in the R6 implant.
(7) If Inc 2 (volcano bit) is run but the Inc I is not run on same thetan, R6 begins to run off on automatic (free wheel).
(8) This mistake occurs when you run Inc 2 on one BT and Inc 1 on another BT, thinking it is the same one.
(9) The cycle is incomplete on the first BT. One must run Inc 1 on the first BT to stop freewheeling.

QUESTIONS:
(1) How can one fail to differentiate between two body thetans?
(2) Isn’t this a weakness in the theory?
(3) Will this happen if one is looking without thinking?

You really try people's patience. How many times have you got to be told to do rather than think!!! Grr.

Failing to differentiate has never been a problem for me. Run one - end of session. Come back - maybe just a few minutes later and start a new session. It will be 99.9% of the time a different being - if it isn't it doesn't matter coz it just means you didn't handle all the last time and they will tell you.

The following explanation from LRH seem to have the outpoint of ALTERED SEQUENCE.

“The way you can run Inc I out of one thetan and Inc II out of another is rather easy. One fails to notice the first one blew on having Inc I run and runs Inc 2 on another.”

I always ran it in backward time order = Inc 2 first. A lot were handled just with that - never even needed to think about Inc 1. If Inc 2 didn't handle I'd try to get them to get Inc 1 - but the vast majority couldn't find anything that approximated it. So I then checked for either earlier beginning on Inc 2 or some other incident.

Always finished one being per one session - or one being per part of a session if I could. If I had to look something up to get a bogged session handled I would come back and re-handle straightaway.

If this is in fact what you need to be running, then just flaming well run it.

Nick

 

[Vinaire]

How does on locate body thetans on OT III?

LRH says:
“Locate by meter read or an area of pressure, body thetan or group (cluster).”.

And then
“He does not scan through anything in order to find body thetans.”

How does one locate a body thetan by meter read if one is not looking over (scanning) the body?

.

 

[Vinaire]

You really try people's patience. How many times have you got to be told to do rather than think!!! Grr.

..

I am checking out the instructions. They seem to be not very clear.

W/Cing when forced on unclear instructions will create dub-in.

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[nw2394]

I am checking out the instructions. They seem to be not very clear.

W/Cing when forced on unclear instructions will create dub-in.

.

Yeah - maybe - taking it too literally will certainly create dub-in. Just run what comes up for you.

Nick

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

Ted - This is an extremely well written and summarized piece of tech. I had a question about the line above which I underlined, it concerns practical application of the overall tech which you are expressing. "Corollary - A spititual being solidifies to the degree it is not granted life". This is readily apparent in the high death rate of people who retire from jobs when they get older and just sit around watching TV and looking at the 4 walls. Their life expectancy is only a small fraction of that of a person who never retires or retires and takes up other interests or hobbies.

Here is my practical question regarding your corollary. I brought a man I met in Europe last summer into my business. We worked together 6 months. He took me for $9,700 by not paying his lumber bill and it fell upon me to pay it. After that, he straightened up, or so it appeared and we worked a means of repayment which he was agreeing to. Business started to slow down even more and he approached me and told me, he needed a loan for $5,000 more to make his car, truck phone and insurance payments. I refused him so he said he would pull up stakes on go live in Colorado with a close friend he has there and work for him. I said okay. Instead of leaving town, he remained and has visited all of my customers, telling them he is now my competitor and offering to do work for them at a much lower rate than I am charging them. All this was done behind my back while still being cordial to me and promising to begin repayment of the $9,700 debt when the economy improves. Finally last week I found out he was not in Colorado but still in town visitng all my customers, telling them he is a lower cost alternative to me.

I got an Ethics handling from an ESMB Class VIII auditor who is a friend of mine and I had large wins. My out Ethics in the cycle was acurately spotted and seeing it helped me immensely. The handling for me looked at how I would handle him and we came to the conclusion that he was too far gone, casewise, to be hanled and that I should just disconnect from him and end the cycle. I implemented this program 4 days ago and it is working well.

Now I see the corollary which you wrote and really the only power he has in Southern California is through me. Everyone he knows, he met through me, all monies which he earned was through me. I am totalling disconnecting from him and have notified all my friends who I had introduced him to of what happened and they all say they will no longer be friends with him. In essence, this already extremely unethical being is going to be left to his own devices here in Southern California at the age of 49, completely unconnected to any source of theta. If I thought that doing a handling had any chance to help him, I would get back in comm and do a handling but I honestly feel that he is too far gone to be helped. The actions he took against me were violations of the laws of the land as well as every moral code I know and yet he does not even think that he has done anything wrong. He justifies it by saying when times are tough, one must look out for his own survival. All options included theft and fraud are on the table for him, he told me that himself at one of our last meetings.

Does Ted or anyone have any comments. This is a practical application of the tech being discussed. It is good to have some concrete examples to deal with, rather than always just philosphize on a theoretical basis. At least that is how I see it.
Lakey

Before he took you for money. Before you remained connected to him,

You and our teammates made a connection to him and his teammates. Your teammates (in a perfect world) should have sized up his game and tone level. You could have been advised by your teammates of his true persona.

Further, if you had studied Science of Survival, you might have been able to obnose his true tone level. He wasn't working positively to create a relationship. He was a "black hole" into taking not exchanging.

being tech trained, and having your teammates savvy to the ways of the world and individuals, in particular, saves you some of these.

Further: experience is what you get, when you don't get what you intended.

Learning, while playing the game, is an ongoing and rewarding part of life.

if we knew everything, it would be a tremendous bore -- no randomity.

Be glad that you don't know everything. Rejoice when life throws you a curve ball or spitter.

May I add, that in your learning how to handle this, you might really inspect how much you paid your ESMB colleague for the advice / handling. And how much you have sent Emma and ESMB in contributions for making and MAINTAINING the connection locale (ESMB) on the net. If you aren't in fair exchange, the scenario can flip again. that is just the way it works.

 

[Ted]

Ted - This is an extremely well written and summarized piece of tech. I had a question about the line above which I underlined, it concerns practical application of the overall tech which you are expressing. "Corollary - A spititual being solidifies to the degree it is not granted life". This is readily apparent in the high death rate of people who retire from jobs when they get older and just sit around watching TV and looking at the 4 walls. Their life expectancy is only a small fraction of that of a person who never retires or retires and takes up other interests or hobbies.

Here is my practical question regarding your corollary. I brought a man I met in Europe last summer into my business. We worked together 6 months. He took me for $9,700 by not paying his lumber bill and it fell upon me to pay it. After that, he straightened up, or so it appeared and we worked a means of repayment which he was agreeing to. Business started to slow down even more and he approached me and told me, he needed a loan for $5,000 more to make his car, truck phone and insurance payments. I refused him so he said he would pull up stakes on go live in Colorado with a close friend he has there and work for him. I said okay. Instead of leaving town, he remained and has visited all of my customers, telling them he is now my competitor and offering to do work for them at a much lower rate than I am charging them. All this was done behind my back while still being cordial to me and promising to begin repayment of the $9,700 debt when the economy improves. Finally last week I found out he was not in Colorado but still in town visitng all my customers, telling them he is a lower cost alternative to me.

I got an Ethics handling from an ESMB Class VIII auditor who is a friend of mine and I had large wins. My out Ethics in the cycle was acurately spotted and seeing it helped me immensely. The handling for me looked at how I would handle him and we came to the conclusion that he was too far gone, casewise, to be hanled and that I should just disconnect from him and end the cycle. I implemented this program 4 days ago and it is working well.

Now I see the corollary which you wrote and really the only power he has in Southern California is through me. Everyone he knows, he met through me, all monies which he earned was through me. I am totalling disconnecting from him and have notified all my friends who I had introduced him to of what happened and they all say they will no longer be friends with him. In essence, this already extremely unethical being is going to be left to his own devices here in Southern California at the age of 49, completely unconnected to any source of theta. If I thought that doing a handling had any chance to help him, I would get back in comm and do a handling but I honestly feel that he is too far gone to be helped. The actions he took against me were violations of the laws of the land as well as every moral code I know and yet he does not even think that he has done anything wrong. He justifies it by saying when times are tough, one must look out for his own survival. All options included theft and fraud are on the table for him, he told me that himself at one of our last meetings.

Does Ted or anyone have any comments. This is a practical application of the tech being discussed. It is good to have some concrete examples to deal with, rather than always just philosphize on a theoretical basis. At least that is how I see it.
Lakey

A couple of thoughts:

If you have discovered and addressed how you enabled this situation I would recommend moving on. Put your attention on making that $9700 back (and more) from new business. To try to get payback from this fellow that you describe will be just a theta drain. If you have a signed, legal agreement, turn it over to collections whose job it is to collect on bad debt. You might get a little something back, but that will be more than nothing, and you won't have to think about it during the collection process.

A service fac is as insidious as it pretends to align with survival. If the above in red is a serfac, you have not a snowball's chance in hell righting this matter. The being is on his way out. As LRH has written, this fellow's sanity is circling the drain as we speak.

Money is just one investment possibility. There are also investments in time, energy, effort, and good will to name a few. I would recommend spending your resources where you will realize an acceptable ROI (Return On Investment). And, know when to walk away from bad investments.

P.S.: I would give the same advice to anyone thinking of going on staff or in the SO.

 

[Vinaire]

Is it possible that a person, who has failed to handle people in real life, may find some satisfaction in handling BTs. It may be like trying to do the same thing at a lesser gradient (mentally rather than actually in the physical universe). It may give one some practice and satisfaction.

The drawback here could be that one slides farther and farther away from reality. Then at some point he may start to handle people around him the way he handles his BTs. He may start to look at people who are difficult to handle as being similar to “difficult BTs” or “psychotic BTs.”

Since the person is not tracking with reality, his handling of difficult people in life may become very childish and immature.

I am just looking at how some of the OTs on this board have been handling me.

.

 

[20000000]

Good comment Ted.

 

[20000000]

Is it possible that a person, who has failed to handle people in real life, may find some satisfaction in handling BTs. It may be like trying to do the same thing at a lesser gradient (mentally rather than actually in the physical universe). It may give one some practice and satisfaction.

The drawback here could be that one slides farther and farther away from reality. Then at some point he may start to handle people around him the way he handles his BTs. He may start to look at people who are difficult to handle as being similar to “difficult BTs” or “psychotic BTs.”

Since the person is not tracking with reality, his handling of difficult people in life may become very childish and immature.

I am just looking at how some of the OTs on this board have been handling me.

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[FoTi]

Is it possible that a person, who has failed to handle people in real life, may find some satisfaction in handling BTs. It may be like trying to do the same thing at a lesser gradient (mentally rather than actually in the physical universe). It may give one some practice and satisfaction.

The drawback here could be that one slides farther and farther away from reality. Then at some point he may start to handle people around him the way he handles his BTs. He may start to look at people who are difficult to handle as being similar to “difficult BTs” or “psychotic BTs.”

Since the person is not tracking with reality, his handling of difficult people in life may become very childish and immature.

I am just looking at how some of the OTs on this board have been handling me.

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Vinaire, since you don't like the way some of the people on this board have been handling you, what suggestions might you have on how one should handle a "devil's advocate"?

 

[Vinaire]

Vinaire, since you don't like the way some of the people on this board have been handling you, what suggestions might you have on how one should handle a "devil's advocate"?

They should redo their OT levels or, better, do Buddhism and learn to be "mindful."

.

 

[RogerB]

The Problem My Dear Vin . . . . .

How does on locate body thetans on OT III?

LRH says:
“Locate by meter read or an area of pressure, body thetan or group (cluster).”.

And then
“He does not scan through anything in order to find body thetans.”

How does one locate a body thetan by meter read if one is not looking over (scanning) the body?

.

The problem my Dear Vin, is not that the instructions are unclear . . . . you changed the words he used. You actually changed what he actually wrote!

Now where did I see that before

RogerB

 

[RogerB]

Better . . .

Better still Lakey, is if you had learned the skills of being able to perceive the intentions of spiritual Beings . . . . even when some folks try to hide them, the fact that they are "hidden" is a give-away!

My little dissertation on OT3-NOTs and spiritual connections is leading up to the application of that ability.

Hell, bad shit even shows on folks faces!

Rog

Before he took you for money. Before you remained connected to him,

You and our teammates made a connection to him and his teammates. Your teammates (in a perfect world) should have sized up his game and tone level. You could have been advised by your teammates of his true persona.

Further, if you had studied Science of Survival, you might have been able to obnose his true tone level. He wasn't working positively to create a relationship. He was a "black hole" into taking not exchanging.

being tech trained, and having your teammates savvy to the ways of the world and individuals, in particular, saves you some of these.

Further: experience is what you get, when you don't get what you intended.

Learning, while playing the game, is an ongoing and rewarding part of life.

if we knew everything, it would be a tremendous bore -- no randomity.

Be glad that you don't know everything. Rejoice when life throws you a curve ball or spitter.

May I add, that in your learning how to handle this, you might really inspect how much you paid your ESMB colleague for the advice / handling. And how much you have sent Emma and ESMB in contributions for making and MAINTAINING the connection locale (ESMB) on the net. If you aren't in fair exchange, the scenario can flip again. that is just the way it works.

 

[Vinaire]

I am now going back to the thread "EFFORT TO SIMPLIFY." There I am going to write my experiences on OT III as I do the essence of this OT Level. I am going to do OT III using the KHTK approach.

You guys have a nice time on this thread now.

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[Mark A. Baker]

I am now going back to the thread "EFFORT TO SIMPLIFY." There I am going to write my experiences on OT III as I do the essence of this OT Level. I am going to do OT III using the KHTK approach.

You guys have a nice time on this thread now.

.

Don't forget your football.


Mark A. Baker

 

[Vinaire]

Don't forget your football.


Mark A. Baker

Well, I don't need to take Roger back with me. I found him here, and I'll leave him here. You all can play with him.

.

 

[lkwdblds]

Thanks a lot Carmelo.

Before he took you for money. Before you remained connected to him,

You and our teammates made a connection to him and his teammates. Your teammates (in a perfect world) should have sized up his game and tone level. You could have been advised by your teammates of his true persona.

Further, if you had studied Science of Survival, you might have been able to obnose his true tone level. He wasn't working positively to create a relationship. He was a "black hole" into taking not exchanging.

being tech trained, and having your teammates savvy to the ways of the world and individuals, in particular, saves you some of these.

Further: experience is what you get, when you don't get what you intended.

Learning, while playing the game, is an ongoing and rewarding part of life.

if we knew everything, it would be a tremendous bore -- no randomity.

Be glad that you don't know everything. Rejoice when life throws you a curve ball or spitter.

May I add, that in your learning how to handle this, you might really inspect how much you paid your ESMB colleague for the advice / handling. And how much you have sent Emma and ESMB in contributions for making and MAINTAINING the connection locale (ESMB) on the net. If you aren't in fair exchange, the scenario can flip again. that is just the way it works.

I consider my ESMB colleague a friend and we seem to be keeping our exchange in. She has sought out my opinion twice so far about issues she had which were going on and I have helped her as best I can. Each time I charged her a cup of coffee at Starbucks and she paid up. For her handling on me, I bought her a lunch, then coffee and cake later on. After I helped on her cycle, she told me we were even. Being out exchange has never been a problem with me, I try to exchange in abundance. I am not in a postition to flow money to Emma at this time so do the best I can in other ways. I have had PM's from two or three people who read my stories and are seeking advice and help and I usually do whatever it takes to help them, be it a phone call, lasting up to 1 1/2 hours or directing their attention to a book or inviting them to our coffee Klatch or anything to be of service. With Emma, I have thought about ways to flow power to her. Quality writing, done in an entertaining fashion is what I am trying to achieve so as to enhance ESMB. Getting more active socially and in so doing pushing to promote the causes Emma is behind is also part of my agenda. If construction takes off again in a new cycle, I will flow some money to help support Emma as well. Well, Ted and you both wrote posts answering my question so I need to save something for a post to thank Ted. I have more to say so if you want to hear it, read my reply to Ted.
Lakey

Thanks a lot for the kind thoughts and sound advice. I am not going to lose the entire $9,700 because I got him to do about $1,500 of work at no charge about a month ago, so it is down to $8,200 and I was going to pay him $16,000 to do the drywall phase of the work and I can get it done for only $10,500 using the same people he was going to use, so I will pick up about $5,500 there so my net loss is going to be $2,700 - maybe just call it $3,000.

Lakey

 

[lkwdblds]

Ted - I appreciate your quality reply!

A couple of thoughts:

If you have discovered and addressed how you enabled this situation I would recommend moving on. Put your attention on making that $9700 back (and more) from new business. To try to get payback from this fellow that you describe will be just a theta drain. If you have a signed, legal agreement, turn it over to collections whose job it is to collect on bad debt. You might get a little something back, but that will be more than nothing, and you won't have to think about it during the collection process.

Ted, his leaving has enabled me to recover much of it, my total loss will be about $3,000. I give the details in my post to Carmelo. Thanks about the advice about moving on, I could see the theta drain you mention.

A service fac is as insidious as it pretends to align with survival. If the above in red is a serfac, you have not a snowball's chance in hell righting this matter. The being is on his way out. As LRH has written, this fellow's sanity is circling the drain as we speak.

Well stated, really an excellent simile or metaphor. It is unfortunate but true.

Money is just one investment possibility. There are also investments in time, energy, effort, and good will to name a few. I would recommend spending your resources where you will realize an acceptable ROI (Return On Investment). And, know when to walk away from bad investments.

I had similar thoughts, I appreciate your recommendation very much!!

P.S.: I would give the same advice to anyone thinking of going on staff or in the SO.

I just wanted to say about my ability to perceive and spot "wack jobs" and psychotics such as this fellow I do see things, as does my spiritual team but I always give the person the benefit of the doubt. This type of thing is a repeating cycle with me over and over. My colleague, who did the ethics cycle on me got me to look at two conditions below Treason, the first of which is "stupitdity" which is a not know of time, place, form and event. It is hard to confront but I was in stupidity with this guy. I knew I was giving him too long of a leash and too much inside information about my business and yet I did it anyway. My ethics couselor asked me why and I saw the reason why. Here is what I said, "Other people have been doing this to me over and over but I keep letting it happen." She said, "Why are you doing that?" I had a comm lag, maybe 3 to 4 seconds, then my mouth started moving and what came out was incredible. Basically I felt I owed each new guy who enters my life a fresh new start and must assume he is honest and not out to cheat me." Very gently she asked, "Do you think that is good policy to live your life by, I hesitated perhaps a second, and said, "That policy is insane. I have been insane using it all my life over and over, always expecting a different result. Why didn't I see this before? I have been so stupid, there is really no other word that better describes me." I noticed that the mass had lifted off of me and I was starting to feel happy again and in control of myself and able to face the situation I was in. We ended off there. "It is not easy to confront being stupid, and very painful to admit it to yourself. I got through that and am the better for it.

In summary, my perceptics were not that bad, I could see this guy could be volatile and snap and my spiritual team had him figured out better than I did. My 27 year old Son spotted him perfectly the first day but I refused to listen and paid a big price for this blunder. He is going to go out the bottom from here on out and my best bet is to cut my losses. Thank you Ted for your help. Lakey